The Mandela Effect Can No Longer Be Denied: Berenstein Was The Tip of The Iceberg

a reply to: raymundoko

nobody from sweden either.
every movie ive ever seen, that had that statue in it - ALWAYS have been "liberty island".
most recently, "Meet Dave" -2012 with eddie murphy.

but all the way back in the 80s/early 90s i remember it. (ghostbusters 2, IIRC)
she, and so many others here, (dare i say everyone?) is utterly lost.
im leaning not only on a psy-op - but a VERY sinister psy-op.
implanted memories being a part of it.

i can only pray they will recover... if not, next stop: Haldolville

originally posted by: tweetie
a reply to: game over man

I can't honestly answer that but as far as manipulating people's minds, in my perspective, no abductions would be needed. What I've learned is brain manipulation is done via all sorts of technology. For example, it can be remotely done generally or it can be pinpointed to an individual or specific group.

For the people who've had a history of abductions by the Greys, and I'm not an expert on it, I don't think there is a correlation between that and the ME which is purely my sense of it when reading your query. No one has done a survey on it, as far as I know, but it would be interesting to know a percentage.

There are many ways that human minds can be controlled by other people. The simplest way is by direct conversation, and anyone can do this. Some people on this thread have actually attempted to do just that, but they're so heavy handed with it that it becomes obvious...which is not an accident, by the way. But of course that isn't going to work on such a large scale as this, where thousands of people are targeted.

They'd have to introduce an agent to the entire population, which in this case appeared to start off as America being targeted solely. This could be a substance or some form of physical manipulation like EM field disruptions, or some technology we are unfamiliar with...there are many possibilities.

My question is, did they realize that English speaking people in other countries could also be affected or did they make a little oopsie and forget that detail? Also, was this just a test of that technology, to try it out? Or was it a screening procedure? Perhaps they've got other things planned as a follow up. So many possibilities...

a reply to: tigertatzen

you got it!
are you ready to come back now?
nope. of course not.
you just accept the MK-ultra mind control they have over you, and even relish in it.
with your magical thinking of false synchronicity.
why dont you resist?
its easy.
just say NO, and you break the spell.
whatever drug theyre using, if youre strong enough, you can resist it.
i did. so i should know.
but, relish being drugged and/or psy-oped - with your fellow me-ers, all you want.
i dont care anymore.
i did care, however, but - no more.
even the strongest and most heroic of super heroes need a day off to regain strength.

a reply to: tigertatzen

So now we know, unequivocally, that you have read ZERO of the scientific data provided. You've completely ignored it without questions. How do we know this? Because some of the data shows that simple conversation, or light reading is enough to completely altar a persons memory. No "agent" is required. One is even an easily watchable video by a renowned psychologist.

It doesn't even have to be sinister. Our minds play tricks on us. There is a reason English is the hardest language for non English speakers to learn. There are so many idiosyncrasies to the language that your mind can play tricks on you with what goes where or how what is spelled. Native English speakers easily fill in blanks when we read and auto correct words we think are misspelled. Those corrections stay in our memory, not the actual spelling.

It does seem though that you are coming around to the idea that instead of being a special person who is immune to the changing world, that you could in fact be the target of a psy-op.

still waitin on that cpr training manuals that prove agent mul - i mean tigers cpr method.
or did I miss it...
also the more I read from this person who I genuinely care (ed) for - the more I'm beginning to think she is a genius (evil) troll.
or, she believes what she is saying.
and that's scarier.
tiger, please. you're as intelligent as anyone can be.
start acting like it... peace

originally posted by: alienDNA
a reply to: tigertatzen

the trolls? cmon .. you know we aint trolls. you KNOW that.
stop trying to call us that.
I - at least - think ive proved im NOT a troll.
but , if you still feel that way, regardless of how many times ive said i care about you, i love my fellow man, i dont want people to get stuck in some insanity created by nothing else than their own imagination/experience/whatever - well..
ok. i will stop comment in the thread.

if you ask me now, to never say anything else in this thread - i promise you - i wont.
just to prove to you im NOT a troll.

deal?
tell me, if you honestly think im just trolling , tell me to stop.
and i PROMISE you i will never post anything here again.
but you have to be honest...

Trolls are...as far as I know anyway...fictitious little monsters who lurk underneath bridges and steal people's lunch money. So no, I am not saying anyone is a troll. If any of you in fact ARE such a creature...well I'm afraid I'll need proof of that.

I cannot imagine why my opinion on that subject would affect your decision to post or not, but it is not my place to tell anyone not to participate in anything here, nor would I do such a thing.

