On Topic: Freemasons controlls the Swedish town of Umeå

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: Annunak1

You replied: "People think it's just an innocent club but it's not. That's all i'm saying."...this too is insulting those those ats member-masons and a lot of families of masons.

And you are wrong. And disrespectful. Opinions welcome, but tact and consideration are important to. Especially to a club whose members are equal to you, and will possibly vehemently take offense at that statement.

*My family is buried in an all Masonic cemetery, and were wonderful, innocent and helpful community members while alive.

I know there are a lot of freemasons on ATS but i'm not gonna sugarcoat my opinion about Freemasonry. It was their choice to become a member of a cult organization. I have said all i have to say about this subject. We will always disagree so there is no point in further discussing it. I still want to wish u a good day at the end of the day we are all spiritual beings on an extraordinary journey

originally posted by: Annunak1
Everybody with a little bit of common sense knows the freemasons are bad. Maybe not the lower levels are but those with power and influence are.

The fact that most corrupt world leaders and man in high positions are freemasons are proof enough that it's an evil and corrupt orginazation

Will you please provide names of the bad and corrupt Freemasons that you are referring to? Past membership lists are now public knowledge. We have hundreds of years of history about the Fraternity, surely you can name a few wicked Freemasons with power and influence.

originally posted by: Annunak1
Everybody with a little bit of common sense knows the freemasons are bad. Maybe not the lower levels are but those with power and influence are. Power corrupts absolute power corrupts

Um...you got that quote wrong. And well, just no. I mean, yea, were bad, but just us high level ones. (the one's on ATS)

When you graduate and make the big time, you get a login here, and a check each month for $40 grand.

I honestly didn't think people still fell for bull# like this. And with the google and everything. Oh well.

originally posted by: Annunak1

originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: Annunak1
Everybody with a little bit of common sense knows the freemasons are bad. Maybe not the lower levels are but those with power and influence are. Power corrupts absolute power corrupts

Can you be more specific? My grandfather was a Freemason his whole life and a very respected member of his community. He certainly wasn't bad.

What i meant was is that the organization and the founders and top ranking members are bad (Politicians, mayors, head of police etc) Freemasonry is like Scientology. People think it's just an innocent club but it's not. That's all i'm saying.

what level freemason are you?

originally posted by: Annunak1

originally posted by: mysterioustranger
a reply to: Annunak1

You replied: "People think it's just an innocent club but it's not. That's all i'm saying."...this too is insulting those those ats member-masons and a lot of families of masons.

And you are wrong. And disrespectful. Opinions welcome, but tact and consideration are important to. Especially to a club whose members are equal to you, and will possibly vehemently take offense at that statement.

*My family is buried in an all Masonic cemetery, and were wonderful, innocent and helpful community members while alive.

I know there are a lot of freemasons on ATS but i'm not gonna sugarcoat my opinion about Freemasonry. It was their choice to become a member of a cult organization. I have said all i have to say about this subject. We will always disagree so there is no point in further discussing it. I still want to wish u a good day at the end of the day we are all spiritual beings on an extraordinary journey

I guess you just can't see the irony of your posts. You aren't a freemason, couldn't possibly know what we do, yet, you are quite sure you know all about us.

Why don't you demonstrate some of your knowledge and explain what part of the ritual you disagree with.

a reply to: network dude

Am i allowed to pitch in ?

- Freemasons evil? hmmm... I believe ideals makes people believe in anything..

- I could demonstrate the rituals, using another reference. I believe its not just you guys who practice/practiced "rituals" but id break the T&C on ATS most likely.. My problem lies with the basic structure because it makes it universal and moves out of reality.. Is it for everyone, no.. So to answer your question is Freemasonry evil, no.. But humans are and they fill out the ranks in freemasonry..

a reply to: PanPiper

Västerbottens-Kuriren is officially categorized as a tabloid. Tabloid articles should be taken with salt and a healthy serving of fact-checking.

The article is an editorial piece that presents a suspicious view against high-ranking officials, yet the article cites an unnamed, high-ranking, non-Masonic, official as its star corroborator of the speculations. irony? hypocrisy?

The high-ranking non-Masonic officials that are actually named in the article are only speculating: No examples of corruption were provided, no specific events or instances were uncovered, and no corrupt Freemasons were named.

No incident, no evidence, no story. It's a propaganda hit piece.

a reply to: PanPiper

to answer your question is Freemasonry evil, no.. But humans are and they fill out the ranks in freemasonry..

Will you please direct us to the evil humans that fill the ranks of Freemasonry? We can name tons of non-Freemason elitists, movers, shakers, and evil-doers,.... so it should be no problem to provide names for your allegations.

a reply to: Sahabi

I think you forget we are animals, but im pretty sure you are gonna say we are a divine creature, doesnt take a genius to look at an animal and realize how instincts works..

People are people regardless of what club they join.. Once you have more than 10 people involved there are bound to be some bad apples.

Regardless, I think the world would be a better place if more people reflected on masonic principles. Philosophically breaking down the similarities in the religions and philosophies in recorded history to try to understand one's place in society and achieve balance? Or listen to the latest bootie songs about money and clubs and think materialistic.. Or get hyper paranoid that your one stiff religious doctrine is under attach by Satan who created every other peoples, cultures, societies, religions, and philosophies against you and then you not only not learn from them but want to destroy them too.

hmm, I wonder who I would rather have a conversation with..

originally posted by: PanPiper
a reply to: Sahabi


I think you forget....

im pretty sure you....

Instead of answering my questions, you instead make assumptions about me. That's no way to debate nor converse!

