The Prescription Drug Epidemic is Deliberate..

a reply to: tothetenthpower

I can say from personal experience that this drug is horrific. I've never had it, but my mother is addicted and has a Dr. Feelgood. She has been in one car wreck because she was impaired. This will kill her, but she will not even acknowledge there is a problem.

I'm not sure what you mean by deliberate though. I suppose gaining profit from addiction is probably deliberate.

a reply to: pheonix358
Too late.

We have already lost.

originally posted by: darknewt
That kinda hit a nerve with me what you said,I started taking morhpine for lower back pain and after a while on it I thought morphine was easing my anxiety and helping my depression by surpressing it but when I came off my problems felt ten times worse 😕a reply to: tothetenthpower

Chronic pain can and will cause anxiety and depression in those who never suffered from it before they were in pain.

Pain itself is really misunderstood and not researched nearly enough. Why should scientists bother with studying pain? Docs can just throw some pills at it and that's that. Cancer and AIDS is where the money is at...

The medical/science community REALLY needs to do more research on chronic pain. Not all pain is the same...There's bone pain (like arthritis, etc.), post surgical/dental pain, musculoskeletal pain and then there is nerve pain.

IMHO, nerve pain is the worst because there are very few drugs out there that can treat it effectively. I bet research would show that the majority of folks who are chronic pain sufferers and who take the higher dosages/longer acting opioid pain medications suffer from some sort of nerve pain.

Thing is, the opiates really do nothing for nerve pain. It just floods the brain's opioid receptors, reducing the perception of pain.

I've suffered from all three types of the above pain...Musculoskeletal, bone and the worst one; nerve pain. The only thing that helped the nerve pain from a torn rotator cuff and nerve impingement was that TENS unit. I left those sticky pads and that little box hooked up ALL the time. Cranked to the max. It was the only relief I could find until the therapy and joint injection finally kicked in.

Pain pills just make me sick as hell. All of them...Years ago I fell down some steps and messed up my hip and back pretty badly. I kept getting sick from the meds and couldn't really do the therapy bc of the pain.

What did my doctor prescribe?? This new "miracle" pain medication for people "just like me" which was Oxycontin 10mg. This was in 1995 or 1996. That crap made me sick too...Except I was sick ALL damn day.

I can only imagine what the Purdue sales rep said and did to get that doc to prescribe Oxycontin to someone who had an acute injury from a fall...all I needed was some steroids, a good muscle relaxer and prescription Ibuprofen.

originally posted by: redhorse
a reply to: tothetenthpower

I can say from personal experience that this drug is horrific. I've never had it, but my mother is addicted and has a Dr. Feelgood. She has been in one car wreck because she was impaired. This will kill her, but she will not even acknowledge there is a problem.

I'm not sure what you mean by deliberate though. I suppose gaining profit from addiction is probably deliberate.

Why was she prescribed it in the first place? There is a big difference between addicted and dependent...

Does she always run out of her medication or does she take it as prescribed? Does she doctor shop, go to the emergency room for pain meds/injections, etc. Does she steal other people's medications or steal to buy it off the streets? Does she continue to these behaviors despite their negative consequences/effects on her life?

If so, she may very well be addicted. If not, and she is taking her medications as prescribed and has a legitimate diagnosis for needing these types of medications, then she isn't. Being dependent on a drug is not addiction. Diabetics are dependent on insulin in order to lower their blood sugar. People who suffer from severe chronic pain are dependent on pain medications to relieve their pain and allow them to lead a functional life.

I find that people tend to think someone is addicted when they are only dependent...There is a BIG difference between the two. Depending on a medication to relieve serious medical problems (chronic, severe pain IS a serious medical problem) isn't addiction. People CAN and DO take these medications on a daily basis AS PRESCRIBED by their doctors. They are not addicts because they depend on long acting opioids long term.

originally posted by: lovebeck

originally posted by: redhorse
a reply to: tothetenthpower

I can say from personal experience that this drug is horrific. I've never had it, but my mother is addicted and has a Dr. Feelgood. She has been in one car wreck because she was impaired. This will kill her, but she will not even acknowledge there is a problem.

I'm not sure what you mean by deliberate though. I suppose gaining profit from addiction is probably deliberate.

Why was she prescribed it in the first place? There is a big difference between addicted and dependent...

Does she always run out of her medication or does she take it as prescribed? Does she doctor shop, go to the emergency room for pain meds/injections, etc. Does she steal other people's medications or steal to buy it off the streets? Does she continue to these behaviors despite their negative consequences/effects on her life?

If so, she may very well be addicted. If not, and she is taking her medications as prescribed and has a legitimate diagnosis for needing these types of medications, then she isn't. Being depended on a drug is not addiction. Diabetics are dependent on insulin in order to lower their blood sugar. People who suffer from severe chronic pain are dependent on pain medications to relieve their pain and allow them to lead a functional life.

