Curt schilling fired over anti transgender post.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: Annee
No, its not.

If you reflect negatively on the company you work for - - - they have every right to fire you.

No matter what crappy job, you are still a representative of that company.

In Schilling's case - - - he probably signed a contract.

If the person reflects negatively on the company, you don't renew their contract. From what I've read he was professional on air.

Just gonna have to disagree.

If what you post on your own Facebook directly affects your employer and their image, and insults their customers - - - you're out. And this is not Schilling's first offense.

I was a business owner. If any of my employees posted something like this - - they better just not show up for work - - ever.

originally posted by: Dark Ghost

originally posted by: namelesss
It is typical ignorant bigotry!
A toxic disease that needs to be eradicated!

Low IQ & Conservative Beliefs Linked to Prejudice

news.yahoo.com...

"There's no gentle way to put it: People who give in to racism and prejudice may simply be dumb, according to a new study that is bound to stir public controversy...."

There is no causation or correlation between low intelligence and those who happen to be racist/bigoted/prejudiced. There are "dumb" people in all walks of life just as there are smart people in all walks of life.

I just presented the article, if the results of the study disturb you, take it up with the experimenters.
They'd probably ask you to focus, and to be specific in your complaints.

The agenda behind studies like the one you linked is to associate words like "racism and bigotry" with "stupid and ignorant" so strongly, that any time somebody argues a point in a debate that is non-PC they will be accused of racism (low intelligence) or being dumb (racist) and back off with their argument.

You throw out words like "their agenda", and I'll bet that you didn't even read the article, just saw my quote and became incensed!
As typical of a 'belief/ego' being defended, rather than any focused specific questioning, you attempt to cast doubt on the whole thing out of hand with your reckless dismissals.
I hear you whining but not saying anything.

If racism/prejudice/bigotry were really correlated with low intelligence, why were so many historical figures accused of possessing these attributes so intelligent?

Like I said, take it up with the facts.
And your inability to understand statistics, or your attempt to use them to lie to us, well... this is not a place for a lesson in 'statistics' or 'honesty'.

To be honest with you, I hear a practicing racist, in denial.
Thus the 'overcompensating reaction'.
You 'need' to not see yourself as a racist (or low IQ, I guess), and that someone might suggest that you 'are' triggers this defensive response.
I just offered a link, without condemning or condoning, and you flew all over me in desperate defense!
Perhaps getting in front of a mirror and saying over and over, "I am a practicing racist in denial!" might be the first step to recovery.
I am a racist, like everyone else.
I am recovering, which gives the appearance of being a lifetime practice!
Denial = practicing, and 'IQ' doesn't mean anything when it comes to recovery! *__-

It is my experience that the lower the IQ the more PRACTICING racists!
And I stand by my experience!
I think that any valid testing will bear that out!

originally posted by: namelesss
I just presented the article, if the results of the study disturb you, take it up with the experimenters.
They'd probably ask you to focus, and to be specific in your complaints.

Your attempts to make me come across as "disturbed" by the article are petty. I am not complaining, merely critiquing.

You throw out words like "their agenda", and I'll bet that you didn't even read the article, just saw my quote and became incensed!
As typical of a 'belief/ego' being defended, rather than any focused specific questioning, you attempt to cast doubt on the whole thing out of hand with your reckless dismissals.
I hear you whining but not saying anything.

I don't need to "cast doubt" on something that makes zero logical sense. If you truly think that intelligence correlates with views that are deemed prejudiced then I feel pity for you.

Like I said, take it up with the facts.
And your inability to understand statistics, or your attempt to use them to lie to us, well... this is not a place for a lesson in 'statistics' or 'honesty'.

There is a clear difference between having the ability to comprehend facts and utilising critical thinking skills to dismiss what is presented to you as facts by a party with an agenda.

To be honest with you, I hear a practicing racist, in denial.
Thus the 'overcompensating reaction'.
You 'need' to not see yourself as a racist (or low IQ, I guess), and that someone might suggest that you 'are' triggers this defensive response.

And the ad hominem attacks begin. Please excuse me if I don't take your armchair psychologist drivel seriously.

I just offered a link, without condemning or condoning, and you flew all over me in desperate defense!
Perhaps getting in front of a mirror and saying over and over, "I am a practicing racist in denial!" might be the first step to recovery.
I am a racist, like everyone else.
I am recovering, which gives the appearance of being a lifetime practice!
Denial = practicing, and 'IQ' doesn't mean anything when it comes to recovery! *__-

You have labelled me as a "praciticing racist in denial". I assume you have evidence to back up this assertion?

