Stupid liberals.

a reply to: Krakatoa The point was to prove to the snowflake that men do indeed enter restrooms to cause violence after she said it would never happen.

I also told you were to find it, that is a reference. Sorry you're too lazy to open a tab and type in Foxnews.com

originally posted by: deadlyhope

You may say that never happens... But As for what never happens? A lady with a big rack, long hair, make up.. Etc.. Is not usually followed into the stall to check what she pulls out of her pants. Stop posting these stupid pictures of Trans people that have taken every effort to look like the gender they identify with, and realize that conservatives are genuinely concerned about creepy pervy straight men being protected by law to use whatever restroom he likes.

While most conservatives are "concerned" about creepy straight men, these people need to realize that infringing on the rights of an innocent group isn't making anyone any safer. Rather than base enforcement on universal, non-discriminatory government regulations, the legislature instead took the lazy way out and chose birth certificate sex as the deciding factor. Personally speaking, I don't care what genitals someone was born with, nor do I care what the person in the next stall has. Unlike men's rooms, we have lockable doors that preserve our privacy and offer simple security during our short trip to the restroom. Why are so many people absolutely obsessed with that which they never even see?

People have claimed that it's about locker rooms, so I asked my grandkids when the last time was that they saw someone naked at school. *crickets* Nobody is dancing around naked. Again, this is all a scare tactic being abused by conservatives to motivate their base.

Want a real solution? Pass universal legislation that regulates a one time legal change of gender. Require therapy and other applicable safeguards, but make those changes ONE TIME ONLY so that people can't switch back and forth at will. Require that certain medical intervention be completed. Those completing those prerequisites should be as a member of that gender/sex, and would largely ease the fears people have today.

originally posted by: AVtech34
a reply to: Krakatoa The point was to prove to the snowflake that men do indeed enter restrooms to cause violence after she said it would never happen.

I also told you were to find it, that is a reference. Sorry you're too lazy to open a tab and type in Foxnews.com

Are you saying that if transgender people didn't exist, that sexual assault would cease to exist? Men using the restrooms for criminal activity does happen, but if you want to prevent that, you do so by making the penalties for such so horrible that only a suicidal fool would dare prey on innocent people there.

Only in America 2016 could we possibly have a system in which people advocating that race and gender exclusionary "safe spaces" in public institutions are not only valid requests but sacred rights also be the same people often criticizing parents and normal people for their "archaic and backwards" desire to keep bathrooms (even those in privately owned businesses) as the traditional gender exclusionary safe spaces they've been for generations.

If you have a vagina, use the women's toilet. If you have a pecker, use the men's room. If you fall somewhere in between, well, it sucks being an outlier but life has always been and always will be geared toward the majorities and averages. Sucks to be you, buy a helmet.

a reply to: WeRpeons

I agree. It never should never have been made public, but now we have to deal with it.

We have to deal with those with good intentions and bad, rather than just letting freedom reign.

a reply to: AVtech34

And posting "go find it yourself" is not the epitome of laziness? haahhahaaaa........

a reply to: burdman30ott6

Agreed, well said.

a reply to: TechniXcality

Haha thanks tech, though you probably know me well enough to know my next post could very well be "stupid conservatives" and be a rant about capitalism turning into corporatism - though I really blame this situation on politicians rather than people..

Anyways thanks for stopping by

originally posted by: burdman30ott6
If you have a vagina, use the women's toilet. If you have a pecker, use the men's room.

The problem at hand is that restroom access isn't based on what you have now, it's based on what you had at birth. (according to your birth certificate)

a reply to: Krakatoa No, its called im busy, and don't have the ability to post due to the restrictions put on this computer. I pointed you in the right direction. You need me to hold your hand all the way to the source? You'll have to wait till I get home from work.

a reply to: ReprobateRaccoon

And what if you have no birth certificate? Or were not born in the U.S.? Does it come down to the sex listed on your drivers license / ID card?

a reply to: Krakatoa

It's more about control, about impulse, social norms.

The several percent that are sexual predators and pedophiles... What if they were given free reign? Constitutionally protected, legislatively allowed to choose which bathroom they want, and their only real reason could be because that little girl is cute to them, anyways this description makes me sick, but allowing that man to go into the restroom would not be good. Currently, a big man with a beard is definitely questioned, suspected, etc if they go toward that restroom.

There's a lot of sexual offenders, who by their very nature seek out circumstances they can get away with.