She is completely insensible by 2 p.m. every day. If she is highly stressed, she is inebriated 24/7. Unable to walk or carry on a conversation is not pain management and it is certainly not functional. Driving while in this state nearly killed her. Her use is not dependent upon pain, but upon other stressors in her life. She had a back injury some time ago and refuses to look into any other form of pain management or even treatment for the condition. Yes she runs out frequently, but it doesn't matter; her DO prescribes her whatever she wants so she does not need to shop around, all she has to do is say that she need more and whips out the script pad. My dad came home one day and she was passed out on the kitchen table, choking on foam and vomit because she took too much. So you go ahead and tell me if you think she's addicted since you're such an expert on prescription medication, addiction and apparently my mothers circumstance, you sanctimonious, pretentious f%&*#$!!!

One of my roommates is taking Adderal (Amphetamine, "Speed") 40 mg, Lexapro (Escitalopram) 20 mg, and Bupropion 200mg each every day. All of this prescribed by the same doctor. Two 90 Count bottles of 40mg SPEED at once! I kid you not.

Those pills could literally be sold for hundreds of dollars on the street. It boggles my mind. What could that amount of those pills daily possibly treat?

ADD/HDHD? The most commonly misdiagnosed thing there is..
Depression? Everybody is depressed in one way or another.

The only thing those drugs will accomplish is addiction. Guess what else? This roommate is currently breastfeeding. The prescribing doctor knows this. A baby on meth.

Only in America.
I wont even go into how I once overdosed and clinically DIED on a single OxyContin pill back in my rough years.

a reply to: lightedhype

I posted on page one about adderall! Bad stuff!

originally posted by: Biigs
a reply to: lovebeck

Adderal is an amphetamine, so its on the same scale as meth(amphetamine) - but you are mostly right in that it shouldnt be considered in the same way, but it does do the same thing on a much much lower end of the same scale.

Umm, not quite...
What is Methamphetamine?

There is only ONE methamphetamine drug on the market today. That one drug is called Desoxyn and it is rarely used. Mostly it is prescribed for those who have very low blood pressure, to the point of them passing out. They also sometimes prescribe it for narcolepsy that is resistant to other treatments/medications.

The big difference between the two is that METHamphetamine contains a METHYL group on the molecule. The chemical makeup is completely different than Adderall, which is dextromethamphetamine and amphetamine salts.

That methyl group is the main difference because it allows the drug to cross the blood brain barrier much faster and allows for higher lipid solubility, leading to a much higher potency and quicker onset of action.

Link

originally posted by: Quantum12
a reply to: awareness10

I don't have adhd, I agree with you it was made up. Doctors see it as money! Sad😪

Then you should have never been taking it in the first place!

And, if what you say is actually true, I am REALLY surprised you didn't have a massive coronary and that the doctor who you say prescribed that amount of Adderall still has a DEA number.

Sorry, but I have serious doubts about your post...No way any doctor would prescribe that much Adderall...Doesn't mean you weren't taking that much but I find it VERY doubtful one doctor would prescribe that amount. They just would not. And, while I am at it, what PHARMACIST would dispense it??

This thread is thick with ignorance on this particular medication...

OH it sucks, I was on medication for panic attacks for years, so we have this new dealio in our town to get people off certain anti anxiety meds.

They literally forced me on an anti depressant and a different anti anxiety med, said he wouldn't help me if I didn't take the anti depressant, I said I am not depressed, anyway it was either do what he said or have panic attacks.

I hate him, I feel like a zombie, I told him I have no ambition and feel worse, get this,

He told me I was lazy, GTFO

Now after a year I have to be weaned off the other , or rather I have to wean myself off, the new anti anxiety medication, they forced me to take even though I said I didn't want it.

Plus the pain meds, they are taking them away form everyone.

I don't take them, thank god.

So I am prolly gonna try and stop everything then tell him to FO

a reply to: lovebeck

I started off taking 20mg adderall, after 10 years I was taking 20mg in the morning 20mg at noon 20mg at 6:00 PM and 20MG before bed! True Story.

Do you take adderall?

originally posted by: lightedhype
One of my roommates is taking Adderal (Amphetamine, "Speed") 40 mg, Lexapro (Escitalopram) 20 mg, and Bupropion 200mg each every day. All of this prescribed by the same doctor. Two 90 Count bottles of 40mg SPEED at once! I kid you not.

Those pills could literally be sold for hundreds of dollars on the street. It boggles my mind. What could that amount of those pills daily possibly treat?

ADD/HDHD? The most commonly misdiagnosed thing there is..
Depression? Everybody is depressed in one way or another.

The only thing those drugs will accomplish is addiction. Guess what else? This roommate is currently breastfeeding. The prescribing doctor knows this. A baby on meth.

