The Mandela Effect Can No Longer Be Denied: Berenstein Was The Tip of The Iceberg

a reply to: Jeroenske

There is zero residue. Anyone who thinks there is misunderstands the entire concept of ME. The very foundation of ME is that the only proof you will EVER find is only found in your memory.

When one then considers the issue with memory and confabulation, one must realize that the entire premise of ME is a joke, and that's exactly how it started, as a joke.

originally posted by: anotherside
a reply to: takocos

No one is going to change my mind on this.

I mean... enjoy hell then, I guess?

Blindly holding onto deception /is/ consistently warned about. The more you speak the more obvious it becomes that you never actually read the bible. Holding steadfast to the fallible teachings of man over the living word of god is /pretty clearly/ frowned upon. And obsessing over one misremembered quote rather than absorbing the meaning of the passage is just... pretty #ed up for any book. Not just a spiritual text but ANY book. It's not good for reading comprehension. All words are, all language is, is a type of symbology that has been agreed upon via a shared history. They don't /actually/ mean anything. We give them meaning via context. That's why all humans can't read all languages; because they don't have intrinsic value, value is thrust upon them. The important thing to take away from the passage you're misquoting would remain the same regardless of which predator will become herbivorous and tame. The POINT is that the world will be so peaceful that we can send out children out among dangerous animals without worrying for their safety. There are some biblical scholars who would say that these aren't even /actual/ creatures, but a hyperbolic representation for all worldly dangers. After all, how often are you shielding your child from a lion? How about a wolf? I mean back in the day, yeah, but now? Not you're shielding them from things like child molesters and people who think it's a good idea to shoot up the goddamn batman premier.

You missed the forest for the trees, because you're obsessed with your own mind more than the word of god.

originally posted by: takocos

originally posted by: anotherside
a reply to: takocos

No one is going to change my mind on this.

I mean... enjoy hell then, I guess?

Blindly holding onto deception /is/ consistently warned about. The more you speak the more obvious it becomes that you never actually read the bible. Holding steadfast to the fallible teachings of man over the living word of god is /pretty clearly/ frowned upon. And obsessing over one misremembered quote rather than absorbing the meaning of the passage is just... pretty #ed up for any book. Not just a spiritual text but ANY book. It's not good for reading comprehension. All words are, all language is, is a type of symbology that has been agreed upon via a shared history. They don't /actually/ mean anything. We give them meaning via context. That's why all humans can't read all languages; because they don't have intrinsic value, value is thrust upon them. The important thing to take away from the passage you're misquoting would remain the same regardless of which predator will become herbivorous and tame. The POINT is that the world will be so peaceful that we can send out children out among dangerous animals without worrying for their safety. There are some biblical scholars who would say that these aren't even /actual/ creatures, but a hyperbolic representation for all worldly dangers. After all, how often are you shielding your child from a lion? How about a wolf? I mean back in the day, yeah, but now? Not you're shielding them from things like child molesters and people who think it's a good idea to shoot up the goddamn batman premier.

You missed the forest for the trees, because you're obsessed with your own mind more than the word of god.

that's a huge misrepresentation/assumption about me.

Then you have misrepresented yourself, because all i have to go on is what you, yourself, are saying. And you are saying that you would rather trust your human, fallible memory over the living word of god.

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: Jeroenske

There is zero residue. Anyone who thinks there is misunderstands the entire concept of ME. The very foundation of ME is that the only proof you will EVER find is only found in your memory.

When one then considers the issue with memory and confabulation, one must realize that the entire premise of ME is a joke, and that's exactly how it started, as a joke.

Yup, this is exactly why it will never be proved or provable. Bad memory makes the most sense here. If all physical tangible evidence of ME changes, including pictures, why wouldn't memories change as well? If ME is really some sinister plot, it makes no sense. Memories are physically stored in the brain, similar to how digital pictures are stored on a PC, only the brain is much less reliable, since memories fade over time. If something in the past changes, the memories should change along with the digital pictures. The truth is, if something like that were happening we'd never know it.

originally posted by: Barcs

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: Jeroenske

There is zero residue. Anyone who thinks there is misunderstands the entire concept of ME. The very foundation of ME is that the only proof you will EVER find is only found in your memory.

When one then considers the issue with memory and confabulation, one must realize that the entire premise of ME is a joke, and that's exactly how it started, as a joke.

Yup, this is exactly why it will never be proved or provable. Bad memory makes the most sense here. If all physical tangible evidence of ME changes, including pictures, why wouldn't memories change as well? If ME is really some sinister plot, it makes no sense. Memories are physically stored in the brain, similar to how digital pictures are stored on a PC, only the brain is much less reliable, since memories fade over time. If something in the past changes, the memories should change along with the digital pictures. The truth is, if something like that were happening we'd never know it.



