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originally posted by: JoshuaCox
However we are talking about swapping trans kids.... Having to go to school with children is a far different animal!
Swapping a kid in grade school will ensure all of the negative social aspects previously mentioned. Taking your kid from being considered kinda weird, to totally different and and the center of gravity for every bully in the tri-state area.
Would it really have been SOO devestating not to include your school in your personal life? Being yourself at home, while playing a role at school that allowed you complete your education?
Honestly it seems like "how you are viewed by others" plays a bigger role in trans happiness than, then being able to be yourself....if it was about being yourself, you can be yourself at home...
You don't have to be yourself every second of every day...
It really seems like it's an issue of "I don't care how devestating a kids childhood is, as long as there are more openly trans kids so I feel validated and not so isolated, screw the bullying and misdiagnosis that might could have been avoided....
If your brain wiring doesn't match your DNA, it would be a no brainer to fix it.
Not because science wants to arbitrarily create a third gender because of a very uncommon birth defect...
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TinfoilTP
the first three are a sexual lifestyle where they choose how to reach orgasm other than exclusively heterosexual
I see. You consider orgasm that which defines you.
"Boys on this side, girls on that side" is sexually oriented?
You don't see a problem where children are seen as adult enough to accept their own transgenderism as it is presented alongside a purely sexually orientated movement?
No, it defines them by their choosing and I have no problem with it.
your second response,
"Boys on this side, girls on that side" is sexually oriented?
No it is not and that is my point. Why marry transgender to gay lesbian and bisexual other than to equivocate it. That is what it has done, equivocate one with the other in the publics eye. It is a deception. To deceive is to have a purpose for it is more work to deceive than to tell the truth. That purpose is logically to be able to promote pedophilia to the public as the next stage in the sexual revolution.
PEople used to live a lot shorter time...so those back then were all pedophiles right? It wasnt uncomon to have a teenage wife.
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TinfoilTP
the first three are a sexual lifestyle where they choose how to reach orgasm other than exclusively heterosexual
I see. You consider orgasm that which defines you.
"Boys on this side, girls on that side" is sexually oriented?
You don't see a problem where children are seen as adult enough to accept their own transgenderism as it is presented alongside a purely sexually orientated movement?
No, it defines them by their choosing and I have no problem with it.
your second response,
"Boys on this side, girls on that side" is sexually oriented?
No it is not and that is my point. Why marry transgender to gay lesbian and bisexual other than to equivocate it. That is what it has done, equivocate one with the other in the publics eye. It is a deception. To deceive is to have a purpose for it is more work to deceive than to tell the truth. That purpose is logically to be able to promote pedophilia to the public as the next stage in the sexual revolution.
PEople used to live a lot shorter time...so those back then were all pedophiles right? It wasnt uncomon to have a teenage wife.
Are you Muslim?
Your argument says that back in the old days 20 year olds married 12 year olds so today we live twice as long so that 12 year old can now marry a 40 year old. Sick twisted logic which appears normal to you?
Pedo excuses are common today, found routinely where "critical thinking" and "deny ignorance" are a mantra.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TinfoilTP
the first three are a sexual lifestyle where they choose how to reach orgasm other than exclusively heterosexual
I see. You consider orgasm that which defines you.
"Boys on this side, girls on that side" is sexually oriented?
You don't see a problem where children are seen as adult enough to accept their own transgenderism as it is presented alongside a purely sexually orientated movement?
No, it defines them by their choosing and I have no problem with it.
your second response,
"Boys on this side, girls on that side" is sexually oriented?
No it is not and that is my point. Why marry transgender to gay lesbian and bisexual other than to equivocate it. That is what it has done, equivocate one with the other in the publics eye. It is a deception. To deceive is to have a purpose for it is more work to deceive than to tell the truth. That purpose is logically to be able to promote pedophilia to the public as the next stage in the sexual revolution.
PEople used to live a lot shorter time...so those back then were all pedophiles right? It wasnt uncomon to have a teenage wife.
I think so...
