Liberals Attack Trump Supporter in a wheechair.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ElectricUniverse
Your first and last examples are pretty close to (though not exactly) what you said. The one in the middle, not so much.

But again, do you think that making broad generalizations is ok? If not, is that the point of this thread? To point out the absurdity of such rhetoric?

Do you consider a raising of voices to be a violent attack?

Not so much?... really, so the claim that what draws people to Trump is authoritarianism is not a false statement?... Humm, wonder why you would make such a claim when that is exactly what that member was implying...

BTW, show me where i wrote "it was a violent attack" that first.

Second, there is a part in the video where a thud is heard and the man in the wheelchair puts down the camera as that thud was heard. It is possible he was pushed in the back and it turned into a shoving match and not just a verbal attack. Anyway, even a verbal attack is still an attack is it not?...

a reply to: ElectricUniverse


Ummm...just take a gander at the responses you've received in your thread...from all the "usual suspects"...

To...them...that type of behavior is not only justified...but warranted...and they encourage it with every post they author...They claim it by their inability to see the irony and double standard...They wallow like swine claiming their excrement doth not stink...as they wade in it up to their gills...

When they find nothing wrong with the acerbic hatred illustrated...they merely paint themselves within the context of that video...Their message is that of agreement...they are betraying association to hate...yet will claim that those on the other side of that same coin are the true progenitors of said...

What a marvelously telling portrait...a gaggle of venom spewing bigots...decrying perceived affront...over a mere campaign button...All that...while claiming the high road as they point...spew their hate...castigate and denigrate...

High theater indeed...

Bravo...class...bravo...




YouSir

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

so the claim that what draws people to Trump is authoritarianism is not a false statement?.

The claim is from a survey which found that to be the case, is it not?

But I'm not sure it's derogatory to say that people (and not just Republicans) are drawn to Trump because of his authoritarian message. Or, more accurately, it is people who are drawn to authoritarianism are drawn to Trump.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

No, that is what the man in the wheelchair posted, it's not what I wrote... I can't answer for what he wrote,
but I am posting what he wrote

Yet it was YOU who chose to post those remarks here. That IS your responsibility. No claiming, don't shoot the messenger, I'm only a messenger here"..You are not a messenger. You chose to post this which you then need to defend.

a reply to: YouSir

They're dogmatic liberals, what do you expect?

originally posted by: ElectricUniverse

originally posted by: windword

Also, it isn't just liberal that are anti-Trump. The "Never Trump: movement are conservative republicans.

Those other conservatives don't write slogans of "no racism, no fascism, no Trump"... Do you see any difference with that slogan to the slogan used by conservatives that are not in favor of Trump?

No. No difference.

Are you saying that conservative are FOR racism and fascism? Are you saying that no conservative Republicans perceive racism and fascism coming from the Trump campaign?

The "Never Trump" movement leaders have publicly decreed that they will do "whatever it takes" to stop Trump.

Republicans of good conscience — including officeholders, operatives, donors and candidates — need to make clear that they will do whatever it takes to stop Trump.
www.washingtonpost.com...

originally posted by: Phage
Your first and last examples are pretty close to (though not exactly) what you said. The one in the middle, not so much.

But again, do you think that making broad generalizations is ok? If not, is that the point of this thread? To point out the absurdity of such rhetoric?

Do you consider a raising of voices to be a violent attack?

So you are talking about this one?...

originally posted by: introvert
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While I have been one to admit that I believe Trump appeals to the lowest common denominators among us, it appears that I was incorrect in that what really draws people to Trump is the authoritarian nature of his message. Authoritarian messages do not just appeal to Republicans, as is stated in the article, but it does seem as though they have the data to suggest authoritarians are moving further to the Right.
...

www.abovetopsecret.com...

So he admits that he believes that Trump appeals to the "lowest common denominators among us".... But wait, he does say he was incorrect, but the part he says he is incorrect about is to proclaim that it is because he believes that it is authoritarianism that draws people to Trump... And you Phage want to stand/sit there and proclaim that member is not trying to convey the sentiment from other liberals who claim similar things?... Really Phage? It doesn't seem that your logic has any logic at all Phage.

Oh, and of course you seem to think that when that member proclaims that "Trump appeals to the lowest common denominators among us" he wasn't demeaning and insulting people who back Trump?... Really Phage?...

a reply to: windword

The "Never Trump" movement leaders have publicly decreed that they will do "whatever it takes" to stop Trump.

Oh well.
Better luck next time.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

And you Phage want to stand/sit there and proclaim that member is not trying to convey the sentiment from other liberals who claim similar things?.

Actually, what I am pointing out is that gross generalizations about people are absurd.

a reply to: Phage

I don't think they've given up. I think they've just changed their strategy. Even the conservative icons, the Koch brothers, are advocating for Hillary as the better choice.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: ElectricUniverse

so the claim that what draws people to Trump is authoritarianism is not a false statement?.

