Abortion doctors would lose medical licenses under new Oklahoma bill

originally posted by: BIGPoJo
a reply to: Annee

This bill (SB1552 from OK) is what has people getting bent out of shape over.

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OK. I couldn't open the original link with Chromebook. That's what the problem was.

I've read enough about it elsewhere to get the gist.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: BIGPoJo
a reply to: Annee

This bill (SB1552 from OK) is what has people getting bent out of shape over.

webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us...

OK. I couldn't open the original link with Chromebook. That's what the problem was.

I've read enough about it elsewhere to get the gist.

Did you read enough to learn that this bill doesn't require the State to revoke licenses of doctors for every abortion performed? They can still perform abortions if they meet certain criteria.

a reply to: BIGPoJo

They can still perform abortions if they meet certain criteria.

Yes. Only if the birth would entail the death of the woman. That's it. That's the only criterion.

Since they can't make "elective" abortion illegal, they are trying to revoke the licenses of doctors who perform them.

originally posted by: BIGPoJo

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: BIGPoJo
a reply to: Annee

This bill (SB1552 from OK) is what has people getting bent out of shape over.

webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us...

OK. I couldn't open the original link with Chromebook. That's what the problem was.

I've read enough about it elsewhere to get the gist.

Did you read enough to learn that this bill doesn't require the State to revoke licenses of doctors for every abortion performed? They can still perform abortions if they meet certain criteria.

Criteria is the problem.

Its no one else's business except the woman and the doctor.

No One tells me I have to "play by their rules" with my reproductive system.

originally posted by: Phage

Since they can't make "elective" abortion illegal, they are trying to make it illegal for doctors to perform them.

Yes, I was reading that on another site.

They're trying to sneak around Roe vs Wade, by making it a felony for the doctor.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: BIGPoJo

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: BIGPoJo
a reply to: Annee

This bill (SB1552 from OK) is what has people getting bent out of shape over.

webserver1.lsb.state.ok.us...

OK. I couldn't open the original link with Chromebook. That's what the problem was.

I've read enough about it elsewhere to get the gist.

Did you read enough to learn that this bill doesn't require the State to revoke licenses of doctors for every abortion performed? They can still perform abortions if they meet certain criteria.

Criteria is the problem.

Its no one else's business except the woman and the doctor.

No One tells me I have to "play by their rules" with my reproductive system.

But they do, you can't have a partial birth abortion. For example, in Texas, you cannot get an abortion after 20 weeks unless there is something wrong with you or your fetus. I would make the argument that most people are against abortions of convenience. Even right wing pro-lifers understand there are reasons to get an abortion, such as rape or incest.

Since we are discussing the moral arguments of abortion, check out this short video about the 5 moral arguments for or against abortion.

a reply to: BIGPoJo

Even right wing pro-lifers understand there are reasons to get an abortion, such as rape or incest.

No. The Oklahoma law makes no such provision. There is one criterion which will not result in revocation, and one only.

Performance of an abortion as defined by Section 1-730 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes, except that an abortion necessary to preserve the life of the mother shall not be grounds for denial or revocation of a medical license.

Wait, there's more!

No person shall perform or induce an abortion upon a pregnant woman unless that person is a physician licensed to practice medicine in the State of Oklahoma. Any person violating this section shall be guilty of a felony punishable by imprisonment for not less than one (1) year nor more than three (3) years in the State Penitentiary.

Heh, I guess performing an abortion on a woman who isn't pregnant would be ok.

a reply to: BIGPoJo

I don't need to check out anything.

Its between the woman and her doctor.

Its no one else's business. Period!

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: BIGPoJo

Even right wing pro-lifers understand there are reasons to get an abortion, such as rape or incest.

No. The Oklahoma law makes no such provision. There is one criterion which will not result in revocation, and one only.

Performance of an abortion as defined by Section 1-730 of Title 63 of the Oklahoma Statutes, except that an abortion necessary to preserve the life of the mother shall not be grounds for denial or revocation of a medical license.

