Russia Hacked Hillary's Email; Kremlin Debating Whether to Release 20K Emails

a reply to: DISRAELI

Trump is pretty much a "pro-Russia" candidate. They probably see him as someone they can work with. Just look at some of his statements about Russia and it's not too hard to fathom.

a reply to: DISRAELI

Blackmail.

I hope that they do release them, it's not a slap in the face to America for them to turn out perpetual criminals. I think that us regular citizens would consider it a good will gesture toward the American people.

a reply to: MysticPearl

Let's break down the links:

"The Kremlin is debating" - So this is the principle "evidence" some crap from Sorcha Faal? That's a Sorcha Fail. You've got a blog post "report" (lol) that makes some claims about a "report" that is allegedly circulating in the Kremlin. The report isn't leaked apparently as there is no link to the alleged document. Nor is a source cited for the claims of the existence of this document.

That's Jim Hoft's primary source, the rantings of a pseudonymous crank who makes Alex Jones look like a journalist.

Moving along...

"Hillary Clinton’s ‘hacked’ Benghazi emails: FULL RELEASE." - a link to the 2013 RT article which clearly states that Sid Blumenthal's AOL account was the source of the e-mail (the picture of which appears in the Sorcha Faal "report" and the Jim Hoft blog post.) Yet somehow Jim Hoft feels okay (oh yeah, utter lack of honesty and integrity, that's how) to characterize the content of the RT article this way:

"The report notes that shortly after Russia obtained Clinton’s emails, they released a limited amount to RT TV"

Notice that the "report" he keeps referring to is the Sorcha Faal blabbering. The emails that RT published were from Sid Blumenthal's AOL account, not the server.

"Associated Press reported" - doesn't actually lead to an AP story but rather a WND article entitled "HILLARY EMAILS NEARLY HACKED BY RUSSIA" which is about some completely unidentified malware (if it's even malware) being described by WND as "hacking tries" (ugh.) Nothing of real substance here either and even WND which has almost no standards cautions that there's no evidence that the emails (with whatever payload they had) were ever even opened.

"separate reports" - link to a Fox news story in which Guccifer told Fox News that he broke into Clinton's email server (so unsubstantiated bragging?). Fox News being a bit above Jim Hoft's garbage at least, notes:

"Fox News could not independently confirm Lazar’s claims."

"so did at least 10 others" - links back to TGP. Turns out the separate "reports" aren't even separate, ones a direct link to the Fox news story above and the second is a link to a blog post on TGP about the Fox News article. This btw is the relevant "evidence" from that interview:

The 44-year-old Lazar said he first compromised Clinton confidant Sidney Blumenthal’s AOL account, in March 2013, and used that as a stepping stone to the Clinton server. He said he accessed Clinton’s server “like twice,” though he described the contents as “not interest[ing]” to him at the time.

“I was not paying attention. For me, it was not like the Hillary Clinton server, it was like an email server she and others were using with political voting stuff,” Guccifer said… …In the process of mining data from the Blumenthal account, Lazar said he came across evidence that others were on the Clinton server. “As far as I remember, yes, there were … up to 10, like, IPs from other parts of the world,” he said.

Funny that he doesn't mention having downloaded 20,000 emails in the midst of this vague, absent minded bragging. Also strange (and by strange, I mean disingenuous) is the conflation of Sid Blumenthal's AOL account and the Clinton email server (again). 10 IPs from other parts of the world on Sid Blumenthal's AOL account he thinks? Setting aside the fact that it has nothing to do with Clinton's email server directly, what is probably being referred to is his hazy recollection of IPs that had accessed the AOL account of Sid Blumenthal — likely Sid Blumenthal himself accessing his AOL acount while travelling.

There's absolutely nothing of substance in this blog post by Jim Hoft.

The more I see how easily people are mislead with crap like this, the more I wonder why I don't just throw up a blog, say random unsubstantiated crap that people want to hear and rake in the advertising dollars from hapless suckers eagerly gobbling down clickbait propaganda.

originally posted by: xuenchen
Blackmail.

Possibly,but then that suggestion comes up against this response;

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
I'm kind of thinking that if the Russians have this much leverage over a potential president, why would they give it away now?

If the Russians have these e-mails, the discussion on going it whether releasing them helps Russia, or hurts Russia.

They release, and Clinton is elected, guess what, it hurts them badly. They'll have an American President who is, at the least, very angry with them.

They release and someone else is elected? Just how cold will the relationship be anyway? I know I wouldn't be real impressed with 'em...

Personally? I think I hold on to 'em 'til after the election. She loses, what's the point? She wins, and things aren't going well for Russia, you release, if there's anything in there worth releasing. You gut her Presidency, rendering her impotent for the remainder of her time in office.

That's what I'd do.

originally posted by: Xcathdra
a reply to: MysticPearl

That would be a dangerous door for Russia to walk through considering it can be seen as Russia directly interfering with US presidential elections. Since Putins own elections are coming up...

I thought all the emails were recovered?

