Freedom comes with obligation

a reply to: butcherguy

No, in society we have something thats called intelligent design by god.. It means in its basic form, God provides you food.
If you take something from nature, a creature of evolution, and kill it, when you are provided with food from the state you have obligations.. freedom by killing just for the sake of killing, well no one does that except humans..

The laws of nature says, clearly, if a creature is not in balance with nature outside its compound, it should be considered a pest.

It means in a magical sense dont f*** with dragons..

a reply to: PanPiper

???? i dont see the point of your response to me it seems like you telling what i told you

a reply to: DOCHOLIDAZE1

If you want to be free, no one is stopping you.. Freedom in society comes with obligations.. Big difference..

a reply to: PanPiper

It means in a magical sense dont f*** with dragons..

I am not much of a magician, so I couldn't make sense of that post.

a reply to: grainofsand

Isnt really that much separating them, but im sure you have a great stories..

a reply to: butcherguy

Dont damage things in nature, cause its bad..

originally posted by: PanPiper
a reply to: butcherguy

There you have freedom, the only people that can actually call themselves free.

What?! You don't think uncontacted tribal people live in a hierarchy of control, be it the village chief or whatever?
There is always the hardest gang in town, or alpha in small groups. There is always leaders and followers, with force/coercion usually being the facilitator.

a reply to: PanPiper

im free in western society and have only obligated myself to what i deem worthy, so again your wrong.

Right, the vikings did, then it was geraldo rivera.

To the OP, Freedom is a birth right. You're born with it. No one can give it to you or ration it like food. You were born free. Whether you decide to live free or not is up to you.

You aren't obligated to do anything but stay you and die. You decide what you will and will not live under/with.

And btw, your country hasn't done much for you in the past 50 years but create difficult conditions and hurdles hampering your freedom. Why would you even care to lift a finger for your country?

And just to add as an example, the US Military which has protected our freedoms in the past, has not had to do so since the end of WWII. For one to claim that's what they are doing now is just a farce. The military works for corporate America as the brute squad.

Don't believe me? How many soldiers are in Africa right now trying to stop atrocities from bad governments? That's OK I'll wait.

Freedom most certainly IS free. We chose to live in the chains of the system.

Be nice to America, or they'll attack you with democracy. The arrogance of such a thing. What if socialism is the best thing to happen to a country? Who are we to intervene? Oh that's right, we have to get to those precious resources that are under developed because said country doesn't want foreign development.

Africa apparently has nothing we want or we'd be there attacking them with democracy so they can be as free as we are.

Love the hypocrisy under the guise of freedom.

Sorry, I kinda went sideways......the tail end of that is more of a general statement not directed to but to entice free thinking.

a reply to: grainofsand

The iconic lion in your passport comes from a culture called the Scandinavians, The countries on the map forms a Lion, in these countries they adapted to the simple term; Freedom under obligation, somehow, it changed..

a reply to: PanPiper

Living in a society comes with obligations.

Freedom is living without obligations.

originally posted by: PanPiper
a reply to: grainofsand

Everyone has their world of hopes and dreams, reality can be to difficult to cope with for most western world states..
And im gonna say, most people arent passionate about their country, most people are lazy and they want to keep on being lazy..

This sounds like your issue not that of others.

You are making many false assumptions about others and what it means to be free. You probably need to take some time and look in the mirror or meditate.

a reply to: BooCrackers

Why would you even care to lift a finger for your country?

Overall I agree with your sentiments, but please don't confuse the country with Government. Patriotism is loving your country all of the time and supporting your Government when it deserves it (or something like that).

originally posted by: PanPiper
a reply to: grainofsand

The iconic lion in your passport comes from a culture called the Scandinavians, The countries on the map forms a Lion, in these countries they adapted to the simple term; Freedom under obligation, somehow, it changed..

I don't care whatever the history of the lion is, it is the symbol of the current hardest gang in the UK right now.
I'll deal with whichever group that is, but there is always the hardest gang in town wherever you are in the world...your notions of freedom seem misty and romantic.

It always boils down to your place in the alpha pecking order, standard mammal behaviour.

originally posted by: PanPiper
a reply to: DOCHOLIDAZE1

If you want to be free, no one is stopping you.. Freedom in society comes with obligations.. Big difference..

You can't be free in society. You can only limit your terms of enslavement.

originally posted by: PanPiper
a reply to: butcherguy

There you have freedom, the only people that can actually call themselves free.

Except according to your hypothesis they don't because they have their own societies and if you born to a society, you are instantly and unwillingly a slave to it.

Thanks for playing.

originally posted by: PanPiper
a reply to: butcherguy

Dont damage things in nature, cause its bad..

Gazelles damage grass.... gazelles are bad.
Cheetahs damage gazelles.... cheetahs are bad.

Man is part of nature.

a reply to: Metallicus

i disagree, once you can see the bars that hold you in you can remove yourself from those bars, its those that cant see the bars that are enslaved, if that makes any sense

"a reply to: [post=20643345]PanPiper[/post

"Im born in a western culture,"

I can tell. You're first word is misspelled. Definitely taught in a western school.

* speaking from experience

originally posted by: Mrgone
"a reply to: [post=20643345]PanPiper[/post

"Im born in a western culture,"

I can tell. You're first word is misspelled. Definitely taught in a western school.

* speaking from experience

Oh dear......".you are first word is mis-spelled ".
Lol. Yes, experienced.
Me too, watching my spell checker 👻