Saudi Arabia Admits To John Kerry That It Created ISIS... But There Is A Twist

This has been the year of questioning the Wests relationship with Saudi Arabia in many peoples minds and news outlets. I am certainly not a fan of the Saudi Wahhabi Islamic belief system to say the least. But.... I do find it interesting that all of this stuff is being talked about now instead of several years ago. I also do not believe for a moment that the Saudi's were solely responsible for ISIS without others being involved from the get go.

Anyway just some more ammo for those who care about such things.

The Saudis could never reconcile themselves to the US-led invasion of Iraq, not because it toppled Saddam Hussein but because it led to Shia majority rule in an Arab country. When Hosni Mubarak was toppled by Egypt’s popular revolt in 2011, Riyadh accused Mr Obama of betraying a US ally. Saudi perceptions of US complacency in the face of Iran’s advances in Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and Yemen are a grievance far outweighing western perceptions of Isis jihadism as the main threat in and from the Middle East.

But the punchline: Saudi's admission that it itself created Daesh, or ISIS. As for the twist: as the late Saudi foreign minister says, the Saudis only created ISIS in response to Obama's disastrous policy in the region.

To wit:

After the Iraqi city of Mosul fell to a lightning Isis offensive in 2014, even the late Prince Saud al-Faisal, the respected Saudi foreign minister, remonstrated with John Kerry, US secretary of state, that “Daesh [Isis] is our [Sunni] response to your support for the Da’wa” — the Tehran-aligned Shia Islamist ruling party of Iraq.

And there you have it, and as a reminder, the person who was in charge of US foreign policy during this entire period was none other than...

Guess who !
www.zerohedge.com...
youtu.be...

a reply to: 727Sky

I don't think for one second that Saudi has a partner is Israel over this simply because of ISIS never attacking there which, if one thinks about it should be one of its main targets - but nessie seems to think he can sleep easily in his pit, why?

a reply to: 727Sky

Dr. Ron Paul, LIKE A BOSS.

That having been said, I kind of thought we created them.

Well, the rebels that would become ISUS, plausible deniability and all.

John McCain Slips Across Border Into Syria, Meets With Rebels.

CIA ramping up covert training program for moderate Syrian rebels.

Then armed them both secretively and openly.

CIA begins weapons delivery to Syrian rebels.

House approves arms, training for moderate Syrian rebels.

And then one after the other, the US trained and armed rebels became, joined and armed ISUS.

U.S. confident weapons to Syrian rebels won't fall into wrong hands, but should they be?

U.S. Shoots Itself In the Foot By Accidentally Arming ISIS

Main U.S.-Backed Syrian Rebel Group Disbanding, Joining Islamists.

Blowback! U.S. trained Islamists who joined ISIS.

US-Backed 'Moderate' Free Syrian Army Factions Join ISIS Terror Group.

Russia goes ahead and heavily bombs ISUS positions.

Russia obliterates 70 targets in just 24 hours.

And what do we do? The only logical option. We first yelled at Russia for hurting our boys then we rearmed them.

U.S. delivers 50 tons of ammunition to Syria rebel groups.

Its gotten so ridiculous that the CIA’s ISUS is now shooting at the Pentagon’s ISUS:

In Syria, militias armed by the Pentagon fight those armed by the CIA.



Seems to me like the Saudis are more aligned with the West and Israel than they are with the other Arabs in the region.

In the past when Ive made this point, Ive been told, "well see, the Saudi Moslems are Wasabis and they dont like the other types of Moslems so theyre cool if we overthrow and bomb the entire Middle East, 'cause you know...".

I just dont buy it. At the end of the day, groups tend to come together, especially when being invaded from outside forces.

There are theories about the origins of the House of Saud, not what you would think but it sure would explain a lot.

Hillary!!!

Stupid cow.

a reply to: gladtobehere

You are correct to have the cia/CIA in the mix .It would seem that members of the cia would take a bullet for their President while the CIA would put one in him . The covert CIA is much stronger as they work with other agencies that are on the same page or can be used as stooges . They look like a god as you see the results but can't seem to put a face to them . Not sure what the USA can do about it though . Too bad Ron Paul wasn't running for POTUS again .The present line up don't seem to be made of the stuff needed to fix the problem ......peace

a reply to: 727Sky

Guess who ! www.zerohedge.com... youtu.be...

But now didn't zerohedge say the US created ISIS?

Why yes they did...more than once.

ISIS: The 'Enemy' The US Created, Armed, & Funded

www.zerohedge.com...

