A prediction for the coming insanity

a reply to: Miracula2

To me Trump becomes the more and more attractive choice. (And I should add, I am just a European observing this drama, thank God I don't have to actually vote him.)
At least he's not a criminal. You should watch the anonymous documentary about Clinton. Horrible stuff!

Obama will never leave office period. He is king of the world. A megalomaniac never leaves willingly. Something serious will happen I believe a total fraud absolutely not random. He will declare martial law and the killing will begin.

originally posted by: corkUSMC
Obama will never leave office period. He is king of the world. A megalomaniac never leaves willingly. Something serious will happen I believe a total fraud absolutely not random. He will declare martial law and the killing will begin.

I don't agree. Michelle is sooooo ready to be out of the White House!!

Obama wont stay past January 2017. Too many would force him out. Congress certainly; but most especially the Democrats. Him staying on would involve chucking even the tatters of the Constitution---and doing so would deprive THEM (democrats) of any power without Obama. And they, like any rump political party, are all about what to do once their beloved leader is no longer in power.


Plan B: Joe Biden.
He never got in, in the first place; so he is still viable. O'mally and Crazy Grampa have been beaten by Hillary, but not Biden. It wouldn't take more than a 3-day ad-hoc Democratic National convention to declare him the replacement. He'd win over Trump. Since he is a much more known quality. So many independents would come back to the democrat party versus Trump, that I believe plan B has been their plan all along: Let Hillary carry the ball for a 90 yard gain, then put Joe Biden in with 2 minutes left on the clock so he can score the winning touchdown and save Our Team.

Plan C: John Kerry.
Kerry did lose to Bush Jr. in 2004, but that's old news now. He has an actual record as secretary of state, and is a mainstream democrat that would again pull a lot of independents away from Trump. A multi-term senator with international diplomacy credentials, he would put a serious hurt on Trump in the competency race.


Republican plans in case Trump develops a traumatic case of lead poisoning:

Plan B: Ted Cruz.
His ground game is still intact, and could be re-activated over a slow weekend, on the news of Trump coming down with a "Kremilin Cold." With the most 'other' delegates, is would be the presumptive front-runner.

Plan C: Nikki Haley.
A distant third. But the RNC could install her quickly, before Kasich et all get their teams up and running again. Kasich has zero chance of ever being made more than the official taster in any administration. Everyone agrees that he is a hometown hero in is state. Otherwise, he is the proverbial empty suit.

a reply to: redempsh

I'm a big fan of Biden, he won't get it though and if he somehow did through conventional decree the backlash from both Hillary and Sanders supporters would be large enough that he wouldn't win the election. The Democrats won't do this because it would cost them what's almost a sure thing in taking both houses of Congress this time around.

Kerry has even less of a chance. if the Republicans want to win they need Hillary to take the nomination, then they need her to stay out of jail.

Honestly, it's in the Republicans interest to lose here. They want their person in during 2020 and they want to be on offense rather than defense in 2022 for redistricting. Winning here puts them on defense in both of those elections.

a reply to: TheRedneck

AND THAT'S THE TRUTH.
I TOTALLY AGREE

a reply to: TheRedneck

I hope you're right, but I have a sickening feeling that the Obama Admin. isn't go to do anything to Queen Hillary.

It's going to be President Hillary. Pay attention to who she picks as VP. That person will be Far Left to appeal to the Bernmeister set -- and may turn out to be the real power in the 2nd Clinton Admin., just the way Cheney was the real power source behind Dubya Bush.

I hope I'm wrong.

One interesting thing going on now, in my opinion, is that Hillary Clinton's campaign is coasting uphill on fumes, while the Donald is running into heavy flak and not losing momentum.

What did the Duke of Wellington say after beating Napoleon in the Battle of Waterloo? Something like, "It was a close run thing."

If Hillary Clinton faces Donald Trump in a two candidate election (no third party) and wins, her winning campaign will have to have been a very "close run thing".

Mrs. Clinton is going to be in serious trouble with Donald Trump, but then, so is he.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Check out this latest crap from Obummer. Maybe he knows something. I'm thinking he will declare us a boarder less country and part of the World Union , accountable to the U.N .
And when people freak out , he will seize control and crack down good old Eastern European Bloc country style on us. Courts , torture, censure ,spying . Wait. He already does that.See Link..
www.whitehouse.gov...

originally posted by: ipsedixit
One interesting thing going on now, in my opinion, is that Hillary Clinton's campaign is coasting uphill on fumes, while the Donald is running into heavy flak and not losing momentum.