Only in America.
I wont even go into how I once overdosed and clinically DIED on a single OxyContin pill back in my rough years.

Adderall is NOT "speed." Stop it...If your roommate has ADHD and depression, then he needs these medications. Adderall 40mg is the max dose. And, there I HIGHLY doubt they are given a 90 day supply, unless you are out of the USA.

Adderall is a CII controlled substance. Therefore, in EVERY state, you can only receive a THIRTY (30) day supply of the drug. Your doctor can give you three months worth of prescriptions with specific dates of when they can be filled, but that is it.

Adderall is a freaking lifesaver for me. I was diagnosed with ADHD at 15...I did not take any medication for it until I was 22 years old. I went off of it for years, until my 30's.

I routinely take "vacations" from it and my 30 day supply lasts me about 45 days...Give or take.

When I do not take it? I am ANXIOUS and fidgety. I interrupt people regularly and just blurt ridiculous sh!t out of my mouth, sometimes. I cannot think straight because my brain races, with stupid worries and it thinks about things that do not matter all at once.When I say think, I mean REALLY analyzes the dumbest stuff that has no bearing on my life.

I don't pay my bills on time, I am SO irritable and grouchy because of the anxiety and the mind racing and a lot of the time I either cannot sleep or I sleep all day in order to quiet my brain down. Why should I live that way because people do not understand or are uneducated on the disease (which is VERY real, btw) or it's treatment?? I won't and, to be honest, those ignorant opinions have no effect on my life.

If you do not have ADHD, great!! GOOD FOR YOU!

But please, do not spread misinformation and BS about something you clearly know nothing about. I wouldn't wish it on anyone.

originally posted by: Quantum12
a reply to: lovebeck

I started off taking 20mg adderall, after 10 years I was taking 20mg in the morning 20mg at noon 20mg at 6:00 PM and 20MG before bed! True Story.

Do you take adderall?

I have been on Adderall XR 30mg for the last six years. I do not take the short acting, which is what I am assuming you were on. I cannot take that one, or Ritalin, due to side effects like nonstop eye twitching (Ritalin) and nausea (short acting Adderall).

My 30 day supply usually lasts six weeks because I take regular breaks if I am not working or doing anything important...That way I can stay on the same low dose, not worry about it losing it's effectiveness, etc.

I actually just took about a four month break from it all together. I had very little effects from stopping it other than sleeping constantly, being a total B to my husband and family, forgetting to pay my bills, and anxiety through the roof.

I agree that there are a lot of physicians who probably prescribe it to folks who do not have ADHD. But, I do...I have been tested twice. Once at 15 and again when I went back on it several years ago. My IQ is high but my ADHD is horrible...

The difference (for me) is like Einstein and Chunk from the Goonies. Not physically speaking, but you get the picture, lol.

a reply to: lovebeck

Have you noticed how inconsistent Barr adderall is? Cor adderall or the pink 20mg is always the same. Barr peach adderall never the same. My pharmacy would some months have Cor and switch to Barr.

Yes my my pharmacy would dispense 120 adderall per month for me.

Was I addicted. Yes. I never abused adderall. Did adderall help me calm down? Did adderall make my life bad? Yes, so for you I am happy adderall has helped you!

There's also the dark side of drugs meant to treat mental illness. These drugs cause physical addiction, but also come with a unique set of horrific side effects. They are massively over prescribed and more often than not make things much worse for a person. These drugs are also ridiculously easy to obtain, even for kids.

a reply to: lovebeck
My Doctor put me on Ritalin, I wanted to throw up. Cylert even worse. Adderall IR for ten years. I never tried time release.

a reply to: lovebeck

Never mind your on XR. You do not have to deal with Cor and Barr IR a mess

Cannabis is a superior analgesic to any opiod it's is not habit forming and there is no hang over feeling. That's what they want it to be illegal.

Benzodiazepines for example are one of the most dangerous drugs on earth.

Often prescribed for anxiety, Benzos, if used daily, physical dependency can occur very quickly.


The brain actually becomes physically dependant. If a dependency manifests, when someone tries to stop, withdrawal can last months, sometimes a year or more.

If stopped suddenly it's as if the brain recoils and this can cause seizures, potentially fatal in extreme cases.

This is a hellish thing to go through but doctors wont usually tell you about this and they'll prescribe it in too high of a dose for too long.

Antidepressant drugs have withdrawal symptoms that are very similar to benzodiazepine withdrawal symptoms and they give those out in sample packs!

a reply to: GoShredAK

I had a close friend addicted to Benzodiazepines, he called them Benzos. He tried to quit taking Benzodiazepines, he ended up drinking a fifth of Jack one night and overdosing on his Benzodiazepines.

He never work up. Sad