Andrew Napolitano: Mrs. Clinton’s folks are preparing for the worst.

originally posted by: Snarl

I, for one, am all for throwing this baby out with the bathwater.

For heavens sake, lets at least get rid of the crooked hedge funds,
and those in the Washington D.C circuit taking part in this unholy matrimony.

Hillary Clinton is Sick and Tired of Greedy Hedge Fund Managers Like Her Son in Law

a reply to: RickinVa

Intending to be legally bound, I hereby accept the obligations contained in this Agreement in consideration of my being granted access to classified information. As used in this Agreement, classified information is marked or unmarked classified information, including oral communications

That agreement only applies to information originated from government sources. The emails that you listed did not originate from the government. They originated from The CF.

It's that simple and all that matters, in relation to this particular topic.

Information that originates outside of the government that ends up as part of an investigation, such as the case of the CF, is not classified at origination because the government did not originate it. You admitted the difference when you said this:

The only time I ever heard retroactive classification in my 18.5 years in the intelligence community is when it is applied to things like the government taking over private companies

The CF, a private organization, had intel that applies to "Section 1.4 (b) foreign government information" and it was retroactively classified for investigative and FOIA purposes. THat intel did not originate from the government and was collected by the CF.

You just shot yourself in the foot.

The elites might sacrifice her and choose Bernie over Trump in order to appease the masses and move closer to a socialist/ state controlled media and economy.

a reply to: introvert

Don't you think some of the classified info sent by Sid Blumenthal originated from gov agencies?

Sid and Hillary were emailing stuff all over the place. [1]

[1] verified by emails published by the State Dept. and presented and confirmed in other threads.

I've been lied to so many times I believe nothing. Ever.

a reply to: xuenchen

Don't you think some of the classified info sent by Sid Blumenthal originated from gov agencies?

I don't know. Do you?

You'd have to prove that.

Obviously there may be some overlap, but it does not mean that the CF got it's information from government sources.

That doubt in and of itself casts doubt on many of the claims made on this issue.

Therefore, any conclusion is illogical without solid info.

a reply to: introvert

The Clinton Foundation seem very well provided with intelligence.

Or perhaps they stole it?

"Charles McCulllough, the intelligence community's inspector general, said in a letter to the chairmen of the Senate intelligence and foreign affairs committees that he has received sworn declarations from an intelligence agency he declined to name.

The declarations cover "several dozen emails containing classified information determined by the IC element to be at the CONFIDENTIAL, SECRET and TOP SECRET/SAP information."



"Now, over two months later, I can confirm that the contents of Sid Blumenthal’s June 8, 2011, email to Hillary Clinton, sent to her personal, unclassified account, were indeed based on highly sensitive NSA information. The agency investigated this compromise and determined that Mr. Blumenthal’s highly detailed account of Sudanese goings-on, including the retelling of high-level conversations in that country, was indeed derived from NSA intelligence.

"Specifically, this information was illegally lifted from four different NSA reports, all of them classified “Top Secret / Special Intelligence.” Worse, at least one of those reports was issued under the GAMMA compartment, which is an NSA handling caveat that is applied to extraordinarily sensitive information (for instance, decrypted conversations between top foreign leadership, as this was). GAMMA is properly viewed as a SIGINT Special Access Program, or SAP, several of which from the CIA Ms. Clinton compromised in another series of her “unclassified” emails."

"How Mr. Blumenthal got his hands on this information is the key question, and there’s no firm answer yet. The fact that he was able to take four separate highly classified NSA reports—none of which he was supposed to have any access to—and pass the details of them to Hillary Clinton via email only hours after NSA released them in Top Secret / Special Intelligence channels indicates something highly unusual, as well as illegal, was going on."

We are all looking forward to the answers...

originally posted by: butcherguy
The woman is running for POTUS.
At the very least, we need to hear something from her.... other than 'I am not a crook.'

We know, at the very least, that she was grossly negligent in her handling of classified materials. That is an established fact.

That isn't what we want running our country.

She should address this, in a real way, not the continued answer that she has done nothing wrong.

ETA:
The news media needs to be held accountable here too. They are letting her get away with this.

The media has been aiding and abetting a known felon in my opinion when looking at all the facts. They should definitely be held accountable.

a reply to: draoicht

Good information.

Can you make a definitive conclusion from any of that information?

We are all looking forward to the answers...

Apparently not. That has been my point this entire time.

I appreciate your agreement.