What did the Duke of Wellington say after beating Napoleon in the Battle of Waterloo? Something like, "It was a close run thing."

If Hillary Clinton faces Donald Trump in a two candidate election (no third party) and wins, her winning campaign will have to have been a very "close run thing".

Mrs. Clinton is going to be in serious trouble with Donald Trump, but then, so is he.

Yes. The reason I think Hillary is going to win is the difference in the "organizing" of the voters between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party.

The Republicans are so fractured. (I will vote for Trump as a vote against Hillary, but not all Republicans think the way I do.) We have some GOP Establishment jerks trying to organize a Third Party run (a guaranteed FAIL).

There are other Republicans who will sit this election out. I can't believe the stupidity behind that, but in 2012 there were about FIVE MILLION registered Republicans who refused to vote for RINO Romney and handed the election to Obama. They couldn't see any difference between RINO Romney (Romneycare, Mormon) and a pro-Muslim, Marxist Obama.

Trying to herd the Republicans, Independents, and Libertarians into a wall to stop Hillary is like trying to herd cats.

Even if the Bernmeister's supporters hate Hillary, most will hold their noses and vote for her as a way to stop Trump.

The Democratic Party voters are easy to herd -- kind of like herding sheep.

Most of their Hispanic & Black voters are "low information" (the smart ones vote Republican). The young Bernie supporters are also "low information" -- they will vote for anyone the celebs & the "kewl" people vote for. In short, most of the Democrats have NO IDEA how they're being used to advance goals they do NOT understand at all.

If they had ANY real understanding of the end-goals, they would be voting Republican to delay those goals as long as possible.

a reply to: TheRedneck

I expect Clinton will sail into the White House. I expect a outcome similar to the 1964 election in which LBJ won in a landslide over Barry Goldwater. I am not fond of my prediction by any means. Certainly I expect the America First MK2 Movement to last beyond the election. There will be no going back for the GOP and the US/Global political scene. Some interesting days are head.

As for why Trump loses. Well everyone other than his core supporter base isn't fond of Trump. A rather large problem , indeed.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Yes.

But I can't just say yes, so, the one part of the OP that doesn't make sense to me, perhaps because I'm just not up to speed on the topic:

ETA: Upon reading the entire thread, this has been addressed by the OP and others, with well thought out, reasoned, and varying perspectives. Well done, ATS. I'm leaving my pre-full thread reading comments below.

ETA Pt. 2 - I also responded to 4 posts in a row below. Bad form as it looks I'm spamming replies, but I'm just catching up on this great thread and had a few going through it to reply to. I rarely read and entire thread beyond 3 pages.

I am a bit confused by Obama establishing a transition team being suspicious. Wouldn't this be something done by all entering and exiting presidents? I just always figured that was part of the process, though I have no actual knowledge of whether that is the case.

I highly doubt there would be any attempt by Obama to remain in office. I could see something happening where Hillary is indicted, Trump "accidentally" flies a plane into a tree, and Biden takes office until ballots can be put together for a Sanders-Romney election. Maybe the answer as to how things would play out if both candidates were suddenly out of the race right before the election is a known commodity, or maybe it's not, since it's never happened. It just seems to me Obama can't legally serve beyond 2 terms, even in such a scenario.

I'll continue reading the thread past the OP to see if this has been addressed. Aside from my questions on that segment though, I'd say you're spot on, and I love the idea of "resigning" to watching it play out, so long as you and yours are safe.

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: ketsuko


I don't recall it personally. I suppose that it's true that the U.S. could survive a single nuke hit.

Out west, though, with prevailing winds blowing the fallout eastward over the fruited plain....I'm not so sure about that scenario.

I believe/guess that attitude implied that there was doubt he'd retaliate with nukes if the U.S. was hit. I did have that concern about him....somewhere that suggestion popped up, I don't recall where. It 'might' be connected, though.

A single nuke hit would be disastrous, but wouldn't destroy the country. Of course, the magnitude of the effect would depend on size and location, varying from maybe a couple dozen killed (dirty bomb) to wiping out the people and economic institutions and infrastructure of New York City, but even then, we would rebound.

