Muhamed was a child molester.

Yikes, this should be interesting:

All cases of an adult having sexual relations with a nine year old child is a case of child molestation.
Muhamed was an adult who had sexual relations with nine year old child.
Therefore, Muhamed was a child molester.


This is the argument. The only way to prove the conclusion wrong is to show that one or both of the premises is false.

www.thereligionofpeace.com...

a reply to: Thetan

Don't say that in Austria you will get arrested.

a reply to: Thetan

Deja vu.

Just to correct this.

He married a 9 year old but ....

as far as I am aware ......

He didn't have sexual relations with the child until after 2 years.



It seems this makes a difference to some believers.

Most of our species has grown up a little, where this concept of a child bride sickens us .....

As It Should

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a reply to: pheonix358
Okay. Can you provide a link to back up that claim?

All cases of an adult having sexual relations with a nine year old child is a case of child molestation.
Muhamed was an adult who had sexual relations with nine year old child.
Therefore, Muhamed was a child molester.

Pretty sure that was widely known, also I'm sure most people can figure it out that the religion of peace and tolerance is just the opposite.

a reply to: pheonix358

That is still a child...

reply to: Thetan


I hit myself in the foot with a shovel for my mortgage!

...relevant?

Girls this same age (and younger) are still pushed into arranged marriages today - this goes well beyond Wahhabism. Look at India for instance, female child brides (to adult men) is common practice among many families and in many of these cases it's horrific what abuse can and has ensued - and that's a mainly Hindu nation.

IMO, there is no lower act of disgusting filth than an adult usurping the innocence of a child.

a reply to: pheonix358

Klown type answer......


seriously?!

To be honest, this happened hundreds of years ago. Attempting to judge the past through the cold microscope of the present is fraught with dangers.

That said. The issue here is whether these types of practices are prevalent within Islam and Islamic cultures today.

Well, there are low levels of very young children being married off and the "forced" marriage of child brides are a problem in some Muslim countries, as well as some other countries with backward cultures e.g. in parts of Africa. But sticking to Islam where this OP sits, we know that women and girls are second class throughout the Muslim world and their treatment is poor. It seem to me that wearing the burka and hijab are all about covering the bruises rather than oft repeated idea that it reinforces "modesty".

Incidental, some European countries are trying to tackle the problem of married refugees where the wife is actually legally too young in the host country and would be considered as child abuse for a local.

a reply to: Thetan

I tend to agree with your assessment.

Unfortunately, in the Abrahamic faiths, when girls begin puberty which is around 10 years old, they can get married in the "eyes of 'God'".

There are examples throughout history of child brides, even amongst royalty.

Its still a common practice today in some countries.

Today, child marriage is still fairly widespread in developing countries, such as parts of Africa,[8][9] South Asia,[10] Southeast Asia,[11][12] West Asia,[13][14] Latin America,[13] and Oceania.[15]

In the US, the age of consent was 10 years old until around 1920. In Delaware, the age of consent was 10yo until 1972...

A Mound man accused of abusing his niece told police that his behavior was biblically justified.

Sorry but religion = fail.

A child in most Western countries is determined to be any person up until they reach the age of 16, then they are determined to be 'mature enough to understand and appreciate the ramifications of having sex' or put another way, 'are able to offer informed consent to sexual activities', (know what they're doing sexually and can agree or decline sexual advances)

In some scandanavian countries this drops to 15 years.

So if Islam believes their prophet had sex with a child of 9 years, or 10 or 11 years..that then according to the overwhelming majority of Western countries would be considered definite child sexual abuse, as the child would not be mature enough to offer informed consent to sex, or put another way, was being sexually abused by an adult.

But...centuries ago, in a Middle eastern region things were probably a lot different in this regard...as they were obviously not as sophisticated in their laws and appreciation for Human rights back then.

There is an argument as to whether they are still, certainly in the treatment and appreciation of Women and girls they are certainly much less sophisticated than the West and the East, and still have a long way to go in terms of overall Human rights.

The conclusion is basically, it's not really anyone's business how middle eastern people treat their own people but their own...if the people don't like it, they can rise up and kill their oppressors and change their own systems...it's not any of our business.

The problem here is that it was 800 AD or there abouts. And the middle east. Pedophilia was still an unformed concept back then. You can't judge a historical figure by today's standards. It's a bit like giving Doc Brown from Back to the Future a speeding ticket for 90 mph.. When he was in the 1800's . Before there was a law or even public disapproval on the subject.

a reply to: ntech
So are you refuting premise one?

a reply to: paraphi

Well, there are low levels of very young children being married off and the "forced" marriage of child brides are a problem in some Muslim countries, as well as some other countries with backward cultures e.g. in parts of Africa.

And Utah?
www.thedailybeast.com...


Aberrations are aberrations.
And societal mores evolve. Much of what was acceptable in the past needs to stay there.

a reply to: ntech

There is truth in what you say...
But do you think these younger girls taken for marriage are taken to be true partners as equals or sex slaves?
For Mohammed to have considered his child bride his equal he must have had the mentality of a child himself... Now I will not disagree with you if this is your premise...
And should you so choose to see these child brides solely for sexual gratification... Surely you would agree they are than being disrespected...And not put upon a pedestal and cared for as the LORD did command...

a reply to: Thetan

Aren't you that scientology guy?

People in glass houses... If so.

a reply to: MysterX

So then. Can we stop sending aid to these countries that practice this crap?

a reply to: ntech

You're seriously using Back to the Future to make a correlation to raping a child and driving faster than a present day speed limit? Wow.