Secret Pentagon Report Reveals US "Created" ISIS As A "Tool" To Overthrow Syria's President Assad

www.zerohedge.com...

Seems they are just moving to another when their BS doesn't pan out.

As for Ron Paul he is as credible as zerohedge as he thinks he is anti government, but uses them to for his own gains...hypocrisy runs deep with him.

So does parroting what other anti west media sources say.

a reply to: 727Sky

Saudi Arabia should never have been an ally or friend to the United States. We've ignored their atrocious human rights record for years. We were more interested in keeping the flow of oil coming to this country than backing human rights principals. The Bush's were nothing but lap dogs for the Saudi Royals.

Saudi Arabia Admits To John Kerry That It Created ISIS... But There Is A Twist

Proxy war is preferable to outright involvement. Plausible deniability for one and blame when things don;t go according to plan.

Saudi Arabia Admits To John Kerry That It Created ISIS... But There Is A Twist

The 'twist' is its all a facade. The US and Sauds have been partnered all along.

Looks good though, claiming one hand doesn't know what the other is doing.

a reply to: tsurfer2000h

It's funny. I was just in the shower thinking about this certain clique on ATS that whines, pisses and moans all day and night about sourcing your claims. Gotta have sources, or your claims are totally invalid.

Then, when you do present source material, the source itself is immediately attacked. There is usually very little, if any, discussion of the validity of the individual claims themselves (and hence, what the thread is actually about).

It is for this very reason I don't put much effort into making sure everything is properly sourced anymore--you're going to s# all over it and derail the thread anyway.

Sorry for the off-topic response, OP. As for Saudi Arabia:

Does anyone else feel like we're being manipulated into developing an antagonistic relationship with the Sauds? I mean, everyone knew they were crooked, evil bastards... but now it's being shoved in our faces what crooked, evil bastards they are, whereas before it was all kept swept under the rug.

I dunno. Feels like a trap to me.

a reply to: NthOther'''

...Does anyone else feel like we're being manipulated into developing an antagonistic relationship with the Sauds? I mean, everyone knew they were crooked, evil bastards... but now it's being shoved in our faces what crooked, evil bastards they are, whereas before it was all kept swept under the rug.

I dunno. Feels like a trap to me.

the actors/elites who were involved in creating the Narrative (WH & Sec of State) are being set up as the best possible persons to De-Fuse the mess...because they know the intracacies of the plots/plans which has led to the Saudi Mea Culpa of creating ISIS/ISIL to thwart the nasty Shia Caliphate of Iran/Persia from dominating the puppet Iraqi farce of a government

the USA, via Hillary as Sec-of-State & Obama laid the foundation to put Iran in the regional Drivers Seat so as to stop the Kurds from separating territory from Iraq and to have the Shia-Sunni friction increase between Iran-v-Arabia

this is mostly a distraction by the Saudi's so that Turkey can invade the Kurd areas under the pretense of the Kurds being enemy terrorists to NATO

If H Rodham Clinton does not ascend to the WH as planned, then BHO or even Biden will be appointed to lead...not too much difference than when Gerald Ford was appointed president/ i.e. never elected by popular vote...



in the details

originally posted by: WeRpeons
a reply to: 727Sky

Saudi Arabia should never have been an ally or friend to the United States. We've ignored their atrocious human rights record for years. We were more interested in keeping the flow of oil coming to this country than backing human rights principals. The Bush's were nothing but lap dogs for the Saudi Royals.

Welcome to the Jungle.

If you got the money, honey, we got your disease.

$$$$$$$$$ speaks louder words or actions it appears.

a reply to: NthOther

It is for this very reason I don't put much effort into making sure everything is properly sourced anymore--you're going to s# all over it and derail the thread anyway.

SO when the source is questionable then what does that say for the content?

If exposing a source for their usual BS is considered derailing a thread then so be it, but you should remember it's better to attack the source than the person using that source.

That's why you should make sure what you present is thoroughly sourced...sorry you have a problem with that.

I guess your one who will believe whatever is said online regardless the source...seems to be the in thing on ATS as of late.

The Saudis have some explaining to do...

Where is the actual proof that Saudi admitted they created ISIS.

This article quotes this line:

After the Iraqi city of Mosul fell to a lightning Isis offensive in 2014, even the late Prince Saud al-Faisal, the respected Saudi foreign minister, remonstrated with John Kerry, US secretary of state, that “Daesh [Isis] is our [Sunni] response to your support for the Da’wa” — the Tehran-aligned Shia Islamist ruling party of Iraq.

