Farmers sue Monsanto over alleged Roundup cancer link

a reply to: LDragonFire
I think the outcome of their case will depend upon the strength of their attorney's arguments.

I don't think they have much of a case for the reasons given by the OP.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99

Bayer is only tapping into the seed market, they are a pharmaceutical corporation.

Actually...

With an international market share of 20 percent Bayer Cropscience, a wholly-owned subsidiary of Bayer AG, is the second largest pesticide producer in the world (after Syngenta). For seeds the company is in seventh place with a market share of 3 percent. The concentration process in the agricultural market has been ongoing for decades.

aseed.net...

For seeds the company is in seventh place with a market share of 3 percent

Your own quote, I moved the bold accordingly. I said SEEDS, not pesticides

a reply to: Vector99

Your own quote, I moved the bold accordingly. I said SEEDS, not pesticides

Um. Are pesticides pharmaceuticals?

Bayer is only tapping into the seed market, they are a pharmaceutical corporation.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: intergalactic fire
Actually, they are competitors.

Actually, everyone seems to be hopping into bed with each other. What's stopping Monsanto from doing the same? For the sake of this thread, they're being singled out and could end up having to explain the rise of specific cancer types.

www.counterpunch.org...
www.motherjones.com...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99

Your own quote, I moved the bold accordingly. I said SEEDS, not pesticides

Um. Are pesticides pharmaceuticals?

Bayer is only tapping into the seed market, they are a pharmaceutical corporation.

Are pesticides no longer chemicals?

a reply to: Vector99
Is glyphosate a pharmaceutical?
en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Phage

Agriculturally? Yep. It's a pharmaceutical.

a reply to: Vector99

pfft.

a reply to: eisegesis

What's stopping Monsanto from doing the same?

The courts. Hopefully.
Maybe too hopefully.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99

pfft.

Hey, you know damn well it's true.

They are looking into the whole mixing into seed tech. Not there yet, but will be soon.

a reply to: Vector99

Hey, you know damn well it's true.

You know damned well that Bayer is not exclusively a pharmaceutical company.
At least, you should.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99

Hey, you know damn well it's true.

You know damned well that Bayer is not exclusively a pharmaceutical company.
At least, you should.

Well duh, but that is the main part of their corporation currently.

a reply to: Vector99
So this is, you admit, bull#:

Bayer is only tapping into the seed market, they are a pharmaceutical corporation.

Second global pesticide manufacturer would seem to indicate a deep involvement in the industry rather than a sideline.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99
So this is, you admit, bull#:

Bayer is only tapping into the seed market, they are a pharmaceutical corporation.

Second global pesticide manufacturer would seem to indicate a deep involvement in the industry rather than a sideline.

They are a pharmaceutical company that deals in chemicals in general.

They also are apparently only 3% of the global seed market according to your link.

I would call that just tapping into the market personally.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Phage

Bayer is only tapping into the seed market, they are a pharmaceutical corporation. That being said, it doesn't surprise me they are tapping the GMO industry.

Remember, from the start I only said seeds. Nothing else.

a reply to: Vector99

They are a pharmaceutical company that deals in chemicals in general.

Waffle

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: Vector99

They are a pharmaceutical company that deals in chemicals in general.

Waffle

Biscuits and gravy?

Pharmaceuticals are chemically based compounds right?

a reply to: Vector99

Yes.
So is sodium cyanide a chemical compound. That does not make it a pharmaceutical.
en.wikipedia.org...

a reply to: Phage

So you choose one compound that will never be used in pharmaceuticals for obvious reasons, link me to wiki, and that's it? I'm disappointed.

If it wasn't lethally toxic, the pharmaceutical industry would use it.

a reply to: Vector99
I know the OP is about Monsanto, but a bit of background on Bayer...
en.wikipedia.org...

From the Wikipedia page.

In 2014 Bayer bought Merck's consumer business, with brands such as Claritin, Coppertone and Dr. Scholl's. Its BayerCropscience business develops genetically modified crops and pesticides. Its materials science division makes polymers like polyurethanes and polycarbonate.

In 1925 Bayer became part of IG Farben, the world's largest chemical company. Following the Nazi takeover of Germany, IG Farben was embroiled in the Nazi regime's policies as a large government contractor. After World War II, Bayer was reestablished as an independent company, and quickly regained its position as one of the world's largest chemical and pharmaceutical corporations. Bayer has been involved in controversies regarding some of its drug products; its statin drug Baycol (cerivastatin) was discontinued in 2001 after 52 people died from renal failure, and Trasylol (aprotinin), used to control bleeding during major surgery, was withdrawn from the markets worldwide when reports of increased mortality emerged; it was later re-introduced in Europe but not in the US.

And

World War II During World War II, IG Farben used slave labor in factories that it built adjacent to German concentration camps, notably Auschwitz,[23] and the sub-camps of the Mauthausen-Gusen concentration camp.[24] IG Farben purchased prisoners for human experimentation of a sleep-inducing drug and later reported that all test subjects died.[25][26] IG Farben held a large investment in Degesch which produced Zyclon B used to gas and kill prisoners during the Holocaust.[27] After World War II, the Allies broke up IG Farben and Bayer reappeared as an individual business "inheriting" many of IG Farben's assets.[25] Fritz ter Meer, an IG Farben board member from 1926 to 1945 and directed operations at the IG Farben plant at Auschwitz, was sentenced to seven years in prison during the IG Farben Military Tribunal at Nuremberg. He was elected Bayer's supervisory board head in 1956.[28] In 1995, Helge Wehmeier, the head of Bayer, publicly apologized to Elie Wiesel for the company's involvement in the Holocaust at a lecture in Pittsburgh

It would seem like they are efficient at what they do and have been for a while now.

I hope they drive Monsatan out of business. That company has twisted the system for a while and uses bully tactics to suppress anyone who challenges them. That practice of bullying people should be made illegal. They misuse Ad Hominum to a great extent. They omit testing on anything other than known problems just as any chemical company does but they convince their scientists that it is not a concern. I would never work for that kind of a company, there are legitimate chemical companies out there.