Aren't memories stored in the pheriperal nervous system and accessed by the hypocampus and the amygdala, not in the brain itself? Like that's what we were taught in my psychopharmacology class. The two brain structures interpret the way certain nerves are lined up, the SEQUENCE not the physical thing, is what makes the memory. And memories take a LOT of brain power to recall. But that's why you can get an organ, like if you get a new heart you can sometimes have weird random memories because the nerves that make up that heart are different from the ones you had there before, so when your brain tries to set them in order sometimes it'll misfire.

I guess it doesn't really matter because the main point you're making about memories being physical and not metaphysial stands regardless, I just remember being taught differently.

Yeah, I just googled it, and I was taught correctly. Your memories are stored in your entire body, not just the brain. But that's semantics. It just bothered me.

www.medicaldaily.com...

The only reason I remember this so strongly, is because I'm a huge comic fan, and in particular I love me some Wade Wilson, and he is CONSTANTLY just getting boy parts chopped off, and I remember thinking how bad that would suck because he would lose a lot of memories.

But yeah, not only are memories physical things, but you can transfer them in and out by changing the arrangements of nerves in an organ. Kind of like putting a flash drive in a computer. The brain is the computer itself and the peripheral nervous system is the memory drives. And it doesn't work how you would think. Like the memories of 'how to knit' aren't stored in your hands, it can be anywhere. You can get a lung transplant and suddenly randomly know how to knit.

a reply to: takocos

The concept you are talking about is vastly different and the article you posted even said that it's not 100 percent validated by science yet. Less than 15% of people with heart transplants experience this, and it is usually just impulses and minor personality changes. People claim to have dreams about their donors, but it's not the same thing as thing as getting a new organ and suddenly knowing calculus. Memories are stored by neurons firing in a certain sequence and when they are recalled, they fire in that same sequence from when the memory was original stored. I could see a heart transplant or other major organ, bring in neurons from the donor, hence certain personality traits carry over. That actually makes sense, but memories are primarily stored in the brain, especially long term memories. Neurons do travel throughout the body, but the CNS is pretty much an extension of the brain, so it's really semantics to say memories aren't stored in the brain.

www.quora.com...

www.human-memory.net...

originally posted by: Barcs
a reply to: takocos

The concept you are talking about is vastly different and the article you posted even said that it's not 100 percent validated by science yet. Less than 15% of people with heart transplants experience this, and it is usually just impulses and minor personality changes. People claim to have dreams about their donors, but it's not the same thing as thing as getting a new organ and suddenly knowing calculus. Memories are stored by neurons firing in a certain sequence and when they are recalled, they fire in that same sequence from when the memory was original stored. I could see a heart transplant or other major organ, bring in neurons from the donor, hence certain personality traits carry over. That actually makes sense, but memories are primarily stored in the brain, especially long term memories. Neurons do travel throughout the body, but the CNS is pretty much an extension of the brain, so it's really semantics to say memories aren't stored in the brain.

www.quora.com...

www.human-memory.net...

That's fair. I was just misremembering the exact lesson from that class. I'm almost positive that memories are stored in a /peripheral/ nervous system and central nervous system is mostly processing, and the peripheral is mostly recall. But i could totally be wrong, I don't have an internet source, this was from a public state university class like 10 years ago. Like i said, the only reason that I remembered it was the comic book connotations. That's the main thing i wanted to get across. That post was more supposed to be a nerdy joke than giving out actual information.

Like... idk if you meant it like that or not but saying something like "neurons travel throughout the body" which I assume you mean "neurons are found throughout the body" because neurons don't travel... that's not a thing. Neurotransmitters travel through the synapses BETWEEN neurons, neurons are stationary. But like... I'm not a complete #ing idiot. I have a body capable of registering temperature and pain and #. Why would you say something so horribly insulting to someone who made AT MOST a simple mistake. Just because I misremember one class doesn't mean that I suddenly forgot /literally # I can't possibly not know/. Like that's not even something one would have to go to school for. Yes, I know pain is a thing. Yes, I am aware the peripheral nervous system exists, I LITERALLY referenced it one post ago.

You literally just rephrased what I said already but in a really insulting, 'talking down to a person' way. I'm not two years old.

The central nervous system is not 'an extension of the brain', the brain is PART of the central nervous system. It also includes the major nerves running down the spinal chord. It is the processing center. What I'm talking about, the PNS, are /the rest of the neurons in your body/. The PNS are the neurons that fire in sequence to give memories to your brain to be processed, they connect to different regions and are processed differently. The articles that you linked are both really minimal and are for people who don't really work in the medical industry or with people who have memory diseases. I promise you that I know what I'm talking about, and I was going to let this go until you started acting like I was a goddamn idiot. Yes, I may have misremembered something or explained it poorly but that was no reason to treat me like I didn't have a middle school education.