I have simply reached my personal limit of how much twisting of my words, insinuations that I am delusional, or uneducated, or in the thrall of some cult and various demeaning labeling by other people that I am willing to accept. It is completely counter-intuitive to continue entertaining that type of behavior. It's just that simple.

So no, I will not call you or anyone else a troll. I will not tell you or anyone else to stop posting here. I don't need anyone to tell me that this is being done deliberately, that we are being manipulated...I am already aware of that and have been for a while now. Long before I ever joined this discussion, too. This is simply more corroborating evidence for me.

Post whatever you please. I'm just done with the debate. It no longer serves any purpose, so I am dropping my sword and standing down. There are far more deserving foci for my energy.

a reply to: tigertatzen

It no longer serves a purpose because you are convinced the only explanation is your wildly fantastical one.

You are convinced your memory is infallible on these specific things and no amount of science can sway your opinion.

Your version is true because you want it to be true.

I knew you didn't think we were trolls.
(and you know dammed well you were referring to trolls with the "don't feed" comment. ain't that the way it goes? don't feed the trolls?)
I knew it.
there is still hope for you dear tiger.
I wish I could hug you.
in regards to what you are actually saying though... well.
I shall reply shortly, just need to catch my breath, I'm tired from saving others from insanity, so I need a breather.

a reply to: raymundoko

I just want to add a bit more to this post.

Many non New Yorkers, and even some New Yorkers for that matter, are not aware that Ellis island is mostly an artificial island. The area that is natural and sits on bedrock is too small for the Statue of Liberty, an immensily heavy structure made out of a copper shell with steel and iron infrastructure.

Liberty island, Bedloe island at the time of construction of the statue in the late 1800's, was also partly artificial, but the natural bedrock portion was large enough for the structure. It wasn't renamed to Liberty Island until the mid 1900's.

How do I know this? Because I lived in New York.

So for someone who isn't from New York to say the Statue of Liberty is on Ellis island is absolutely, perfectly normal. I just asked 20 people at work in our SC office and only 3 knew it was Liberty Island. Everyone else said Ellis. Why? Because it's a famous island in the river associated with people going to Ellis Island as immigrants. It's a common misconception.

a reply to: raymundoko

I never heard of Ellis island perhaps once, in a book, like 18 years ago or something.

liberty Island though, i heard a few times.
and yes, it's kind of strange that every single me can be explained by common misconceptions.


that's not enough though.
the problem is that the MEers ain't open to the most logical explanation.
and THAT is the psy op.
not the ME itself, but the fact that the logical part of their brain has been incapacitated.

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Yes, we could go round and round with this (what I see as a clear) relationship between the Mandela Effect and the fate of the Christian institution, but it is best left as a topic unto itself. I will just say that I have spent literally thousands of hours over the course of many years reaching such conclusions about Christianity, and the more that I now study this Mandela Effect phenomenon, I am beginning to have bigger concerns about a possible staged "second coming" of the below icon. Someone who, for many generations, has been ingrained into people's consciousness, almost from birth, as "Jesus."





It is important to remember what the ME is teaching us - to have a close relationship with our own inner-knowingness, and to be very sensitive to our own intuition, even at the expense of "evidence" and other tangible things placed before us. There may come a time to "resurrect" this issue, so to speak, but I will just leave it at that for now.

originally posted by: TombEscaper
a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Yes, we could go round and round with this (what I see as a clear) relationship between the Mandela Effect and the fate of the Christian institution, but it is best left as a topic unto itself. I will just say that I have spent literally thousands of hours over the course of many years reaching such conclusions about Christianity, and the more that I now study this Mandela Effect phenomenon, I am beginning to have bigger concerns about a possible staged "second coming" of the below icon. Someone who, for many generations, has been ingrained into people's consciousness, almost from birth, as "Jesus."

It is important to remember what the ME is teaching us - to have a close relationship with our own inner-knowingness, and to be very sensitive to our own intuition, even at the expense of "evidence" and other tangible things placed before us. There may come a time to "resurrect" this issue, so to speak, but I will just leave it at that for now.

There will definitely be a deception. Pope Francis has said some very intriguing things, by the way. But you probably already know that.

this is my first cross post ever, and if mod doesnt approve, thats fine.
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Mandela Effect - from realization to rejection - and the horror of seeing people fall down the rabbit hole and become officially lost: (please disregard spelling and grammatical errors, im from Swe)

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It started about 10 days ago, or a little more.
I was remembering Herbal Essence, and not essences.
I also had several other MEs, that so many others.

I joined the most active thread on it, and it didnt take me long to realize, that going further into this rabbit hole would be extremely dangerous and I could visualize the end-game of that very rabbithole, and there was no way out.

