The two Jesus's Matthew 27:16-23

Matthew 26:26-22 NRSV

16 At that time they had a notorious prisoner, call Jesus Barabbas. So after they had gathered, Pilate said to them, "Whom do you want me to release for you, Jesus Barabbas or Jesus who is called the Messiah? ". For he realized that it was out of jealousy that they handed him over. While he was sitting on the judgment seat, his wife sent word to him, " Have nothing to do with that innocent man, for today I have suffered a great deal because of a dream about him. ". Now the chief priests and the elders persuaded the crowds to ask for Barabbas and to have Jesus killed. The governor again said to them, " Which of these two do you want me to release for you? And they said "Barabbas.". Pilate said to them, " Then what should I do with Jesus who is called the Messiah? " All of them said, "Let him be crucified!". Then he asked, " Why, what evil has he done?". But they shouted all the more "Let him be crucified!"


Jesus Barabbas. Two Jesus's at one crucifixion? That's some coincidence. And as the rabbis say, "Coincidence is not a kosher word."

Another "coincidence " is that Barabbas or bar Abbas, means "son of the father", or is it Father?

I have been looking into esoteric and allegorical methods used by ancient authors to convey certain truths unspeakable at the time but necessary to preserve and the best way is in plain sight so those " with eyes" can see.

So here goes my interpretation of the esoteric message transmitted through one method of allegory, repetition. The use of certain words more than once in close proximity means pay attention.

Jesus the Messiah was crucified in favor of the "notorious" but mysterious Jesus Son of the Father.". Meaning the Messiah was never meant to be the Son of God, just the Messiah who leads the Israelites to glory and for that matter the whole world. But fully human.

The Son of the Father, which is the New Testament way of referring to God, was a pagan concept and chosen to replace the Jewish Messiah King concept because to the Romans, the best Jewish Messiah was a dead one. The Romans chose Jesus Barabbas and made a whole myth based on old pagan ideas about the Son of God being crucified and raised from the dead then returning to heaven with the promise to return some day and really defeat evil. Its been 2000 years.

So I feel pretty comfortable with the idea that some ancient scribe slipped in a message that this is not to be read as history and the real Jesus was human, but real.

So he was correctly called the Messiah because he revealed that the Kingdom of God is within and the true Israel are the people who love God and follow Jesus's teachings and that of the prophets before him. Not just the Hebrew ones but they will do fine if that is all you have.

We are all sons and daughters of God. Jesus was one of us. He was an architect, not a carpenter. Significant difference as architects were initiates of the Temple as well as literal architects or masons. The mysteries and priesthoods revolved around the temples and architects were the wisest of men learned in all the mysteries of the world. Jesus was so great because he combined the collective esoteric wisdom of the day into a much more streamlined path to enlightenment. The churches have done their best to impede enlightenment but his words are immortal and need only a healthy eye to absorb the wisdom.

Shouldn't the plural of Jesus be Jesii?

a reply to: CapstonePendulum

What Bible version are you using OP ?

a reply to: the2ofusr1

NRSV. I forgot to mention that the Jesus in Jesus Barabbas was omitted and then put back in because it occurs in the oldest texts.

Omissions are another rule of allegory. They indicate the will to conceal.

a reply to: dashen

That is funny.

a reply to: CapstonePendulum
What are you quoting...your title and OP are completely different. I'm as lost as you apparantly.

You see the problem with the story but choose to find some comfort in it, eluding to cryptic clues and what not, rather than acknowledge the flaws in the story. Everyone to their own.

Jesus was supposed to be a Messiah, I do not know why they made him into the son of god or a triad being one being. Nothing I have read in the bible actually says god and Jesus are the same being. Many Christians say Jesus was filled with the Holy spirit beyond anything a normal man can be. That would technically be a Messiah.

a reply to: rickymouse
Are you of a different faith or do you not accept the story of the Virgin Mary? I agree the trinity aspect was added at a much later date but was the Mary story added later too?

a reply to: GemmyMcGemJew

The Virgin concept is based off a Greek mistranslation of the Hebrew word Alma which means young girl to virgin in the Greek.

The author of Matthew thought that the Isaiah Immanuel passage was a Messianic prophecy but it was not.

a reply to: GemmyMcGemJew

The flaws in the story are deliberate clues to what really happened.

You just aren't familiar with allegorical methods and esoteric meanings.

How is what I am quoting different from the title? There are TWO Jesus's, I quoted that passage.

I am afraid you alone are lost.

originally posted by: GemmyMcGemJew
a reply to: rickymouse
Are you of a different faith or do you not accept the story of the Virgin Mary? I agree the trinity aspect was added at a much later date but was the Mary story added later too?