Correct, but you can get in your car and drive to Texas. It's only a 3 hour drive from Oklahoma City to Fort Worth for example where you can get a legal abortion. I doubt this law will actually pass but if it does it would only provide the inconvenience of having to drive to Texas and back which can easily be done in one day. You don't even have to get a motel. You could make it a fun trip, get an abortion, go to the Fort Worth Zoo, watch a Rangers game, ect...

a reply to: BIGPoJo

Correct

Then why did you say this:

They can still perform abortions if they meet certain criteria.

There is one criterion, not "certain criteria."

I doubt this law will actually pass

I don't. But it sure won't stand for long because it's stupid and illegal.

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: BIGPoJo

I don't need to check out anything.

Its between the woman and her doctor.

Its no one else's business. Period!

Tell that to the Federal government, they banned partial birth abortions. They don't care what you think or what your doctor thinks about it. It's banned, period.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: burgerbuddy

The link was posted. You can read, right?

Didn't read. All I hear mentioned is Downs or the mother dying.

But hey, Mom's a crackhead drunk and knocked up again, can't have a drunk crackhead baby, now can we.

It comes back to personal responsibility, doesn't it?

originally posted by: BIGPoJo

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: BIGPoJo

I don't need to check out anything.

Its between the woman and her doctor.

Its no one else's business. Period!

Tell that to the Federal government, they banned partial birth abortions. They don't care what you think or what your doctor thinks about it. It's banned, period.

As I said, Its between the woman and her doctor.

The doctor is bound by Federal law.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

Didn't read.

Not surprised.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

It comes back to personal responsibility, doesn't it?

Yes, woman choosing to have abortion because she's not ready to take care of a kid.

Most responsible thing a woman can do.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: BIGPoJo

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: BIGPoJo

I don't need to check out anything.

Its between the woman and her doctor.

Its no one else's business. Period!

Tell that to the Federal government, they banned partial birth abortions. They don't care what you think or what your doctor thinks about it. It's banned, period.

As I said, Its between the woman and her doctor.

The doctor is bound by Federal law.

And State law.

There is a nifty table that you can look at to ensure that your decision to have an abortion is legal if you are on vacation in another state.

www.guttmacher.org... xXdEBoCVOnw_wcB

For someone that is so pro-abortion, I would have thought that you knew about this kind of stuff.

originally posted by: BIGPoJo

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: BIGPoJo

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: BIGPoJo

I don't need to check out anything.

Its between the woman and her doctor.

Its no one else's business. Period!

Tell that to the Federal government, they banned partial birth abortions. They don't care what you think or what your doctor thinks about it. It's banned, period.

As I said, Its between the woman and her doctor.

The doctor is bound by Federal law.

For someone that is so pro-abortion, I would have thought that you knew about this kind of stuff.

Who is Pro Abortion? I don't know anyone who is Pro Abortion.

Right of Choice is Right of Choice - - - - it is not Pro Abortion.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

It comes back to personal responsibility, doesn't it?

Yes, woman choosing to have abortion because she's not ready to take care of a kid.

Most responsible thing a woman can do.

I would consider this a most selfish act.

But I guess that is because I have three kids and couldn't imagine a life without them. I am glad we chose life, it is worth any struggle.

originally posted by: BIGPoJo

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: burgerbuddy

It comes back to personal responsibility, doesn't it?

Yes, woman choosing to have abortion because she's not ready to take care of a kid.

Most responsible thing a woman can do.

I would consider this a most selfish act.

But I guess that is because I have three kids and couldn't imagine a life without them. I am glad we chose life, it is worth any struggle.

You think I don't have kids? I'm a grandmother.

Give me one unselfish reason to bring a child into this world.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: burgerbuddy

Didn't read.

Not surprised.

Well, Annee didn't read it either! lol!

Don't be surprised, Phage. An abortion bill from OK is not on my reading list.

I am content to let others discuss the fine print.