I got really scared - naturally. Cause there is no way to either prove or disprove an ME.
So i grounded myself, realized it was just a curiosity of the mind, memory conformity, common misconceptions, and so fort.

I replied to the thread, with a conclusion that this is perfectly normal.
I expected many people to agree, and also shrug it off just like i had.

But, to my terror (yes, fu**in terror, ill explain-), people seem to dismiss my grounded theory that its perfectly explainable.

I tried my best, with a big sense of humor, to warn people of this rabbit hole, as I, with a great deal of 'vision', had seen the end-game; Insanity. (or at the very least, depression and panic attacks)

This was met with great refusal, and dismissal.
I genuinely did not know why.
I thought "they are just trolling.. trying to egg people on.. trying to fool the gullible".
So I got upset. Cause that aint right.
So, that is what I said.

I spoke up.
I got attacked, got called a troll, and worse.
Its all there, in that thread, for anyone to see.

Anyway, I got defensive. I tried my best to now try and debunk this. To the best of my ability.
well. It was not met well.

I was confused.
I didnt know who was trolling, who was being serious, who was gullible, who were just plain insane.
I had no clue.

But, I joined the skeptics.
Im positive that this is something completely natural and normal, so, I saw it as my mission to try and save the people from the end-game which I had previously seen.
It was futile.

days went on, and seeing as im only human, i mightve gotten a bit upset at times, angry even, perhaps demeaning at times.
But this was not my intention.
My intention was to save people from this dangerous rabbit hole that is the Mandela Effect.

Anyway, time went on, and to my horror - I saw more and more people - who had previously acted intelligent, grounded, and reasonable - slipping further and further down the rabbit hole.
I felt desperate.

I tried my very best to save them - I tried EVERY tactic.
Love, rough love, MEAN love, harsh love, nothing worked.

So, I became cold. Methodical.
I didnt know what to do, tbh.

All I knew, is that I felt I HAD to do something.... I couldnt just sit idly by - as people became gradually more insane.
Well - im only human.
I get frustrated just as everyone else.

Fast forward a few days, and Ive now personally seen two people, going from reasonable and grounded - to COMPLETELY lost.
Unreachable.
Certifiable - without being demeaning.
Magical thinking. Schizoid tendencies.
Im serious.
Ive studied psychiatry for a long time and am very familiar with these terms, so Im not just throwing out words I do not understand here.

Alot of namecalling (on me, by them) later, I just said F it.
I dont care anymore (although I still do).

What the F can I do.
They dont wanna get saved, nothing works, ive tried everything i know.
Lost.

So what is causing this?
Every single ME can be explained by simple logic and basic science.
It is VERY simple.

But thats been covered time and time again. It doesnt get anywhere. They REFUSE to accept this notion.
So whats left.

I am now CONVINCED there is a PSY OP at play here.
Possibly a drug or a virus or something contagious like that.
But who knows.

All I DO know - is that logic and reasoning bounces off like throwing rocks on a wall.
Nothing gets through.

So, to conclude this story - these people ARE "infected" by something.
Either psychological or biological.
They are "affected" by it.

It is EVERYONEs job, to try and find out WTF is going on, and to rescue our lost humans.

a reply to: tigertatzen

Mandela Effect is the deception
but there is more to it

if you have energy for it, read my post above

and after you have, hopefully you can help us to try and figure out what the actual contagion is.
purely psychological, or is it biological? synthetic possibly..

a reply to: alienDNA

Thank you, that's a kind (and somewhat unexpected) comment. I wouldn't identify as 'an empath', but I do find that on occasion I can put myself in the shoes of another person, perhaps including those with whom I sincerely disagree.

I try to be intellectually honest, though I know that my enthusiasm sometimes taints my posts with what may seem to be a shade of arrogance. I don't mind criticising myself if I sense that I'm in the wrong. As an example, I apologised to Agartha, as I had most definitely swung towards hostility in my response to her post.

It's difficult to remain neutral on this subject, because I have genuinely experienced a host of these Mandela Effects. I'm trying to look at it from the standpoint of permissible logic, and have drawn on information that I've garnered over many years of casual research into esoteric & alternative topics. I do see this effect as being within the realms of possibility, albeit apparently quite improbable, if you are considering it as a casual surface examination.

With regards the experiencers of the Mandela Effects, I only hope that we move away from this idea of being 'chosen', because (as you have - rather insistently - pointed out) it could be dangerous from the standpoint of mental health, if one were to take such notions too far.

I'm up in the air regarding the mechanics of this phenomenon, but I must say I'm leaning towards a highly technologically advanced psy-op, led by some group of entities, or some intelligent force which is not familiar to our way of understanding 'personality'. I hope that makes sense.