Very, very, very, very few Trans people that feel truly traumatized and are unable to function because they can't find a bathroom.

I can link you statistics of sexual offenders, who by their very description seek out circumstances in which they can offend..

Can you link me statistics of Trans-gender people who are truly traumatized, cannot function, can't find a restroom due to current restroom laws?

a reply to: deadlyhope

I am still trying to understand the true objection here. I'm not being combative, just trying to understand. Sexual assault is illegal now, it has been for a long time. How would this law make it legal now? How would it embolden a sexual predator? As a parent, you usually take your children into the bathroom yourself, as an escort. That happens now, with the existing laws in place, and nobody seems to mind a woman taking her son in the men's room (if needed) or a man taking her daughter in the ladies room (if needed). As you stated sexual predators exist, have always existed, and will continue to exist. I honestly do not understand how this law changes that fact.

a reply to: Krakatoa

12 year old girls are not usually accompanied by their parents.

Allowing people to go into any restroom, based on something subjective like gender identity, would allow a big hairy man to follow right behind a 12 year old girl. Currently this is suspicious, illegal, looked down upon, etc. Surveillance cameras outside could find an obvious suspect - but if big bearded pedophiles are allowed into restrooms, surveillance won't help much, and predators have easy access into a place with teenage and younger girls....

Tell me why this wouldn't happen, please, I am obviously not understanding.

a reply to: Krakatoa

Just my point of view.
Yes, Sexual assault is illegal. Still happens though, correct?
Predators do whatever they can, to get to a victim, correct?

So, what is to stop a twisted predator from dressing like a girl? (yes, I realize they could do that now.)
But couldn't they feel more embolden with this law?

And as for the story you two are arguing about posting, that covers another point. While most parents DO go to the bathroom with their children, this mother for some reason didn't. I'm sure she will regret that for the rest of her life.

Personally, as I've stated, enclosed stalls seems easier to me. I don't care who is next to me, as long as they can't "get" to me, either peeking over, or under.
Because really, while currently illegal, are you going to be able to catch someone, with your pants down?

a reply to: AVtech34

Was this guy transgender? Was this guy constitutionally protected to do what he did? I don't think so.

Go ahead and make laws banning transgender women from going into the women's room and see if there are still sexual assaults in public restrooms by men. Betcha 5 billion dollars there still will be.

This outrage is NOT about crimes in public restrooms. This outrage is about aversion to transgender people.

a reply to: chiefsmom

But you do understand, that by delineating it to only the birth sex allowed in the bathroom, now a mother cannot take her son to the bathroom safely, EITHER bathroom (she cannot go in the men's room he cannot go into the ladie's room). And the same goes for a father and daughter. What is left is either risking them going in alone (which we know is already a bad idea) or asking a stranger of the appropriate sex to take them in to monitor/help them (another legal risk for the stranger who might get falsely accused of sexual assault by the parent).

See how making this fine line introduces even MORE risk on a wider scale?

a reply to: deadlyhope

After today, I think it's time for mass civil disobedience.

I think parents need to get together with their sons and tell them - Use the girls' bathrooms and lockers rooms at school. Get together with your friends and have at. Do it obviously and deliberately and enjoy it. And if anyone tells you that you can't, tell them you feel like a lady.

If it happened on a mass level, it might at least get some sanity injected back into the policy or every male in the country will become a sex offender for simply taking advantage of the new DoJ policy.

But in essence, I completely agree with you otherwise. It isn't the sincere transgenders we need to worry about. They've always been there. It's the social engineering "for our own good" so we don't have to feel mean that's going to send us straight back to the rest of the third world.

a reply to: ketsuko

Sounds interesting to me. Make it obvious, so some common sense is used.

People, with their good intentions, often don't realize there's more sides to a coin than one. In this case, it's more like a dice and we should really just figure out what's best and most reasonable.

How things were... How things have been, I still haven't been shown how many people are in terrible circumstances because of how the way things have been and always have been operating.

a reply to: Krakatoa

I do.

Trust me, again, if I had my way, I would scrap ALL the bathroom BS and just have one law. All bathrooms must have completely enclosed stalls.

I think the only people that would have be upset by my law, would be predators. And I don't care about them.

a reply to: chiefsmom

Agreed...wholeheartedly. Thanks for listening and trying to understand my perspective. I think any of these laws are poison and will only cause more issues than they are trying to solve. Bad laws result in bad people doing more bad things.