It is my experience that the lower the IQ the more PRACTICING racists!
And I stand by my experience!
I think that any valid testing will bear that out!

Your immature attempts to bait me into getting angry and validating the fanciful delusions you maintain won't work, I am not that easy.

a reply to: Annee

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I don't believe in absolutes, but employee rights are one that push that to the limit for me. If an employee is screwing up on the job, the employer is well within their rights to fire the person. Once someone is off the clock though, I don't see why they should tow the corporate line. Such an attitude to me would give reason to not renew a contract, but not a reason to void one.

These are companies that pay a person to do a job, not feudal overlords that can dictate how you live your life. Situations like this show how a company in many cases has way more control over a person than their government or local laws do and that's just not something I agree with.

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Annee

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I don't believe in absolutes, but employee rights are one that push that to the limit for me. If an employee is screwing up on the job, the employer is well within their rights to fire the person. Once someone is off the clock though, I don't see why they should tow the corporate line. Such an attitude to me would give reason to not renew a contract, but not a reason to void one.

These are companies that pay a person to do a job, not feudal overlords that can dictate how you live your life. Situations like this show how a company in many cases has way more control over a person than their government or local laws do and that's just not something I agree with.

I had a comment on FB once.. "slave for lowes" and nearly got fired for it. IT was taken as a insult to lowes corporate. COmpanies have NO SENSE OF HUMOR.

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Annee

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I don't believe in absolutes, but employee rights are one that push that to the limit for me. If an employee is screwing up on the job, the employer is well within their rights to fire the person. Once someone is off the clock though, I don't see why they should tow the corporate line. Such an attitude to me would give reason to not renew a contract, but not a reason to void one.

These are companies that pay a person to do a job, not feudal overlords that can dictate how you live your life. Situations like this show how a company in many cases has way more control over a person than their government or local laws do and that's just not something I agree with.

I had a comment on FB once.. "slave for lowes" and nearly got fired for it. IT was taken as a insult to lowes corporate. COmpanies have NO SENSE OF HUMOR.

What's that saying? "Don't bite the hand that feeds you".

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Annee

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I don't believe in absolutes, but employee rights are one that push that to the limit for me. If an employee is screwing up on the job, the employer is well within their rights to fire the person. Once someone is off the clock though, I don't see why they should tow the corporate line. Such an attitude to me would give reason to not renew a contract, but not a reason to void one.

These are companies that pay a person to do a job, not feudal overlords that can dictate how you live your life. Situations like this show how a company in many cases has way more control over a person than their government or local laws do and that's just not something I agree with.

I had a comment on FB once.. "slave for lowes" and nearly got fired for it. IT was taken as a insult to lowes corporate. COmpanies have NO SENSE OF HUMOR.

What's that saying? "Don't bite the hand that feeds you".

YEs very true. Even though it was off the clock. Thats what people dont understand. Yeah you may be at home but even off the clock you are still'on th eclock'

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Annee

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I don't believe in absolutes, but employee rights are one that push that to the limit for me. If an employee is screwing up on the job, the employer is well within their rights to fire the person. Once someone is off the clock though, I don't see why they should tow the corporate line. Such an attitude to me would give reason to not renew a contract, but not a reason to void one.

These are companies that pay a person to do a job, not feudal overlords that can dictate how you live your life. Situations like this show how a company in many cases has way more control over a person than their government or local laws do and that's just not something I agree with.

I had a comment on FB once.. "slave for lowes" and nearly got fired for it. IT was taken as a insult to lowes corporate. COmpanies have NO SENSE OF HUMOR.

What's that saying? "Don't bite the hand that feeds you".

YEs very true. Even though it was off the clock. Thats what people dont understand. Yeah you may be at home but even off the clock you are still'on th eclock'

I believe this has gone through the legal system and the employers won.

If you insult/damage the brand - - - you are personally responsible - - - and they have the right to fire you. Negativity affects profit.

They have the right to use programs at work to view whatever you do/put on your work computer. Of course, most people can't help but visit their personal stuff while at work.

If someone reports something you posted - - - you are responsible.

originally posted by: yuppa
YEs very true. Even though it was off the clock. Thats what people dont understand. Yeah you may be at home but even off the clock you are still'on th eclock'

If you're still on the clock, you should be getting paid for it.

originally posted by: Aazadan

originally posted by: yuppa
YEs very true. Even though it was off the clock. Thats what people dont understand. Yeah you may be at home but even off the clock you are still'on th eclock'

If you're still on the clock, you should be getting paid for it.