I don't think the time that has passed has erased the truly monsterous acts. Rape, murder, torturers.
If not then that means anyone who rejected their society and say, taught there daughters to read, are not now nor were they then criminals....
I think it just makes the ones who bucked the system that much more heroic..
originally posted by: TruthxIsxInxThexMist
a reply to: Freija
Sorry but 5 years old is way too early for any child to be making a decision.
Let the children be children is my motto. That is all they are being... children. Don't force them to make genda choices at such an age... shouldn't even be confusing the childs brain at that age.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: Freija
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
ally you don't see the hypocrisy in deciding a 2 year old is trans and swapping them without any difinative test, and undeniably a really crappy diagnosis rate..
Parents of some of these kids say as soon as their children can talk they are saying they are a girl or a boy. This is a fundamental basis of who all of us are as people and even kids know when it is wrong. If your mother put you in dresses and pig tails as a child, at what age would you have protested this? At five? At seven? What age would have known this was wrong for you?
For the umpteenth time, what clinicians look for is this that this behavior and vocalization is expressed consistently, persistently and insistently over time. When a kid has been trying to tell his/her parents this since they were two and is saying and demanding the same thing when they are 4 or 5, that is when they are evaluated and diagnosed.
That is your test. Is it definitive? No but when associated with other problems such as depression, anxiety and the whole list I don't feel like typing out for you AGAIN, and transitioning turns these kids around, makes them happy, cooperative and able to socialize then it doesn't take a brain scan, blood test or a rocket scientist to figure out this makes the lives of these kids better and improves their quality of life.
You really don't see how crazy that sounds???
It sounds crazy to you because you haven't witnessed it or experienced it but I know if my folks had listened to me when I was five and if it had been possible to transition back then, it sure would have sparred me a lot of grief, frustration and having my ass kicked for being different and sticking out. It would made my childhood far less traumatic, far less violent, a million times happier and I wouldn't have had to live for years locked away in my bedroom wanting to kill myself or be dead because I didn't want to live a lie or be perceived as something I was not. It took my parents until I was 15 and was nearly killed before they even started to get it and believe me, I've had every friggin' test under the sun and then some starting from the age of 10 until I was 17 and got a break for a while until we could actually find a doctor that knew what the hell they were talking about to get me hormones.
Save your cries for definitive testing for someone that cares. The proof, the test is in the children's lives that are improved, that are livable and happy and that have the chance to be normal kids. If you're going to stand in the way of that just because you don't understand it then I'm going to be standing in your way so these kids don't have to deal with crap in their lives by someone that thinks they know better than their own parents and doctors.
There is no way you are a parent...no parent thinks their 2 year old has even close to that level of cognative thinking.
All of no group of people have gone on to having improved lives....
You show your bias in the way you word things and refuse to even contemplate an alternative.
It's really just been one ridiculously false absolute after another..and absolutes that nearly anyone could tell you was illogical as can be..
You want to give these kids a happy life, but reject even the thought that it could involve making them match their brains and bodies match 100%...
Making a trans person the closest proximity to the opposite sex we can, is not making them 100% whole. Even if it was a lie they needed to make life bare able, it would still be a lie.
But even when it is a hypothetical best case scenerio. You can't comprehend it the other way....
If you could make their brains match their bodies, that would make them 100% whole, but you would rather them be 70% whole and face all the negative social ramifications of being different... Just so they have to stay trans....
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TinfoilTP
the first three are a sexual lifestyle where they choose how to reach orgasm other than exclusively heterosexual
I see. You consider orgasm that which defines you.
"Boys on this side, girls on that side" is sexually oriented?
You don't see a problem where children are seen as adult enough to accept their own transgenderism as it is presented alongside a purely sexually orientated movement?
No, it defines them by their choosing and I have no problem with it.
your second response,
"Boys on this side, girls on that side" is sexually oriented?
No it is not and that is my point. Why marry transgender to gay lesbian and bisexual other than to equivocate it. That is what it has done, equivocate one with the other in the publics eye. It is a deception. To deceive is to have a purpose for it is more work to deceive than to tell the truth. That purpose is logically to be able to promote pedophilia to the public as the next stage in the sexual revolution.