I think interfering with US anything is what Putin is all about. What you call dangerous is actually Putin's foreign policy.

a reply to: seagull

It helps Russia in the long run.

We are witnessing controlled opposition in deep format.

People will automatically dismiss as trash.

Then later, Russia holds all 52 cards.

a reply to: RomeByFire

So your argument is essentially, don't post any foreign media sources as that equates to "praising" them?

That's a nice attempt to immediately cut off any foreign source and severely limit dialogue which has the inverse implication, only post American media sources because those are the only sources worthy of your personal praise.

a reply to: xuenchen

Oh, if it helps Russia/Putin in the long run to release, he'll do just that. Release 'em, and laugh while doing so.

I just don't think it'll happen, if it does, until after the dust from the election settles.

Hillary gets elected? Release 'em the day before her inaugural address...

Keep in mind...China and Russia's enemies may also have hacked Crooked Hillary's super-secret private bathroom closet server.
The Russians would probably know if others hacked it since they did.

Releasing it nullifies the ability of any of Russia's enemies blackmailing a future Crooked Hillary POTUS.

The pros for Russian releasing may very well outweigh the pros of Russia keeping it and using themselves.

a reply to: MysticPearl

BTW, here's a post about Sorcha Faal from Mirthful Me

Sorcha Faal... Internet Hoax Queen Courtesy of David Booth...

On almost a weekly basis some outrageous claim is made in an ATS thread, and usually the topic is centered on the demise of civilization as we know it. Here are some recent threads that are based on Sorcha Faal's "research" and "insight."

So why does David Booth/Sorcha Faal perpetrate this fraud? Apparently it is an excellent way to solicit money, and to promote his/her/its book

But he's not... He's still coming up with hoax after hoax... Most likely using the "Sorcha Faal" moniker because his name has been tied to hoax's, plagiarism and other unsavory undertakings. Why feed David Booth's need to yank on the collective internet user's chain? Why do people drink the Kool-aid and hang on to a particular story's veracity? Is it because it reflects their personal world view, or beliefs? I'm not sure... But I am sure that every time I see a Sorcha Faal article referenced the possibility of "Deny Ignorance" has been greatly reduced regarding that particular topic. I hope this helps some of the members and guests of ATS understand the true nature of the Sorcha Faal/David Booth viral hoax campaign... [edit on 24/9/2007 by Mirthful Me]

You should realize that Jim Hoft is the sort of unscrupulous person who will not only foist garbage from a known hoaxer on you but will try to disguise it behind links and words like "report" to make you that much more inclined to believe it.

Hopefully people reading this will hold him to task and stop frequenting TGP.

originally posted by: theantediluvian
a reply to: MysticPearl



The more I see how easily people are mislead with crap like this, the more I wonder why I don't just throw up a blog, say random unsubstantiated crap that people want to hear and rake in the advertising dollars from hapless suckers eagerly gobbling down clickbait propaganda.

Yes, let's just sit here and pretend there's nothing to this. It's all just a witch hunt.

A simple enough determination would be if anything released by Russia (yes, I know this is conditional upon Russia actually releasing anything) matches up with whatever the FBI is sitting on that hasn't been released yet, or of any of the redacted material that can be found at the State Department FOIA reading room.

If they've got anything matching that, then hacked Hillary's server was; regardless of Sorcha Faal reporting.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Well done. Excellent post.

It's sad that it will go mostly unnoticed or dismissed.

What can I say, people are more interested in fantasy.

a reply to: onequestion

I doubt this source.

That is not the same thing as doubting the Russians.

Mr. Robert Gates has said he believes they did. He was Defense Secretary.

a reply to: theantediluvian

Are you saying that the Russians didn't hack the servers?

These are the Russians we're talking about. Their intelligence services are just about the best around, and have been since the Revolution.

If any foreign intelligence service has 'em, it'll be toss up between the Brits, Israelis, and Russians as to who got 'em first.

a reply to: MysticPearl

Yes, let's just sit here and pretend there's nothing to this. It's all just a witch hunt.

To what? There's absolutely no evidence of anything that this thread is about, period. It's essentially a hoax. If I'm wrong, prove me wrong. If I'm right, then you should probably ask yourself why you and others are being sucked into putting so much stock into every single one of these breaking non-developments.

Every other week there is some little bit of nothing trickled out to keep the interest up. I guess after a while, there's a need to believe that there is some explosive story just around the corner.. over and over and over and over and over again.

How about 1000 strikes and the right-wing media is out?

Russia would like Trump if you please..

Russia would like UK out of the EU if you please.

Russia will not blame any Russia influence in the MH 17 massacre --- Check

Russia deems all Syrians not supporting Assad are terrorists---Check

Wakey Wakey soviet games are live..

a reply to: xuenchen

The FBI will not be the only people seeking to influence the direction this takes.

One way or another this is likely to be the biggest breach of State security in modern history. The fact that it happened at the hands of someone with such a flexible concept of the truth is just going to make it more fun to watch.

It has been said the best disinformation is more than 90% truth.