Edit:

Can you provide an official source for that which you quoted? All I have found is nutter sites.

a reply to: burntheships
The Clintons helped facilitate Agenda 21 during the Clinton admin so it's ultimately not surprising but the scope of it is like tsunami magnitude In my opinion.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: RickinVa

Intending to be legally bound, I hereby accept the obligations contained in this Agreement in consideration of my being granted access to classified information. As used in this Agreement, classified information is marked or unmarked classified information, including oral communications

That agreement only applies to information originated from government sources. The emails that you listed did not originate from the government. They originated from The CF.

It's that simple and all that matters, in relation to this particular topic.

Information that originates outside of the government that ends up as part of an investigation, such as the case of the CF, is not classified at origination because the government did not originate it. You admitted the difference when you said this:

The only time I ever heard retroactive classification in my 18.5 years in the intelligence community is when it is applied to things like the government taking over private companies

The CF, a private organization, had intel that applies to "Section 1.4 (b) foreign government information" and it was retroactively classified for investigative and FOIA purposes. THat intel did not originate from the government and was collected by the CF.

You just shot yourself in the foot.

Better than where you just shot yourself.

So let me be perfectly clear here:

You are still saying that this: (for instance)

foia.state.gov...

is not really classified and that the government agencies involved in saying that is in fact classified all made a huge mistake?

Your really saying that right now with a classified document email chain in your face... that it really is all just a huge mistake?

I keep reading that email and I will be damned if I can find that part you keep blabbing about where its confidential CF information concerning Northern Ireland.... I see Turkey, Lebanon and Syria....and I see Blumenthals name as the originator. But what ever floats your imaginary boat.

Totally BS.... my money is in the bank with the intelligence people who get paid to make those kinds of classification decisions.

You do make a great case for influence peddling between the Secretary of State and her private foundation..Congratulations... keep up the great work, soon I won't have to post any more..woo hoo.


I am glad you are enjoying your "security reviews" of all my posts.

Take care and have a great pre-indictment recommendation evening... see whoever tomorrow...same time same channel...

I keep hearing this faint sound of a fat lady warming up...


Oh yeah...you remember that little thing about the CIA saying that one of Sidneys classified emails was taken word for word from one of their own classified intelligence reports?

You don't? Don't worry... the FBI does.

a reply to: Profusion

Mrs. Clinton’s folks are preparing for the worst.

Thats kind of funny, since the worst that can happen is her being president.

Any day now

a reply to: RickinVa

is not really classified and that the government agencies involved in saying that is in fact classified all made a huge mistake?

I did not say that. I've never said that.

What I said is that it originated from the CF. That is obvious. If it is private intel, such as intel collected by corporations, it was not classified upon origination because it did not come from government sources. You already provided a caveat for that, which explains why something may be retroactively classified.

Your really saying that right now with a classified document email chain in your face... that it really is all just a huge mistake?

Didn't say that either.

I keep reading that email and I will be damned if I can find that part you keep blabbing about where its confidential CF information.... I see Turkey, Lebanon and Syria....and I see Blumenthals name as the originator.

The CF does "work" in all those areas, outside of what the US government does. That would include Northern Ireland which comprises much of the content within the 17 emails you keep posting about.

Just because you can't find a specific declaration within the emails that the enclosed info is property of the CF, does not make it so.

Totally BS.... my money is in the bank with the intelligence people who get paid to make those kinds of decisions.

You've already dismissed my link that quotes a statement from a DC lawyer that is an expert in this field in which he only expects a slap on the wrist.

Your money is in the bank for a biased, partisan outcome.

That has nothing to do with reality.

a reply to: introvert

Totally BS.... my money is in the bank with the intelligence people who get paid to make those kinds of decisions.

Your keep right on working on your theory of how Hillary is going to use influence peddling from her private foundation as an excuse for why her emails to Sid aren't classified.

Makes sense to me... bout as much sense as any of the other crazy Hillary excuses you dream up.


I will stick with the intell people and go with what they have said all along.....

classified when originated.

Sucks to be Hillary.

"You've already dismissed my link that quotes a statement from a DC lawyer that is an expert in this field in which he only expects a slap on the wrist."

You want me to post some that says she is going to get slammed? I can easily find some..it is the internet you know. Am I then supposed to cry about how you blow off my links to people saying she is going to get slammed? Grow up already. sheesh.

originally posted by: ThirdEyeofHorus
a reply to: burntheships
The Clintons helped facilitate Agenda 21 during the Clinton admin so it's ultimately not surprising but the scope of it is like tsunami magnitude In my opinion.

