Stupid liberals.

a reply to: deadlyhope

the fraction that are going to use the bathroom for what a bathroom is meant for, relieving themselves.

but, I don't think of it as opening doors, to me that seems so illogical. a rapist is going to rape regardless of laws.

a reply to: NateTheAnimator

I don't want any new laws. Period.

No laws saying everyone can use any bathroom.
No laws saying someone can't use a bathroom.

Thank you for the links. Statistics are useful and factual, and help everyone including myself stick to a specific point.

30 percent of rapes are by a stranger, according to your second link. Over 80 percent by white males overall - let's say nearly 25 percent of rapes are by a white stranger.

So, a white stranger sees a girl he finds.. Suitable. She goes into a public restroom, in an area with a few people around but not too many, say a convenience store during slower hours. Current, or previous laws - if he followed into a restroom, it would not be okay. Any notice by staff, citizen, guards, etc.. This activity would be suspicious, possibly or likely stopped and reported.

Current and future LGBT laws - this man follows this lady, and it is now illegal to deny him access to the restroom. Authorities ignore such phone calls, and this man gets away with something he may not have previously.

Is my situation possible, plausible, or only made up, in your opinion?

originally posted by: deadlyhope

Is there really enough evidence to say that giving access to everyone, to any restroom, is not a form of a private area that would become easier access than previously?

Or is it to say, if a predator suspects a woman is alone in a restroom, the law would not stop him from following her, even currently? Would he be deterred if others were in the general area - currently? Would he be deterred from following her if others were in the general area if LGBT laws were passed?

Dude, I can only tell you that sexual assaults in public restrooms have not increased in the states that passed anti-discrimination laws. What more do you want?

Please. Don't buy into the fear mongering from the right. They are manipulating the public to think the way they want them to think, so they can get back some control after losing the marriage equality debate. That's all this is about.

a reply to: knoxie

My question is.

Would a rapist dare, would he have the determination to follow a pretty lady into a bathroom, where he isn't allowed? Authorities might be called, he'd be suspected if it's a place he's not allowed, more people could identify this man as it's currently abnormal for men to go in a ladies area.

Come 2017...he's allowed in that restroom. No people in the general vicinity would deter his actions, as he has every right to fake he identifies as female.

Is this situation impossible, or unlikely?

a reply to: kaylaluv

And I can accept those statistics and apply them to my thoughts accordingly. I won't look at your data and claim it's false because it doesn't match my original post.

Yeah I really don't care about the conservatives in this case, this is my own opinion.

One thought of mine is that - if someone truly identifies as female, he won't as likely have a beard, mustache, etc. Not to say all females want to be extremely feminine but there's simply certain aspects of being a gender that are undeniable. Very, very few females can even grow very much facial hair, even fewer have it if they can.

So question - should we allow bearded men into women's restrooms ?

If yes - do you stand behind your previous data? That is, to assume that in areas with LGBT laws, bearded men do in fact use the other restroom at times, if they identify as female, and cause no extra problems? ( which, I believe to be disingenuous personally, thus my qualms with it.)

Edit - this question is stand alone. I do not assume bearded men commit more crimes, simply bringing up another facet of this issue. This is not meant to be tied to any other post.

originally posted by: deadlyhope
a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

So schools Florida was not just told they have to allow everyone into whatever restroom they want?

No.

Only crazy liberals want hormonal teenage boys to have free and unrestricted access to all areas meant for woman.

What's happened to your common sense? NO ONE wants that. If that's what you think equality proponents want, you're not very informed... Or else you're just parroting the GOP talking points... Think for yourself. You're a lot smarter when you do that.

A "hormonal teenage boy" is not transgender.

Regardless, I don't think any laws should be made, things were just fine.

Agreed. Laws against something that doesn't happen, for the purpose of discriminating, embarrassing and shaming the trans community, is what we're seeing here.

a reply to: deadlyhope


unlikely.


what's to stop a man following a women into a bathroom now? do you really believe he's going to do it right out in the open with people in there, or around to see him go in? doesn't that seem illogical to you?

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

What laws, measures, or assurances could we implement or have to insure that the person entering the bathroom actually identifies as that gender, and is not a pervy guy as I was saying?

Also, Kayla has been talking me down and explaining things so I'm coming to make more sense of the situation . I'm not a gop parrot, you know me better than that. I was raised very, very conservative but have slowly transitioned to the other side.

Currently, I'm not seeing why a guy with a beard should be able to enter a ladies restroom, simply because he can lie and say "I identify as female" - a bearded guy is much less likely to identify as a true female in my opinion because the ability to even grow a lot of facial hair is very rare.

This situation can be explained to me, if you give me a chance.

a reply to: deadlyhope

Current and future LGBT laws - this man follows this lady, and it is now illegal to deny him access to the restroom. Authorities ignore such phone calls, and this man gets away with something he may not have previously.