I would welcome a more restrained approach to our debate. To be absolutely brutally honest, you've been slamming home some ever-so-slightly veiled insults in addition to your sincere concerns - perhaps lighten up a bit, and lean back from the hammer blows of 'common sense'..? Although the Mandela Effect is far from being a 'common sense' situation, it is not an impossible feat of manipulation, if the offending force is advanced enough in relation to ourselves. Above all it's fascinating, and I can see myself firmly on the side of investigating this up to the hilt, so to speak.

Finally, I'll give an example of the most unexpected - and the most shocking - effect, that I have come across in my investigations so far: I was abhorred to see that the Arctic pole was 'no longer' covered in ice. I was utterly flabbergasted when I looked at my own little globe sitting on my desk, to see that the (in memory) once vast ice field, was utterly gone. I once wrote a short story about an investigation into sub-surface shenanigans in Greenland, and the ice field beyond, to the North. Honestly, I can say with full integrity that I cannot explain, or even 'cope with' the fact that the ice cap I remember, is no longer apparent. Totally bizarre - and it fuels my intrigue.

a reply to: tigertatzen

I understand how frustrating it can be if you feel that people are twisting your words, and all that which you stated.
I do.

Lets cut the BS.
I care about you tiger. I tried everything.
From humour, to love, to rough love, to dismissal, to rudeness, to coldness, back to rough love, back to love, back to coldness -

im just human. to err is human... and i do make errors.
im FAR from perfect.

but know, my heart is pure. my intentions are only that of love.

i mean lets cut the Effing crap shall we?
The reason I joined the thread was cause of Herbal Essence and other MEs.

Do you remember my, like, third or something post? or the first i dont even remember..NOT a pun..
I said something like
"ok relax people".

and i concluded that its just a curiosity of the mind. Common misconceptions.
You seemed grounded and reasonable back then. Do you even remember?

But now... youre not even the same person anymore.. Cant you see that?

The magical thinking part is what gets me.. and i tried everything...... im officially at a loss here.
I dont know how to Effing get through to you.

Cant you see that youve slipped so far down the rabbit hole, and that im desperately trying to get you to come back up?

originally posted by: FlyInTheOintment
Okay, I apologise for my hostility, it's a lesson against speaking in generalities I suppose.

Thank you, it takes a brave person to apologise like you did. I have lots of respect for you now.... but we still disagree on the Mandela effect! lol

I understand your point but I'm sorry, it still doesn't make sense to me. And I still believe ME has become a religion, with many posting how special they are, and some thinking they are the chosen ones for the second coming of Jesus. I really don't see the point on posting on these threads anymore.

originally posted by: alienDNA
still waitin on that cpr training manuals that prove agent mul - i mean tigers cpr method.
or did I miss it...

No, she hasn't, I'm sure she missed my reply to her. I will repost so she has a chance to back up her method.



a reply to: tigertatzen
Hi Tiger, I'm reposting this because I think you missed it.

You said:

originally posted by: tigertatzen
BLS compressions are not done in the center. They're done about three finger widths from the left nipple, proximal to the midline. That includes the cardiac notch, which is the only "soft spot" in the chest surrounding the heart.

If compressions were done dead center, the pressure would never reach the heart through the breastplate to stimulate an electrical impulse. It is also the number one way people break the xyphoid process during BLS.

My reply to you:

Like I've said previously, in the UK we learn to put the heel of our hand on the middle of the chest, lower portion of the sternum. This is the official procedure for health professionals too. I got really curious about what you said, as I spent three years at uni and I never heard of this and I also know that CPR is not done to stimulate an electrical impulse. CPR alone will never restart the heart and will never stimulate an electrical impulse (only a defibrillator can do that). CPR is only done to get the blood pumping, to perfuse the organs and especially the brain, until further procedures can be done to get the heart beating again.

Today I was at work and I asked a few doctor friends and they confirmed what I knew and they also never heard of CPR done this way. First because measuring by the nipple is confusing, as not everybody's nipples are in the same/correct place. Second because you can do more damage by pressing on the ribs. Third, compressions are done in the center to 'pump the heart manually' as it compresses it between the sternum and spine.

This may well be an American only thing, which wouldn't surprise, but I am now really curious, and so are my doctor friends. Can I ask you to post or message me some official literature about this, please? Not because I don't trust what you are saying, it wouldn't the first time things are done completely different in the US (different than the rest of the world). I ask you because as a nurse I am responsible for people's lives every day of my working life, and I love learning new things (that are evidence based of course).

Gracias Tiger!

