Axe wielding woman shot dead by Tennessee police after eviction notice

Because the UK is the size of one of our states.

a reply to: lightedhype

originally posted by: Kangaruex4Ewe
MORE TO THE STORY??? Why is this part of the article being ignored here?

On Wednesday, Laronda Sweatt was served an eviction warrant by Sumner County Sheriff’s Office at her home, where police say she threatened law enforcement with an axe and stabbed a deputy.

If this is the case, then she got far more leeway than most. She had already proven that she was beyond dangerous.

She had already stabbed a deputy in the abdomen before backup arrived.

WTF, I already said that!

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: Kangaruex4Ewe

But it wasn't this time. It's in the OP's article

Exactly my point, it's in the article, but not the OP itself.

Ah... I gotcha. I misunderstood.

a reply to: smurfy

That did not appear to be the start of a tantrum like gesture to me. Right before the officer fired you can see she did a sort of leg pump which some people do when they want to speed up and charge at something. I think the officer fired as soon as he saw the aggressive fast-walking start to kick up a notch further and it is also when she does the leg pump that the arm with the axe appear to start raising and moving (turning) toward the officer until pushed back by the gunshot.


It looks cut and dry here, she charged aggressively and with weapon in hand. The officer neutralized this threat.

originally posted by: reldra

originally posted by: Domo1
a reply to: reldra

The problem with tazing someone in a situation like that is if you miss or get a bad hit you only have the one chance and people move pretty fast.

He did the right thing. It's sad, but when you charge a cop with an axe expect to get shot.

Not following directions to stop threatening someone's life with a weapon should = you get shot. Cop was retreating, he gave her ample opportunity to knock it off.

She was walking, walking quickly, and the axe was down, not up. She was carrying it at her side.

Aiming with a tazer might be more successful. Several barbs from a tazer shoot out. With a gun, it is one bullet at a time.

They have 2 barbs and both of them have to make contact in order to work. If he would have missed or not made contact, he could have been in huge trouble per the 21 foot rule of knife attacks. It is sad what happened, but did exactly what he should have. People who generally know nothing about firearms or law enforcment seem to disagree with what he did.


iTruthSeeker

a reply to: UnBreakable

I have problems with police using deadly force against unarmed suspects. But this women was clearly intent on attacking that police officer. When a police officer has his gun aimed at a suspect, the majority of common sense and mentally sane people will submit. Unless the attacking suspect secretly wishes to commit suicide by cop, it doesn't take a genius to understand the deadly consequences if the person continues to approach the police officer. The consequences that follow whether it be death or being hospitalized, rests squarely on the shoulder's of the ignorant attacker.

If I had a son or daughter who was a police officer and someone was confronting them and making strides toward them with an axe, I would definitely want them to use their gun to protect themselves.

originally posted by: evc1shop
a reply to: smurfy

That did not appear to be the start of a tantrum like gesture to me. Right before the office fired you can see she did a sort of leg pump which some people do when they want to speed up and charge at something. I think the officer fired as soon as he saw the aggressive fast-walking start to kick up a notch further and it is also when she does the leg pump that the arm with the axe appear to start raising and moving (turning) toward the officer until pushed back by the gunshot.


It looks cut and dry here, she charged aggressively and with weapon in hand. The officer neutralized this threat.

Funny no one but me mentioned anything like a 'leg pump' until you have just done, and she didn't raise her arm she did the same thing as a 'leg pump' with her arm...so don't try to pervert what she actually did.
As I already said, it was cut and dry, since the officer had no time for himself, and the car played no part anyway.
What I do say you don't just roll up to what was already an ongoing dangerous situation as just another gun getting out of yet another vehicle, that is fecking stupid and crass, and pure hollywood, like here,


Better planning man, better planning.

I see no reason why he didn't shoot her in the legs or arm holding the weapon. This was a shoot to kill, very poor training, this cop either has his own anger issue or he should sue the police department for the lack of training that will now mentally scar him for life. No excuse to kill someone here. Pull up 20 meters further back so you don't put yourself in such danger. Pure stupidity on the cops part.

There is no denying this person was in the wrong and as a result their fate was sealed. However the cops is very much to blame here.

Arrive at a scene, exercise caution, keep your distance unless someone else is in immediate danger, access the situation and make a plan to end the situation with an arrest not a kill. Understand that this person very very likely does not hate YOU personally but are very troubled and need help. The cop put himself in harms way and as a result of his stupidity and inexperience he killed someone instead of helping them.

originally posted by: Vector99
a reply to: UnBreakable
If you want the 2nd amendment you have to allow police to shoot any and every threat. You can't nitpick.

a reply to: Annee

LEO says stop, you stop.
Either LEO have authority or they don't.
STOP means STOP - - - especially if you have an LEO gun pointed at you.

Both of these philosophies go together, and is what keeps this country stable. Our society is much more stable in comparison to much of the rest of the world, even Europe because of the authority we grant to our officers and their strict adherence to the enforcement of law. Over time if people lose their respect for the police, they will lose respect for us. If that happens, we end up like the banana republics with extortionists and bandits working together with the police. And who loses that battle? The PEOPLE!

If too many people have no fear of repercussions from the police, we end up with the kind of rioting we frequently see in France, and occasionally in other stable developed allied nations. Heck, even in Britain people will start rioting over soccer games. There is no excuse to tolerate that kind of environment from trouble makers. And there is no excuse for an individual to approach someone in a hostile manner brandishing a weapon after having committed a violent attack on another LEO. That is grounds for termination, especially from a LEO or a private citizen.