Didn't you just accuse me of finding comfort in flaws? Now you are doing it with the flawed trinity and virgin birth concepts, trying to find comfort.

That is one of the most blatant hypocrisies I have ever witnessed.

a reply to: CapstonePendulum
Cheers for the info about Mary. Much appreciated. I could be going crazy but is your title different to the passage you OP'D? I could be going crazy. Sorry if I am.

I'm seeing Matthew 27:16-23 then below Matthew 26: 26-22.

There is plenty of wisdom to be found in Christianity...or Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, etc. That doesn't have anything to do with God or religion, though. Is it so hard to believe that there was at least one person who decided violence wasn't always the answer?

a reply to: CapstonePendulum

Oh I find no comfort whatsoever in it. Just asked a question. Not quite sure how you can say I'm finding comfort in it. I'm sorry if my responses seem personal, that is not my intention. I just am not a fan of the alternative /cryptic meaning approach.

I am impressed with your knowledge though, just we differ on perspectives.

a reply to: GemmyMcGemJew

Its called the two Jesus's. I quoted the passage with two people named Jesus. One is Jesus Barabbas. Barabbas means "son of the father".

After I talked about how Jesus was an architect and not a carpenter but that was an afterthought.

a reply to: GemmyMcGemJew

That is cool. The cryptic may be daunting, but the benefits well worth the effort.

a reply to: CapstonePendulum

Nothing happens by accident or chance were God is concerned.

Remember how our lord prayed in the Garden, asking that if the lord the father willed it should be lifted from him but nevertheless the Lord will be done.

Remember also that he was the Lamb of God sacrificed for our forgiveness and then see it mirrored in Jewish tradition.
From BIBLEHUB.COM
biblehub.com...
"He shall take the two goats and present them before the LORD at the doorway of the tent of meeting. 8"Aaron shall cast lots for the two goats, one lot for the LORD and the other lot for the scapegoat. 9"Then Aaron shall offer the goat on which the lot for the LORD fell, and make it a sin offering

The scape goat was taken into the wilderness and released.
SO you could argue that Christ was the sacrifice for our sin's while Barabas played Scape Goat.
More detail on that ancient tradition here?.
biblehub.com...

There was a Man called Ron Wyatte whom claimed to have found the Ark of the Covenant but today most deny he was speaking the truth despite going to his death bed and being a man of devout faith and still professing the truth of this matter and died knowing he was dying sticking to the truth he professed, I actually truly do believe this man was speaking the truth and what is more if you read this page you shall see how it matched further the Sacrifice of the Lamb story and what is more present's an Ark which actually matches the biblican description rather than the hollywood version.
www.covenantkeepers.co.uk...

Of course the Sacrificed lamb would have it's blood sprinkled on the ark and upon the congregation of the jew's to wash away there sin's and that is exactly what the blood of Jesus does for us.

a reply to: GemmyMcGemJew

The Virgin mary story goes right back to the founding of Christianity, it was also a fulfillment of Jewish prophecy.
The oldest Catachysm (church tradition's) in the world is actually neither the Greek Orthodox nor the Catholic, it is also not the Ethiopian, Georgian, Egyptian or any other church but the Assyriac Orthodox Church of Syria and independant from the rule's of Nicea (indeed often at odd's with the Constantine church which tried and failed to impose it's own will over this older independant church) they held to the Maronite tradition, indeed most of what we see today is still in common with Syriac orthodoxy - they hold there mass in Aramaic though the language Jesus and the Apostles spoke in there day to day live's, also they were the church founded by the Apostle James not Peter or Paul but they do accept Paul as a valid apostle much to the Chagrin of they whom want to play Peter against Paul by reinterpreting the bible and whom are usually Islamic Scholars or they whom want to destroy the foundation's of Christendom.

a reply to: CapstonePendulum
I wouldn't say daunting, I just know myself, it would be life consuming and I know I will be a victim or my own misinterpretations. I would doubt the meaning of nearly everything . Then I would go crazy talking about the magic number 7 in the bible. I personally would rather my life was consumed by the cosmos and better understanding that. (Not saying it has consumed you, just that finding answers consumes me)

a reply to: polyath

Many have died for preaching that message. Even today it is looked down upon to be against American military intervention in foreign nations because we "are trying to bring democracy to the world." and other such excuses.

Violence is the universal method of maintaining power and wealth. Pacifists are the minority but I feel good about the future.

I have faith that God has a plan. No intelligence agency could come close to devising a plan like God's. But we don't have to know his plan to have faith in it.