As for fallout from a nuke, it's not really a big deal. We've detonated hundreds of hydrogen bombs out west back when we were popping off above ground tests like they were 50 cent packs of bang snaps.

originally posted by: Peeple

originally posted by: Nobodys
Very good points!!!! I agree!! I believe the US, being a young country, is now facing the same things the other older countries have been dealing with for ages. a reply to: ipsedixit

Really? Because it popped into existence out of nowhere or what? There were several very active politicians involved in laying the foundations of the USA and they lived in political systems before, you know.
The population also was experienced in living in states, or do you think all the settlers fell out of the skies, or had total amnesia?

How does the fact of politicians being involved in laying the groundwork for the US system negate the relative youth of the USA, especially as it was a significantly different system than those which came before? You reacted in a ridiculous hyperbolic manner, as if Nobodys post was completely off the wall, when it's actually well understood to be true by just about everyone.

Then as for the population being "experienced living in states" (with more ridiculous hyperbole to follow) - again, what does that have to do with Nobodys post?

This makes me think of the kind of drivers who shake their fist at you as if you're doing something wrong when they're the ones going the wrong way down a one-way street.

originally posted by: corkUSMC
Obama will never leave office period. He is king of the world. A megalomaniac never leaves willingly. Something serious will happen I believe a total fraud absolutely not random. He will declare martial law and the killing will begin.

Come on... Do you actually believe that, or am I just not picking up on the joke/sarcasm? I know there's actually a frightening number of people who have been expecting Obama to start mass killing of citizens since he took office, so maybe you're being serious.

I hope when it doesn't happen (it's definitely not going to happen), it helps to alleviate the irrational paranoia you and others who believe this have been harboring. Don't allow the "let-down" of being wrong in something you have such strong belief in feed into even greater paranoia. Take it as a sign that maybe extreme, unlikely, irrational, terrible scenarios aren't typically likely outcomes to any situation.

Nothing wrong with being prepared, but to put too much stock in something so extremely unlikely and without merit is a waste of time, stress and life.

a reply to: TheRedneck

Interesting thoughts for sure! I agree with you on Bush. I think they stuck Bush in, funded him at the highest levels expecting him to fall in line and take the chair for 4-8 years. I do not think that Trump beat Bush, I think that he really just did not want to do it. I don't think his heart was in it, and I think the elites behind the scenes finally saw it, and let him off the hook. I think that he was setup to be the Republican Nominee to ensure that there was no questioning the election results once Hillary was elected.

I think the one thing you are missing here is that you may be underestimating Hillary's true power. She is immensely powerful, and a silly little email scandal cannot take down the Clinton powerhouse . If there really was any type of threat to her freedom and power, we would be seeing many high level officials dropping like flies in mysterious "suicides" and "car accidents" and "natural causes." I think this is the one point that you are leaving out of the equation. All of the talk of an arrest is just that, talk. If we see FBI agents mysteriously going missing, then we will know that there is an actual problem for Hillary. Also, there is no Bernie rabbit to be pulled, as Clinton owns the hat that the rabbit is in.

Now Trump, that is somewhat of a mystery to me. I have been thinking that he may just be a Shill for Hillary, much in the way that Bush was meant to be. Go in and break up the Republican party and ensure Hillary wins. At this point it is hard to tell. It would appear that if this is the case, then it is working. Look at all of the establishment Republicans "nevertrumping" and burning their voter registration cards. Look at the RNC leadership, like Paul Ryan. No one is backing this guy. He may just be a Clinton operative. He is effectively destroying the GOP from the inside out.

If he is not a shill, and he is the real deal, then I can see the establishment trying to steal the election at a contested convention. If they are so hell bent on stopping him at all costs, EVEN VOTING FOR HILLARY, why wouldn't they take the nomination for him. If they decide that isn't the best plan of attack, and he wins, then he will go the way of JFK.

The people that really control this country/world get what they want NO MATTER WHAT. Whatever the end result is, is what they planned. If Trump wins the election and sits in office for a term or two, then that is exactly what was planned. Things don't happen by the will of the people. Our entire system is rigged, and it is all meticulously planned and executed, and there is nothing that we can do to change it.

a reply to: ipsedixit

I want to amend something I wrote in my initial response to your post:

I think the reason the GOP establishment wants to mount a "Third Party" candidate -- Cruz, Romney, or whatever REAL Republican candidate -- is because they KNOW Trump is GOING TO LOSE ANYWAY -- even if they support Trump.