These laws do not legally protect them from being questioned about their gender-identity...Just gives them the same rights as any other cis-gendered person to use the public bathroom.
If you were so inclined to do so,you could always ask the next time you see what looks like a man walk into a lady's bathroom. It would just be kind of rude.

Your hypothetical is filled with variables that are entirely arbitrary..Not all convenience stores have a public restroom,you may have to request a key to the restroom from the store clerk,what if it's not a slow work day and what about cameras? Although It's plausible but statistically improbable of a scenario like that from ever occurring.
I'm glad you like the links,I hope you learned something about rape/sexual assault so that we as a society can prevent future incidents. Keeping to the status quo though,is not the solution.

a reply to: knoxie

I'm talking about people outside the restroom - currently, it'd be odd for people to see some big man open the ladies restroom door, unless the guy made extra effort and dressed up like a janitor and carried a mop and such..

I'm talking about ease though.

Wouldn't it be easier public or not, people in the general area or not, for him to go into the ladies room, if LGBT laws existed that allowed him to do so, and made it illegal to discriminate against such action?

a reply to: deadlyhope

Frankly, your questions are getting kind of silly. Why are you so obsessed with bearded men? If a man looks suspicious for some reason, then he should be questioned. If he is a predator who claims he is just a transgender female, it's going to be hard for him to do anything at that point, because he is already suspect. If he is actually a transgender female (which is highly unlikely if he has a beard), then he'll just go to the restroom and get out of there. It seems to have worked out okay in those states that already have anti-discrimination laws in place.

a reply to: deadlyhope

If you're not....your opinion on what they would or wouldn't do is just speculation and assumption - myself included.

Now this is rich, maybe you should of qualified your op with this, you know since your op is about getting in the head of a criminal and now saying they are going to have it easier then before. Should have been "Liberals are stupid because of my speculation and assumptions".

a reply to: deadlyhope


so you think it's likely now that a rapist will be able to just saunter in, beard and all, to rape someone and he won't have to worry about being seen? what about men who prey on boys in bathrooms - pretty sure if they're gonna do that they gonna try real hard not to be seen going in.

a reply to: Sremmos80

I posted this in the rant forum...

This isn't a well thought-out, coherent, well spoken, mature, factual and well presented post... It was never meant to be.

a reply to: deadlyhope

I know, was just saying how ironic it was that you want to turn around and dismiss what my answer to your question because it is only speculation and assumptions when that is the foundation of your OP.
Also funny how you say that, but then keep repeatedly asking people for facts and numbers to counter your point...

It is almost like you are holding the people responding to you to a higher standard than what you are willing to put out for your own thread.

a reply to: Sremmos80

You must not know me on these forums, and you don't know a thing about me.

I make a post in the rant forum because I say what's on my mind - my knee-jerk, uneducated, unformed reaction to something in the press - From there, I see responses - People can throw their own rant at me, and we can just have a rant fest, in the rant forum, and all is well - Or, they can present data to me that counters my point made, and actually help formulate a more permanent thought process.

For the record, I've come to understand the argument and case for LGBT rights, and am a lot more at peace with such anti-discrimination laws than I was when I started out. I learned something, I changed stances in a sense - Not to say I'm 100% like Kayla now, but to say I definitely have a stance different than that of the first post in this thread.

I don't hold anyone to any standard in the rant forum, including myself. Meet me over in philosophy or something and I'll try being more classy, but as for here - Nah, I rather like the banter here.

I've actually been educated a few times on the rant forum, then maybe a few days down the road you'll see me make a new case that's for anti-discrimination laws - But that includes my own twist to it.

Anyways, peace.

a reply to: deadlyhope

Well if you are going to make a self admitted knee jerk and uneducated thread, then drop the holier than thou act when someone comes with an actual educated answer to what you are asking.

a reply to: deadlyhope

I'm pro gay and Trans rights, pro abortions, etc.

WTF is Pro Gay!? I'm straight and I have 2 gay friends does that make me PRO GAY!? They can already get married what other fu**ing special rights do they need? Same thing with trans rights WTF is wrong with you, I hate anyone who believes certain people are better than everyone else and deserve special treatment. Let me guess you're 19 with a computer and now you think you're something special....give me a break...and no I'm not reading your stupid thread. GTFO and get a life snowflake and quit crying like a baby.

a reply to: BLee8127

Are you okay?

"I'm pro gay and Trans rights"

Means I believe that people that identify as gay or Trans-gender deserve the same rights as other people. They should be able to get married, get the same jobs without discrimination and such.

Again, are you okay.?

a reply to: deadlyhope

Again, are you okay.?

No I'm not. I'm pissed the **** off...because of people like you young women have to be scared to go in a restroom now because some pervert might be lurking...ALL BECAUSE YOU SUPPORT TRANS RIGHTS