Without a source

I am all for exposing Saudi but this article seems to be deceptive and doesn’t really produce the actual proof of Saudis confessing this.

Where’s the beef?

a reply to: gladtobehere

Great post!


I'd also like to add Qatar and Kuwait to that equation.

The extremist group that is threatening the existence of the Iraqi state was built and grown for years with the help of elite donors from American supposed allies in the Persian Gulf region. There, the threat of Iran, Assad, and the Sunni-Shiite sectarian war trumps the U.S. goal of stability and moderation in the region.

It’s an ironic twist, especially for donors in Kuwait (who, to be fair, back a wide variety of militias). ISIS has aligned itself with remnants of the Baathist regime once led by Saddam Hussein. Back in 1990, the U.S. attacked Iraq in order to liberate Kuwait from Hussein’s clutches. Now Kuwait is helping the rise of his successors.

But in the years they were getting started, a key component of ISIS’s support came from wealthy individuals in the Arab Gulf States of Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Sometimes the support came with the tacit nod of approval from those regimes; often, it took advantage of poor money laundering protections in those states, according to officials, experts, and leaders of the Syrian opposition, which is fighting ISIS as well as the regime.

America's Allies Are Funding ISIS

Stavridis and other current U.S. officials suggest that the biggest share of the individual donations supporting ISIS and the most radical groups comes from Qatar rather than Saudi Arabia, and that the Qatari government has done less to stop the flow than its neighbors in Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates. One U.S. official said the Saudis are "more in line with U.S. foreign policy" than the Qataris.

Who's Funding ISIS? Wealthy Gulf 'Angel Investors,' Officials Say

And seeing that Qatar is a much smaller country than Saudi Arabia and has a much smaller population, I always figured it would be easier to track down their pro-ISIS donors. Especially since the US has a military base in Qatar (Al Udeid Air Base). Oh yeah, and let's not forget that Qatar is also a Wahhabi country with less than 300,000 citizens (and several million foreign workers). So our govt could definitely do background searches on their most powerful citizens if it wanted to.

If you add it all up, it seems like a shadow GCC-US-Turkey-Israeli coalition force that serves as both a convenient bogeyman for domestic policies and as "boots on the ground" to fight their common opponent Assad.

a reply to: Willtell

I agree. As much as I disagree with Wahhabism and many aspects of Saudi foreign and domestic policy, it feels like they're becoming the scapegoat for all of this. As if all of the other reports and issues have suddenly disappeared, like the reports of Turkey funneling ISIS's oil & slaves. And the reports of Israel possibly purchasing ISIS's oil that's disguised as Kurdish oil.

I believe ultimately the US government will never bust Saudi because both are complicit in all this evil stuff that began with 911 and goes back into the creation of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan in the 80's and 90's.
It’s like two criminals who committed a criminal act together and can’t rat on each other without implication themselves.


Pakistan is in on this as well, and likely a few other countries.


What's happening today is the same rotten formula they did in Afghanistan to fight the Russians.

I believe ultimately the US government will never bust Saudi because both are complicit in all this evil stuff that began with 911 and goes back into the creation of Al Qaeda in Afghanistan on those years.


It’s like two criminals who committed a criminal act together and can’t rat on each other without implication themselves.


Pakistan is in on this as well and likely a few other countries


There the Pakistanis created the Taliban as today Saudi, Turkey, and Qatar created and nourished ISIS


Turkey is the new Pakistan and just like Pakistan is paying in blood for creating these religious monsters, so now is Turkey.


So the world is paying for the folly of the US and its crooked allies

This stuff they have done is so evil that if the world knew it would shake
As Bush even said

"if the American people knew what we have done, they would string us up from the lamp posts," by George H.W. Bush come from?

a reply to: Willtell

That's why many businessmen and people in organized crime won't work w/someone unless that person has some dirt/blood on their hands. It's also why recruits and potential allies typically have to do some dirt during the initiation process and before any serious deals can be made. Having dirt on allies makes them less likely to snitch. (For what it's worth, law enforcement also does this with informants.)

This is the next chapter in the destabilisation and destruction of the Middle East.

The wahabi school of thought has become the perfect excuse to dispense with the Saudis.

Turkey can be left to the Russians to deal with. It won't be difficult to fuel that fire.

Iran will be isolated as the last credible threat to Israel and likely be provoked into a suitably destructive conflict.

The oil will still be under the ground when this is over.

Israel will be safe for hundreds of years.