We have to have a zero tolerance policy for violent attacks with weapons, or else the suspect will simply escalate and so will future attacks. It is actually to my bewilderment that she was not shot after stabbing the first officer. To me that shows restraint and professionalism of the men on duty. There was no reason the responding officer has to also accept damaged limb before he has a right to stop a threat.

a reply to: Shamrock6

So it was his right to shoot once he'd already pulled up a few metres from a potential threatening situation and exited the vehicle, which resulted in the woman charging him, right?

But it appears to me he was obviously negligent in how he approached the potential threat in the first place. You can see 3 other cops on the left, already on scene, calmly standing about 10 metres away, probably trying to talk her down... Then this cowboy just comes rolling in pulls up right next to her and bursts out of his vehicle, instigating the whole situation.

In other words, the shooting was justified in the situation he was faced with, but it was his own negligence which put him into that situation in the first place.

In my mind, that equals an unjustified shooting... but I'm sure a good lawyer could successfully argue other wise, right?

Don't follow the instructions of the officer, have the officer in retreat, brandishing a weapon....

You get shot. Male or female. Center mass shot. We aren't looking for leg wounds.

Had she followed the instructions of the officer, she would be alive.

Why are there 4 pages on this topic?

I'll tell you why, bleeding heart, it takes a village to raise an idiot, can't we all just get along BS opinions all opinons based on the after action. Easy to have an opinion when you weren't in the situation.

You would all shoot in this instance and don't think for a minute you wouldn't.....and if you still want to argue that you wouldn't, I'd bet you change that stance as that axe lands a blow on you.....

Another case where mental illness is met with deadly force. It was clear she was going through a rough spot and or had a form of illness. Sure she should not have gone at him wielding a weapon(her mental state obviously claimed her otherwise): Why not disarm(shoot her in the leg?) instead of fatally discharge, wait never mind, apparently the current protocol is shoot to kill.

All in all, it doesn't change the fact officers are not dealing with mental illness accordingly not even to mention as the quote goes the US is one of few the developed nations that do this causing more fatalities overall.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

are you sure they are cops, I mean they are just standing around, doing absolutely nothing, no guns drawn. I think they are just curious (and stupid neighbors myself).

Police spokesman Bill Storment told the Daily News that in addition to the 18-inch ax, Sweatt was carrying a 16-inch sword tucked into her pants, a 5-inch folding knife that she threw into the ground before the confrontation and a "ninja star" in one of her pants pockets.

www.nydailynews.com...

I'd comment on this, but I just don't know what to say...
a skull ax, a sword, a knife, and in case that wasn't enough, a ninja star....

a reply to: reldra

That officer was the back up. She had already injured another officer with that axe.

She got what she had coming to her.

One thing I would interject in this. Instead of a police officer , insert you name in the story. Now read or watch the story developing and ask yourself , "What would I do" . Much different situation when it is some other person's health or life on the line , huh ?
Run away ? An axe in the back is not a pleasant thought. Shoot at the leg , arm ,etc ? A small , quick moving target ? Nearly impossible to hit. No you stop the assailant . Period.

a reply to: wdkirk

People who have never trained for, been involved with, or even bother to understand deadly force encounters tend to raise a stink. Talking about tasers or shooting to wound. They don't and won't understand the concept of shooting to stop, or even how fantastically fast deadly violent encounters happen.

They don't care at all. They think everyone can be reasoned with. To the point where justified self defense is vilified.

originally posted by: reldra
a reply to: UnBreakable

He could have tazed her?

He could have ran and called for back up? She was trying to keep him from where she lived, not chase him down the street.

Simply not following directions should not= being shot.

He still yells "drop it" after she has been shot twice and is on the ground.

You don't HAVE to listen to a police officeer the first, second or even 30th time. That is not grounds for summary execution.

Wrong.

You don't approach ANYONE in that manner wielding an axe.

Least of all a cop pointing a gun at you.

Anyone would have been within their rights of self-defense.

A perfectly justified shooting.

Just actually watched the video.

Stupid treats from doing stupid tricks.

Was hoping it would be a more controversial vid, with some grey area.

She was a threat to human lives.

Hate to be that cop, that sucks.

He will have major problems with the event, even if his buddies high-five a proper survival.

My standard op for axe weilding psychos would be the gas pedal personally.


This is why you don't do drugs peeps

There is no way you can give any blame to that officer. Taser? You are asking a guy who is already cutting it close to holster and secure his weapon, pull taser, take off safety, aim correctly and deploy something that may not even fully work. Bruce freaking Lee would call that a tall order. Shoot in the leg or arm? Nah too messy and your falsely assuming a steady hand, something critics of this officer most certainly have no experience to account for the fact that marksmanship goes down as adrenaline goes up for EVERYONE.

That officer backing up is trying to create "space" between himself and herself ( must account the axe adds a foot to her reach), this is to keep her at AT LEAST 6 feet from his person. 6 feet is the universal distance in law enforcement an officer is to keep in a encounter like this. When you see him reach a rearward obstacle (second patrol car) that signals he is no longer able to maintain the "holy" 6 feet. The six foot rule is the safest route to go, LEOs can and have been disarmed and killed before they could shoot because it was within 6 feet.

I have respect for the British LEOs handling the machete wielder in Reldra' s post non lethally. Thing is if this is a regular sized town it would appear that one guy with a sharp stick was able to completely pre occupy a police department. Making them look inept at more substantial threats. Makes me think what 10 machete wielders could do in the UK.