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

Youre very welcome. Well, thats what is considered as being empathic Or perhaps SYMpathic.
Anyway, well.
I also like the fact that you disagree with TOMBESCAPER - and I support that.
Whoever disagrees with that person, is ok in my book.

And I dont even mean that. Im not actually like that.
I love him too. BUT
No.
I have to be honest here.. FINALLY.... I can agree to not being intellectually honest in this thread.
I havent. But its not for the reasons you might expect or think.

Well, the reason I genuinely dislike one person here, is the agendas he/she is pushing. But I digress, forget that. Doesnt even matter.

Regarding the polar ice cap - you are right - there is indeed alot of ice on the north pole.
However, on most maps nowadays it is not featured - due to it not being a continent or a land mass.

However - Rest assured, its still an ice cap, and has always been. They even host a Marathon there every year.

Trust me, If I discovered that the North Pole no longer has huge ice sheets and an ice cap, I would probably go freakin bonkers.

edit:
I also want to take this opportunity to sincerely apologize to you.
I have gone about this thread all wrong. And that is noones fault but my own.
I just hope you realize that my intentions always were pure, even though I have seemed obnoxious, despicable, rude, and just plain unlikable.
it has been my futile attempts at tactics.... :/

a reply to: FlyInTheOintment

I also want to show you the very first post I made in this thread in case you missed it.
After that, sh** happened.

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guys.. please relax yourselves.. its not healthy to dive into whacky and borderline psychotic theories regarding the mandela effect.

first of all, lets be clear about a few things.
the human mind and human psyche is not fully understood. in fact, im pretty sure we dont understand more than half of it..
deja vu is one example.. antideppressants in all shapes and forms (SSRI, SNRI, Tetra-cyclic, etc) and its actual effect on depression and exactly what they do. we just dont know.

secondly, we DO have fallible memory and we DO remember things wrong.
The Volkswagen logo for example.. it did always look like that.
Same goes for everything in this thread.

Just cause you and a BUNCH of you (us) remember something wrong .. well its just that. We remember it wrong.
Ok think of it like this.
How come its such small subtle changes that happen? Why not grande things?
for example "Sex and the city" easily sounds just like "Sex in the city" and its not strange or mysterious at all that many people around the world could swear it was one or the other cause they are so similar.
MacEntire and MacIntyre is identical scenario.. In our heads we want it to be TYRE and not TIRE.
Tineman Square.. do anyone actually remember him being runover?
Wouldnt that be incredibly gory?
Are you SURE you dont just remember it wrong? Someone mightve said back then, to you, that he WAS runover.. And you didnt think much more about it until recently when you browsed this thread for example - and you might think that you are certain he did get runover, but when you really think about it - did you actually see it?

I think the Mandela Effect is just as real (or unreal) as the Deja Vu effect.
Mysterious and trippy for sure, but guys, obviously its a curiosity of the human mind and its NOT the Matrix, a software update, quantum displacement, overlapping universes etc.
Those theories are pretty nasty to believe in, and its a dangerous and winding road to wander... And I dont recommend it as its not healthy at all to believe in such theories as you might really start to believe it in depth - and you can become insane and paranoid from it, or at the very least suffer depression from it.

There is most likely a natural explanation for this effect even though Ive yet to feel it - I do believe its there and I do believe you if you claim you saw the guy in Tineman Square get runover - but Im certain there is a natural explanation.

Deja Vu is extremely similar in my book and Im pretty sure EVERYONE has experienced it and its NOT a glitch in the matrix when 'they' change something.

Please dont walk down that road as it doesnt lead anywhere good. At all. stay grounded and dont venture into completely insane theories and completely skip any natural explanations.
Its for your own good.. !

The human mind is a funny thing and we've yet to understand it all, and explain it all, and this to me feels like a completely natural phenomena. Just stay grounded and realise its natural and nothing nefarious and certainly not anything in the like of the theories presented here.

I mean, how come you just completely skip and ignore the theory of being completely natural?
Why go to such extremes as you do? Im refering to what Ive already said. Comon. Multiple universes overlapping? Other timelines? You do realise the only reason you even have such things in your head to begin with is Sci-Fi (books, movies)?

Its not grounded in reality and walking down that path of insane theories that cannot be disproven (which to some seems to be equal to the theory being valid) will lead to your mental health declining, I promise you that.

Until we can discard any natural causes there are PLENTY of room for normal and non-insane theories to explain this phenomena.
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I couldve been alot more sensitive, but tbh, I NEVER expected this thread to go this far.
I expected it to go a few more pages then die out.
So.. yeah..

and i completely agree with myself from back then, btw. (my god how time moves strangely these past few months - i must admit)