American Psychiatric Association pushes for electroshock therapy for children and teens

a reply to: pl3bscheese

Congrats on admitting your error.

I agree that suicide is a huge issue.

I do NOT trust the medical establishment to abide strictly by the rules of such things. Professional MD's fudge criteria frequently. All the more so when a troublesome teen is involved and care givers are worn out.

a reply to: burntheships

Then I would suggest you read the word AND when it states treatment resistance and high risk of suicide. & does not equal or. Furthermore, I would suggest you understand that your article mentions that ECT is already given to children and adolescents. The proposed changes in your article actually talk about improving the situation, whereby further regulations and standards are used when considering ECT in adolescents and children.

Thanks.

a reply to: pl3bscheese

Actually, you should criticize The Federal Register,
it is not "my article" but one published by The Federal
Government. It does appear to leave out details
that would be of concern.

My haste in posting that first was to keep the thread
from devolving into a full page of attacks.

I do not regret it. Thanks.

a reply to: burntheships

I'm not criticizing the article, I'm using the facts presented in the article to criticize your reply.

There's no backwards advancement, there's advancement.

originally posted by: pl3bscheese
a reply to: burntheships

Then I would suggest you read the word AND when it states treatment resistance and high risk of suicide. & does not equal or. Furthermore, I would suggest you understand that your article mentions that ECT is already given to children and adolescents. The proposed changes in your article actually talk about improving the situation, whereby further regulations and standards are used when considering ECT in adolescents and children.

Thanks.

That's what I suspected.

Sigh.

I'm not trying to oversimplify a complex problem.

I'm just fiercely against ECT--virtually always. And particularly for youth who have brains not fully formed. Some say the brain is not fully formed until age 25-35.

originally posted by: pl3bscheese

Then I would suggest you read the word AND when it states treatment resistance and high risk of suicide. & does not equal or.
Thanks.

I never said "or".

Article states :
and for MDE associated with major depressive disorder or bipolar disorder

In any case that is my last comment on this issue for now.
Thanks.

After 14 years of taking every AD know to man I was finally labeled unresponsive to AD's.

They gave me one option and it was electro shock therapy. My doctor told me mostly the good about it, high success rate, its not barbaric anymore,they put you almost to sleep so you dont feel anything. But the bad came, severe memory loss that could last for months and possibly permanent, loss of some motor functions and possibly death. So I decided against it after doing research for about a month.

After that last visit I stopped all AD's completely and surprising besides maybe one or two days a month of feeling that heavy depression feeling I'm completely fine and happy. Happier then when I was ever on AD for 14 years.

But what make no sense to me about the OP is it took me 14 years or trying every type of every class of anti depressants. It takes so long because some take months to even start working, and even if you find one that does work it will eventually stop after a couple years even with dosage increases.

So what I'm getting at is how can a teenager be diagnosed as unresponsive to all Ad's when it took me 14 years to get to that point? That makes no sense at all. It makes me won if there's an agenda behind this weather its money or trying to slowly control the newest generation.

Well, I thought I would share my experience with all of you so maybe you could have a better understanding on how the process really works and the time it takes.

I think those Psychiatric people may be a little psycho. That is child abuse. I know people who had those shocks and it made them forget things. So then since they can't do their schoolwork, they will need constant therapy because of depression.

a reply to: 772STi

THANKS TONS.

Am not that surprised about your experiences. Very sad.

You might check out Cognitive Behavioral Therapy. You may have 'happened onto' a lot of it already--rewiring your brain to avoid thinking of the depressive thoughts and forcing yourself--until the habit is established--to focus on the more positive options in your day and life experience.

CONGRATS ON YOUR WONDERFUL PROGRESS.

Given your current experiences with feeling less joy--I'd say you are average or a bit above given the depressing things actually going on in our world. LOL.

Please keep up the great work. We really can learn to control our own moods to a huge degree. Whatever we think on, habitually, persistently, repeatedly, WILL decide a lot of things--including mood. And, some research suggests, it can even alter our DNA.

CHEERS.

originally posted by: rickymouse
I think those Psychiatric people may be a little psycho. That is child abuse. I know people who had those shocks and it made them forget things. So then since they can't do their schoolwork, they will need constant therapy because of depression.

INDEED. I much agree. I very much agree.

Thanks for a good insight.

a reply to: BO XIAN

Wonder how many of them would do this to their own kids? Hey, I have an idea lets demonstrate it on all of the members of that idiotic association.

a reply to: BO XIAN

Nice thread! I have nothing to add. Enjoying the reading!

a reply to: forthelove

In a serious 'joke' sort of way . . . it works for me.

Though I am a firm believer that God handles vengeance best.

But then I think that congress critters should by law have to have our health insurance and abide by the same laws we do. LOL.

a reply to: burntheships

It says for life saving intervention.

Like I said earlier, but was ignored for obvious reasons, the actual paper for the changes explicitly states 18 years and over.

a reply to: Chadwickus

Evidently you missed the later post that noted that they are

already doing it with significantly younger kids.

However, I realize there are folks that think that the PTB, OFFICIALDOM, the oligarchy, etc.

have only our best and most wonderful interests, health and freedoms at heart.

I'm not one of them.

a reply to: BO XIAN

Psychiatry is just another name for barbarianism.

Its a way for the establishment to legitimize human experimentation and mass population control.

"But its helped so many people".

Actually no, its "helped" no one. Dont get me wrong, counseling can be helpful but the most that psychiatry can do is to give a person a chemical lobotomy turning him or her into a partial zombie, which is then called an "improvement".

Its a barbaric field of "medicine" which has used and uses torture as "treatment" utilizing electric shocks, insulin comas and metal spikes inserted into the brain or whats known as a lobotomy.

a reply to: gladtobehere

I'm not quite that harsh.

However, I think well respected professional: Thomas Szaz might agree with some of your points.

a reply to: BO XIAN

I can understand if it seems a bit cynical but one just has to look at the history of psychiatry, not only in the US, but in the rest of the developed world to realize how barbaric it really is, both then and now.

Your article proves this.

a reply to: Chadwickus

This link to the actual pdf by the APA which I previously posted
does contain language concerning use on children.

psychiatry.org...

Sure is a bunch of "if" and "could" scattered throughout that article.

I'll take Conjecture for a thousand Alex.