So the GOP will try to save the GOP Senate, by giving the Republican voters a Republican Presidential candidate they can actually vote for -- without holding their noses. The Republican presidential candidate will lose, but those Republicans down the line who are up for re-election might be saved.

The simple fact is that the majority of Republicans who voted in the Primary (before Cruz & Kasich dropped out) did NOT vote for Trump.

I also believe that Kasich was being paid to siphon off votes from Cruz. As soon as Cruz dropped out, so did Kasich -- Kasich's job was done.

Ted Cruz was the ONE who was really hated by Washington insiders like RINO Boehner. Cruz was not afraid to stand up to them.

AV

originally posted by: nwtrucker
a reply to: TheRedneck

An articulate and pragmatic assessment....based on the information that has reached us.

I have another concern and it isn't some move by Obama. I believe he flat out wouldn't get away with it and it would be destructive to his legacy. No, my concern is the power elite. When they see-and they probably do-that their usual mechanisms aren't working this election cycle, just how desperate are they??

If real desperate, would they use outside the political mechanism to derail this movement? An economic catastrophe? A new or vastly expanded military confrontation? Some blindside that diverts/deflects attention from this election and allows Obama to 'justifiably' implement some draconian executive order?

While I'm excited by the potential of change, my anxiety is also a bit higher due to this possibility....

The NWO Cabal is NOT afraid of Trump. If Trump gets a miracle to actually win, Trump will be controllable. He has a LOT to lose. (Trump is merely an egotist who loves the limelight. He was not prepared to win the Primary. He's not even a real Conservative.) Trump is ALL about Trump. He's hot air.

My fear about Obama (since 2008) is that the Cabal is planning a "spectacular ending" for him. The Far Left (which has hijacked the Democratic Party) has been dying to create a Race War. Remember the Democratic Party is on the fast track to the NWO.

originally posted by: AmericanRealist
a reply to: TheRedneck

What if instead of pulling back the protections on Clinton and merely send her to prison, they have plans to end her instead. She may decide to cooperate against her masters if she actually is faced with prison. Wouldn't they want to shut her up?? Or do you think they would just give her favorable prison terms in exchange for silence??

I don't think they're going to do anything to Queen Hillary even if the FBI recommends an indictment. If you thought Attorney General Loretta Lynch was a straight-shooter, think again. She's just as much a Left-wing political flunky as Obama. Any Republican who approved her appointment should repent.

There's also a rumor that the Clintons have so much dirt on other powerful people, there's no way they will do anything serious to her. That rumor is probably true. She's the 2016 Democratic Party candidate.

originally posted by: SeaYote
a reply to: TheRedneck

Wow! I agree with your analysis of the players and the over all political landscape. Like you, I'm an independent voter and not behind any of the candidates being served up. Hillary is a Machiavelian schemer, Trump is a bombastic narcissist -- if either of them wins, we all lose! Neither of them has an respect for the people they would serve nor the Constitution and both of them terrify me as potential Commander in Chief!

Most any conversation I've had with friends, family, and random strangers has contained some reference to how insane this presidential election cycle is. The strange place we find ourselves in as citizens and voters is that we are flooded with disinformation, and downright manipulation of the facts by a bought out media. To be informed, one has to search and scrounge out multiple sources of information and sift through it for facts. However it seems that even when more mainstream news sources post something substantial, it's ignored by the general population. I can only hope that your overall prediction of an extended Obama administration does not come to pass. I can only hope that there is yet some other unforeseen hand to be played in this rotten game of poker.

Surprisingly enough, Huffington Post has had several items about H. Clinton (such a humanitarian) and her dirty hands on regime change in Honduras:
www.huffingtonpost.com...
www.huffingtonpost.com...

These alone should condemn her to her target constituents! Logic is in short supply!

And Trump's supporters who love him for being such a self made winner!?

www.washingtonpost.com...
www.politifact.com...

I agree with your assessment of both Hillary & Trump.

The Huffington Post has been pushing for the Bernmeister since the beginning.

The Washington Post is owned by Bezos, the founder of Amazon.com. He's taken his billions to push Left-wing causes. I'd be surprised to find any positive news about any Republican in his rag.