PEople used to live a lot shorter time...so those back then were all pedophiles right? It wasnt uncomon to have a teenage wife.
I think so...
I don't think the time that has passed has erased the truly monsterous acts. Rape, murder, torturers.
If not then that means anyone who rejected their society and say, taught there daughters to read, are not now nor were they then criminals....
I think it just makes the ones who bucked the system that much more heroic..
Heres the thing though. back then it wasnt seen as abuse to marry young because the life span was so short,but that eventually changed into being labeled pedophilia somehow. Now IF the girl was not Breeding age(most likely teenage years) that was seen as wrong. They considered tens back then able to make some decisions on their lives because they grew up much faster then.
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TinfoilTP
the first three are a sexual lifestyle where they choose how to reach orgasm other than exclusively heterosexual
I see. You consider orgasm that which defines you.
"Boys on this side, girls on that side" is sexually oriented?
You don't see a problem where children are seen as adult enough to accept their own transgenderism as it is presented alongside a purely sexually orientated movement?
No, it defines them by their choosing and I have no problem with it.
your second response,
"Boys on this side, girls on that side" is sexually oriented?
No it is not and that is my point. Why marry transgender to gay lesbian and bisexual other than to equivocate it. That is what it has done, equivocate one with the other in the publics eye. It is a deception. To deceive is to have a purpose for it is more work to deceive than to tell the truth. That purpose is logically to be able to promote pedophilia to the public as the next stage in the sexual revolution.
PEople used to live a lot shorter time...so those back then were all pedophiles right? It wasnt uncomon to have a teenage wife.
I think so...
I don't think the time that has passed has erased the truly monsterous acts. Rape, murder, torturers.
If not then that means anyone who rejected their society and say, taught there daughters to read, are not now nor were they then criminals....
I think it just makes the ones who bucked the system that much more heroic..
Heres the thing though. back then it wasnt seen as abuse to marry young because the life span was so short,but that eventually changed into being labeled pedophilia somehow. Now IF the girl was not Breeding age(most likely teenage years) that was seen as wrong. They considered tens back then able to make some decisions on their lives because they grew up much faster then.
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: JoshuaCox
originally posted by: yuppa
originally posted by: TinfoilTP
originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: TinfoilTP
the first three are a sexual lifestyle where they choose how to reach orgasm other than exclusively heterosexual
I see. You consider orgasm that which defines you.
"Boys on this side, girls on that side" is sexually oriented?
You don't see a problem where children are seen as adult enough to accept their own transgenderism as it is presented alongside a purely sexually orientated movement?
No, it defines them by their choosing and I have no problem with it.
your second response,
"Boys on this side, girls on that side" is sexually oriented?
No it is not and that is my point. Why marry transgender to gay lesbian and bisexual other than to equivocate it. That is what it has done, equivocate one with the other in the publics eye. It is a deception. To deceive is to have a purpose for it is more work to deceive than to tell the truth. That purpose is logically to be able to promote pedophilia to the public as the next stage in the sexual revolution.
PEople used to live a lot shorter time...so those back then were all pedophiles right? It wasnt uncomon to have a teenage wife.
I think so...
I don't think the time that has passed has erased the truly monsterous acts. Rape, murder, torturers.
If not then that means anyone who rejected their society and say, taught there daughters to read, are not now nor were they then criminals....
I think it just makes the ones who bucked the system that much more heroic..
Heres the thing though. back then it wasnt seen as abuse to marry young because the life span was so short,but that eventually changed into being labeled pedophilia somehow. Now IF the girl was not Breeding age(most likely teenage years) that was seen as wrong. They considered tens back then able to make some decisions on their lives because they grew up much faster then.
I think this is a perfect example of how nostalgia creates the "good ole days fallacy."
The real truth is (no matter what race, creed or color) most of our ancestors continued being monsters long after it was necessary for survival and an evolutionary advantage.