Indeed, William Clinton did facilitate Agenda 21, and surely there
was a hidden agenda planned out far in advance.

clinton5.nara.gov...

Few could have foreseen the subversion at that time.
And it was pre majority internent, the public relied news outlets.

a reply to: RickinVa

Totally BS.... my money is in the bank with the intelligence people who get paid to make those kinds of decisions.

I quoted a lawyer that makes his living on this very topic. Your bet is a fools bet, without more information.

Word of advice...don't be a fool.

Your keep right on working on your theory of how Hillary is going to use influence peddling from her private foundation as an excuse for why her emails to Sid aren't classified.

I didn't say that. Damn, your track record tonight is horrible.

I will stick with the intell people and go with what they have said all along..... classified when originated.

I've shown where that is not always the case.

In fact, you have shown that with your own words. Do I need to quote it? I shouldn't have to, but I will:

The only time I ever heard retroactive classification in my 18.5 years in the intelligence community is when it is applied to things like the government taking over private companies

The CF is a private organization. Thanks for proving yourself wrong. That was easy.

You want me to post some that says she is going to get slammed? I can easily find some..it is the internet you know. Am I then supposed to cry about how you blow off my links to people saying she is going to get slammed? Grow up already. sheesh.

Please do, Rick. The more you post, the more you step on your own toes.

Indulge me.

a reply to: tothetenthpower

You are CERTAIN there's no substance to the Kremlin story

because . . . ?

a reply to: SkepticOverlord

ABSOLUTELY INDEED.

I don't understand what is soooo difficult to understand for so many about 'flaky' sources.

My boss was the WORLD'S top expert on pre-Hitler ephemera, posters, pamphlets etc. etc. etc. And he noted that it was the MOST flaky groups that EARLIEST and MOST ACCURATELY said who Hitler was, what he would become and what he would do. And they were thoroughly accurate.

When the massive MSM is wholesale controlled by the oligarchy, OF COURSE the flaky groups will be MORE likely than the MSM to out hidden facts and truths. It's only logical.

And that is ALMOST independent of how flaky the group first publishing the facts and truths are.

The knee-jerk dissing of flaky groups is short-sighted and not well-thought out.

That may be one important criteria in weighing new information. But it also MAY be the least important criteria for judging validity or invalidity.

originally posted by: introvert
a reply to: RickinVa

Totally BS.... my money is in the bank with the intelligence people who get paid to make those kinds of decisions.

I quoted a lawyer that makes his living on this very topic. Your bet is a fools bet, without more information.

Word of advice...don't be a fool.

Your keep right on working on your theory of how Hillary is going to use influence peddling from her private foundation as an excuse for why her emails to Sid aren't classified.

I didn't say that. Damn, your track record tonight is horrible.

I will stick with the intell people and go with what they have said all along..... classified when originated.

I've shown where that is not always the case.

In fact, you have shown that with your own words. Do I need to quote it? I shouldn't have to, but I will:

The only time I ever heard retroactive classification in my 18.5 years in the intelligence community is when it is applied to things like the government taking over private companies

The CF is a private organization. Thanks for proving yourself wrong. That was easy.

You want me to post some that says she is going to get slammed? I can easily find some..it is the internet you know. Am I then supposed to cry about how you blow off my links to people saying she is going to get slammed? Grow up already. sheesh.

Please do, Rick. The more you post, the more you step on your own toes.

Indulge me.

Sounds to me like you are indulging yourself.

I am still trying to comprehend your point about this whole CF crap.

You and Hillary say it isn't classified... various Government reviewing agencies have disagreed. I can see that with my own eyeballs and so can everyone reading this if they care to take the time to look through foia.state.gov...

There is an active FBI law enforcement investigation going into this matter, not a security review.

You are trying to sell me on how she doesn't get recommended for indictment at this point by being 100% exonerated which has about an ice cubes chance in hell of that happening.

I can link you 17 government links that say otherwise.... if you can cough up one government link that proves your case,,, by all means post it.

You are taking the stance that 17 classified emails we can all see with our own eyeballs aren't really supposed to be classified. You are going out on a real long limb trying to claim you can prove they aren't.... the onus of proof is on you because it has already been deemed classified by individuals way more knowledgeable than your self. How do you and Hillary propose to prove your claim? In court? Oopsy.

And you think I am taking a fools bet for my stance on this? Get real.

I like Judge Nappy for the most part, although he says some things that I know aren't quite correct...but they are minor things.