The claim is from a survey which found that to be the case, is it not?

But I'm not sure it's derogatory to say that people (and not just Republicans) are drawn to Trump because of his authoritarian message. Or, more accurately, it is people who are drawn to authoritarianism are drawn to Trump.

Totally the opposite. Trump supporters are drawn to Trump's anti-authoritarian stance on government. Everything he upholds is AGAINST authoritarian schemes and agendas.

a reply to: NoCorruptionAllowed

Ok.

I guess the survey was wrong then.

originally posted by: windword
a reply to: Phage

I don't think they've given up. I think they've just changed their strategy. Even the conservative icons, the Koch brothers, are advocating for Hillary as the better choice.

That only shows that Hillary and Sanders are pawns of the elites, meanwhile both the main left and right politicians are attacking Trump who for all intent and purpose doesn't seem to side with the elites' plan.

a reply to: YouSir

So you claim that those who find the op to be full of unreasonable assumptions then denigrate the original post.
You then do what. Say:

1...

The usual suspects.

Casting them as a cabal of known criminal types.
That's denigration.



2,,,

To...them...that type of behavior is not only justified...but warranted. and they encourage it with every post they author...

That's unadulterated denigration


3,,,

They claim it by their inability to see the irony and double standard...They wallow like swine claiming their excrement doth not stink...as they wade in it up to their gills...

Swine? Excrement" Stink? Gills? No, that's not denigration, that's down right mind blowing imagery and completely over the top hatred, which if you don't mind me saying, you were using as an aspersion upon ,,,them...

4,,,

When they find nothing wrong with the acerbic hatred illustrated...they merely paint themselves within the context of that video...Their message is that of agreement...they are betraying association to hate...yet will claim that those on the other side of that same coin are the true progenitors of said...

OMG. Did you just do to them what you claim they do to others?

What a marvelously telling portrait...a gaggle of venom spewing bigots...

What? I thought you were decrying a gaggle of venom spewing bigots. Well I do not know if you are a bigot but you have certainly proven to be a venom spewing 'something' with your post.

And to finish my time with you I would like to paraphrase your last sentence...You simple decry a perceived affront...over a mere reply...All that...while claiming the high road as you point...spew their hate...castigate and denigrate...

originally posted by: Phage

Actually, what I am pointing out is that gross generalizations about people are absurd.

No, what you have been doing is claiming I wrote things I never wrote... You keep attacking my argument by trying to poke holes into my argument with claims I never wrote. You claimed I generalized when it wasn't the case, you claimed I wrote it was a violent attack when never did I write such a thing, and when you asked for evidence of some ATS liberals making threads and posts making the overall claim "all conservatives and religious people are evil" you kept trying to poke holes by dissecting their comments and claiming since they didn't say in specific that "everyone who is a conservative is evil" then my argument is false... That's what you have been doing Phage.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

(Since the other thread was closed because it included a video that had been already posted, but since the attack on the man in a wheelchair hasn't been posted, here is that link and video without the second one. )

Thats because most the moderators are backwards.

You think they were talking about sports?... Or about the latest "survivor"?...

This is both of those combined. The stadiums are in halls and the teams are politician 1 and politician 2... The drama and the politicans attending talk shows helps to keep the public entertained and interested.

That's all voting really is, something worthless and inconsequential that provides entertainment for the mass's; No different from survivor or the walking dead.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

That only shows that Hillary and Sanders are pawns of the elites

Hillary and Sanders have nothing to do with any of these melees.

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

No, what you have been doing is claiming I wrote things I never wrote.

False.

You keep attacking my argument by trying to poke holes into my argument with claims I never wrote.

False.

You claimed I generalized when it wasn't the case, you claimed I wrote it was a violent attack when never did I write such a thing, and when you asked for evidence of some ATS liberals making threads and posts trying to generalize you kept trying to poke holes by dissecting their comments and claiming since they didn't say in specific that "everyone who is a conservative is evil" then my argument is false

What a terribly constructed sentence. But what exactly is your argument?

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

You may disagree with my particular comments on that topic, but what I did not do is make a blanket statement about all Trump supporters. That was the original premise you were trying to argue with Phage when you quoted my post. I did not make any vast generalizations.

Oh, and of course you seem to think that when that member proclaims that "Trump appeals to the lowest common denominators among us" he wasn't demeaning and insulting people who back Trump?

Perhaps it was demeaning and insulting. Oh well. I can't control your emotions. It was still not a generalization because I did not say all. I even said "Authoritarian messages do not just appeal to Republicans".

a reply to: ElectricUniverse

when you asked for evidence of some ATS liberals making threads and posts making the overall claim "all conservatives and religious people are evil"

I am not a liberal. I am a socialist and deny your accusation.

Are you making a vast generalization in assuming anyone that would say something as I did must be a liberal?