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Originally posted by AtheiX
I've changed my tank rating. The current tank ranking is:
9. T-80
Originally posted by MickeyDee
Ask any British tank commander and they'll all tell you that although Brit and US tanks are equal in many ways, there isnt a tank on planet earth that can fire whilst on the move like the Challenger 2 can. And when your flying across the desert with half of Iraq chasing you, thats quite a good thing.
Originally posted by MickeyDee
Ask any British tank commander and they'll all tell you that although Brit and US tanks are equal in many ways, there isnt a tank on planet earth that can fire whilst on the move like the Challenger 2 can. And when your flying across the desert with half of Iraq chasing you, thats quite a good thing.
Originally posted by MAVERICK05
im not sure what to believe. is the british challenger 2 better than m1 a2 abrams that the us has? DO YOU REALLY THINK THE US WOULD LET ANOTHER COUNTRY HAVE THE MORE SUPERIOR VEHICLES? my answer is hell no.
It should also be noted the original Challenger failed it field tests, yet when put into service during the first war in Iraq it proved to be a very battle worthy tank. In one instance during that war the tank scored the longest shot that killed another tank and set a new record.
Originally posted by rogue1
Why is the warrior so superior ? An RPG causes the same damage to a Bradley as a warrior. There is no superiority.
Originally posted by CTID56092
Originally posted by rogue1
Why is the warrior so superior ? An RPG causes the same damage to a Bradley as a warrior. There is no superiority.
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Warrior is probably the best bit of kit of its type in the World.
Warrior crew have walked away after a hit from an Abrams main gun.
RPG destroys Bradley, stops Abrams, but does nothing to Warrior / Challenger.
Many Warriors have taken multiple RPG hits and shown no marks at all. Some have been in running order although a little bent after 10+ RPG hits. Iraqis think it is blessed by Allah. Talk of turning it into a mini tank with new turret.
Abrams has cheapo Gen 1 Chobham, Bradley appears to have sod-all effective armour.
I'd call that superiority
Originally posted by rogue1
Hmmm, These assertions you make are notbacked up by your link and are quite frankly ridiculous. Nowhere does it say that a Warrior survived a 120mm tank round ( maybe because a 120mm round was never fired at it ).
Nowhere does it say that they can take a multiple hits from RPG's and have no damage - quite frankly that's the biggest load of BS I've heard.
In your link it says it is armoured with strong aluminum armour which in case you didn't know is not Clobham.
Oh yeah the Abrams uses some Clobham technology, but has DU intowoven in the armour to provide maximum protection, something the British don't have. It is far from 1st generation Clobham armour and probably more effective than 2nd generation Clobham.
Let's face it if the British were seeing as much combat as the US their warriors and challengers would have taken a severe beating with more than a few blown to pieces - lucky you're in a quiet area.
Originally posted by Lucretius
Oh yeah the Abrams uses some Clobham technology, but has DU intowoven in the armour to provide maximum protection, something the British don't have. It is far from 1st generation Clobham armour and probably more effective than 2nd generation Clobham.
Wrong again... the DU inserts cover 3 key areas of the tank and are simply some bolted on plates to protect the crew should the ammunition explode.
They don't actually offer much protection at all
Chobham 2nd gen is Proven the world most effective armour. Everyone knows the challenger 2 is the heaviest armoured tank in NATO, look it up in any millitary encyclopedia.
The challenger 1 saw the biggest action in the 1st gulf war and holds the record for the longest ever kill.
Incidentally the challenger 1 failed it's field tests and thus the challenger 2 was developed which has very little in common with it's predecesor. IN fact the Challenger 2 went on to "blow away" the field tests that the mk1 failed.
Originally posted by rogue1
The Abrams also clocked several kills over 4 km. I'm sure it was only a question that they were closer when they decided to blow away the tanks.
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