You don't have to be an asshole just because my Deadpool joke misfired.

a reply to: takocos

I really don't understand why you feel my post was insulting or that I was treating you like an idiot. Just because I make a statement about how something works, doesn't mean I feel you don't know that or are a complete moron. You are being a little bit over defensive here. It's hard to detect somebody's tone via text, maybe you are reading it in a completely different way than I intended it. I've done that before without realizing it. Simmer down.

Besides, you started this whole thing by nitpicking something about my post that took us far away from the topic and off on an irrelevant tangent. I'm not an expert on the brain and nervous system, but memories are physical, and that was my main point in my original post there. When you explained things to me, I didn't accuse you of being an asshole. I don't even know what I did to rile you up so much. Maybe you don't realize this, but I don't know you. I don't know what your expertise is, or what kind of knowledge you would feel insulted by bringing up. Not everybody's an expert. I am far beyond middle school and had to look a lot of that stuff up to refresh my memory. I wasn't trying to insult you by explaining something.

I saw a picture on Facebook of the original VW logo on a pink van.

Not sure if this has been mentioned, but from another site:

"Hadn't heard of this one until today...

According to Wikipedia, Ed McMahon worked for America Family Publishers .... handing out checks, etc....

NOT Publishers Clearing House en.wikipedia.org... en.wikipedia.org...

Of course my only memory, the only reason I know Publisher Clearing House was Ed!!!!

YouTube video posted today: www.youtube.com...

Of course the host is commonly featured in Simpsons, which always features MEs: simpsons.wikia.com...

a reply to: Goldcurrent

“American Family Publishers was set up to directly compete with us,” says Publishers Clearing House’s Todd Sloane. “They were always a ‘me-too’ company. When we ran TV commercials, they would go on air with TV ads. They would do everything we did. So during the 1980s when there was a tremendous amount of TV advertising, people got these ads mixed up. They thought they were one-and-the-same.”

At the time, Publishers Clearing House really didn’t make any real effort to correct this misconception. “It was kind of a blessing. It was free advertising since people thought McMahon was working for us,” says Sloane. “It certainly didn’t hurt us.” And as a result, the association between McMahon and Publishers Clearing House became an enduring myth. “It was the combination of the well-established company and the well-established spokesperson,” says Sloane.

www.forbes.com...

a reply to: anonentity

I was in church one time....Catholic, if it matters....and went to Communion. We were in a small town near the lake, where we had a houseboat. My sister was behind me, and we were walking back to our pews, with heads lowered. My sister got into the wrong pew though, 2 rows ahead of the family. I noticed, and got her attention with a "psssst!". And she stepped back out and came to our row.

After a moment, she whispered to me, that that was me up there, next to where she had gone. I looked, and sure enough, except for slightly different clothes, it appeared to be me. Same hairstyle....which was a big white kid afro, at the time....and caught a few glimpses of him in profile, and looked just like me. I thought that was cool and resolved to talk to him after mass.

About five minutes later, when mass was over, I looked for where he was, and couldn't spot him. I basicaly ran outside to catch him there. Nothing. Just gone. She swore she was following me, and turned into the pew, no more than a couple steps after me.

This was in the middle seventies. And i was always sorry I didn't catch up with my doppelganger. It wasn't until the 90s that I considered some kind of quantum glitch. And I'll of course, never find out for sure....quantum uncertainty and all. But, it was cool. I looked every Sunday after that for a couple of summers, and never saw him again.

a reply to: Enderdog

Of course in the 70's., there was a lot of experimenting with mind altering substances

Lets look at this from another angle. Both sides here may be correct.

Maybe nothing changed except memories. Could there be an instance where memories changed for some,and not others? Some "force" pressured a certain portion of the population to believe false memories? (And which group is the "falsies" ? )

We see through a darkling mirror, and never consider that both sides show illusions amidst the mysteries.

is this topic dead yet ? this summer this topic grew with 1-2 pages a day almost. now nothing.
has people snapped out of it ?
has some people that was very active here gone insane?
what happened?

i would love to hear from those who discused this topic heavily before but then went silent

a reply to: VenatiusFortunatus

The changed memories would be the ones that don't match physical evidence obviously...

a reply to: anotherside

I saw Bigfoot.

a reply to: anotherside

how do you know you were not viewing a bespoke alternate VW badge ?

originally posted by: raymundoko
a reply to: VenatiusFortunatus

The changed memories would be the ones that don't match physical evidence obviously...

Yes, exactly. And the kicker is that whatever memories you have are at odds with reality in the 'here and now" . And with no proof, you become a poster boy for Straightjackets - R - Us.

However, such an idea is worth thinking about. After all, the first hominid to throw a rock was likely just a dreamer.

VF