Your view of animals is scientifically archaic, in my opinion. Animals and humans have instincts, but we nor animals are purely instinct-driven. Thanks to the dedicated efforts of research specialists, we have uncovered traits within the animal kingdom that were previously thought of as "human traits", such as self-awareness, language communication, shared/learned culture, premeditation and planning ability, emotions, empathy, compassion, individualized wants/desires, problem solving skills, creativity, tool use, architecture, farming, agriculture, inter-species friendships, individual personalities, and memories. Animals are far from instinctual automatons.

"We are a divine creature," you assume I'll rebut? I wouldn't put humans that high on a pedestal! I actually believe that all in existence is divine, all the way down to the subatomic particles.


Basically, you are now boiling your op and thread down to basic human nature? If that is the case, let me tell you that there are more non-Freemasons than there are Freemasons in the world, and non-Freemasons outnumber Freemasons in positions of power, influence, and prestige,..... so should Freemasons fear non-Freemasons? The reasoning and logic here is getting vague and confusing!

a reply to: AudioOne

Yes you are right, and i pointed that out also..

Problem is always people..

originally posted by: Sahabi

originally posted by: Annunak1
Everybody with a little bit of common sense knows the freemasons are bad. Maybe not the lower levels are but those with power and influence are.

The fact that most corrupt world leaders and man in high positions are freemasons are proof enough that it's an evil and corrupt orginazation

Will you please provide names of the bad and corrupt Freemasons that you are referring to? Past membership lists are now public knowledge. We have hundreds of years of history about the Fraternity, surely you can name a few wicked Freemasons with power and influence.

As if you don't already know. George Bush is a 33° mason. And the list goes on www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

But keep worshipping Abaddon

Karma does not forget

a reply to: Rosinitiate

YOUR QUOTE: My grandfather was a Freemason his whole life and a very respected member of his community. He certainly wasn't bad.
Of course he was a good man, most Mason's are, but like any group of people there are always bad apples in any barrel,that's life. They give thanks to their own interpretation of the supreme being, money to the needy, mostly business people and look after their own in later life years. They have a strict code that must not be broken, and no i am not a Mason, cheers.....

a reply to: Annunak1

the last president who was a mason was Gerald R. Ford. If you can tell me what lodge George Bush was raised in, Ill believe you.

See, it's sad, there are a huge amount of lies out there concerning freemasonry, and ignorant people don't seem capable of fact checking anything.


ETA:who is abadon? Wasn't that from Dan Brown books?

fiction vs non-fiction. Learn that a difference exists.

originally posted by: PanPiper
a reply to: network dude

Am i allowed to pitch in ?

- Freemasons evil? hmmm... I believe ideals makes people believe in anything..

- I could demonstrate the rituals, using another reference. I believe its not just you guys who practice/practiced "rituals" but id break the T&C on ATS most likely.. My problem lies with the basic structure because it makes it universal and moves out of reality.. Is it for everyone, no.. So to answer your question is Freemasonry evil, no.. But humans are and they fill out the ranks in freemasonry..

Well, I know the rituals pretty well, and so do the moderators here who are masons, so go right ahead, impress me.

Freemasonry is a fraternity that you must ask to be a part of. Nobody recruits members. And there is a bit of work involved to become a master mason. With those things in place, it has kept masonry as it should be. A group of extraordinary men who care enough to use their time to help others. Some of the most amazing men I have ever met, I found through masonry.

I can't make you learn that everything has two sides to it, that's kind of an epiphany you have to find yourself. usually after you have multiple kids and you have to figure out who is telling you the truth in a matter. You have been hearing the side pushing an agenda and using some fantastic stories. When you look into the other side, it's much more mundane and less exciting. (that one is the truth) But you won't find it looking at Christian hate sites like freemasonrywatch or other nonsense.

www.masonicinfo.com...

originally posted by: Misterlondon
They control the above top secret website as well..

now you've done it....

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Annunak1

the last president who was a mason was Gerald R. Ford. If you can tell me what lodge George Bush was raised in, Ill believe you.

See, it's sad, there are a huge amount of lies out there concerning freemasonry, and ignorant people don't seem capable of fact checking anything.


ETA:who is abadon? Wasn't that from Dan Brown books?

fiction vs non-fiction. Learn that a difference exists.

Ah i made a mistake. My bad

According to www.mastermason.com...

He only swore his oath on a masonic bible. Which still raises questions to me. But to name a corrupt and evil mason how about president Harry Truman. He gave order to create the Majestic 12 and keep the public ignorant for Aliens.

a reply to: Annunak1

So my mother, grandfather, grandmother...all and more relatives...l Masonic and Order of the Eastern Star(female alt.for Mason).....we're all cult members?

Now that's insulting me....and I never get insulted.

Ignorance blessed....thanks.

originally posted by: Annunak1

originally posted by: network dude
a reply to: Annunak1

the last president who was a mason was Gerald R. Ford. If you can tell me what lodge George Bush was raised in, Ill believe you.

See, it's sad, there are a huge amount of lies out there concerning freemasonry, and ignorant people don't seem capable of fact checking anything.


ETA:who is abadon? Wasn't that from Dan Brown books?

fiction vs non-fiction. Learn that a difference exists.

Ah i made a mistake. My bad

According to www.mastermason.com...

He only swore his oath on a masonic bible. Which still raises questions to me. But to name a corrupt and evil mason how about president Harry Truman. He gave order to create the Majestic 12 and keep the public ignorant for Aliens.

He used the same Bible George Washington used. Washington was one of those ebil masons too. Using his powers to create this nation. Shame on him.

I am just amazed at how you seem to just KNOW all about top secret stuff that nobody else seems to know about. Are you in the CIA or something? Please tell me you don't just base all this on internet rumors.