Civil Treatment for Managers is a good training to go through for any manager. Concepts like "duty to act" mean that you are able to be sued and held liable for all manner of things.

Further, as a manager that is on salary, the company you work for has a right to demand certain things from you. Further, if they pay your phone bill, they can demand you answer when they call.

For a salaried manager, there isn't really an "off the clock".

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: yuppa

originally posted by: Aazadan
a reply to: Annee

We'll just have to agree to disagree then. I don't believe in absolutes, but employee rights are one that push that to the limit for me. If an employee is screwing up on the job, the employer is well within their rights to fire the person. Once someone is off the clock though, I don't see why they should tow the corporate line. Such an attitude to me would give reason to not renew a contract, but not a reason to void one.

These are companies that pay a person to do a job, not feudal overlords that can dictate how you live your life. Situations like this show how a company in many cases has way more control over a person than their government or local laws do and that's just not something I agree with.

I had a comment on FB once.. "slave for lowes" and nearly got fired for it. IT was taken as a insult to lowes corporate. COmpanies have NO SENSE OF HUMOR.

What's that saying? "Don't bite the hand that feeds you".

YEs very true. Even though it was off the clock. Thats what people dont understand. Yeah you may be at home but even off the clock you are still'on th eclock'

It is one of those things that we lost when we continue to feed on the lie that we are free, when we choose to be enslaved.

We gave away our freedom, our dignity, our rights, to become owners of material objects. We are now slaves to the objects, and owned by the corporations that provide them.

I hear people complaining everyday about the unfair demands being made by their jobs. I also hear everyday from some of these same people, "At least I have a job."

The price many are paying for a paycheck is making them broke. Broke in mind, spirit, and body; and it is designed to keep them broke financially, so they will continue to drink at the well.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Just don't be a jerk and you will succeed in life, no one is enslaving anything.

If you want to be a pompous dork-off, then don't expect to be hired at any jobs, or keep you current one.

Be nice and the world will treat you fairly.

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Just don't be a jerk and you will succeed in life, no one is enslaving anything.

If you want to be a pompous dork-off, then don't expect to be hired at any jobs, or keep you current one.

Be nice and the world will treat you fairly.

Many of the demands being made by the corporations have little or nothing to do with a person being nice. It is about follow our rules no matter how unfair, illegal, or demeaning, or else.

I find that the nicer and the more flexible an employee is, the more they get screwed.

Fairness in not on the average corporate vocabulary list.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

so we are talking about corporations in general? Great, I work at one. They can take away your bonus (%50 of your paycheck) and say "you don't like it, work somewhere else"?

We DO have the choice to work somewhere else.

and again, if we are loud ignorant dicks in our free time, they can fire us also, bc it looks bad on the company. They can find a legal reason, such as not making enough sales, not doing the job, etc.

a reply to: veracity

We DO have the choice to work somewhere else. and again, if we are loud ignorant dicks in our free time, they can fire us also, bc it looks bad on the company. They can find a legal reason, such as not making enough sales, not doing the job, etc.

There are many more people that are not "ignorant dicks", that are being forced to make the choice between a paycheck, and unfair and illegal treatment. Working for a company should not mean having to accept what they say, when they say it, whether it is right for the customer or the employee, as long as it is right for the company.

It shouldn't be that way, but when you place the value of a paycheck over the value of your dignity, respect, and self-worth, what we get is corporate owners.

And yes you are right. You have the choice to leave. You also have the choice to try to make it right.

In fairness and honesty, I tried the latter without success, that is why I ended up making the first choice. I downsized on land-fill, and up-sized on Terra firma. No regrets. I found out I don't need as much as I had allowed to myself to believe.

I now have the time to enjoy much of what I had missed chasing the dollar, and even have the time to donate and give back to my community.

We do have choices. The trick is making the right ones.

a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Many great people, great minds were fired from my company...all of them suffered very minimally and are at better jobs than before now.

I think most people stay and put up with the abuse bc they are comfortable, I know that's what Im doing. It is sad, to me, that I do that bc I have a very creative mind.

originally posted by: NightSkyeB4Dawn

. . . being forced to make the choice between a paycheck, and unfair and illegal treatment.

What do you consider unfair and illegal treatment?

originally posted by: veracity
It is sad, to me, that I do that bc I have a very creative mind.

Is your creative mind profitable for the company?

A business is about the profit.

I'm not exactly sure when it became that a business was supposed to be a "feel good" experience.

originally posted by: veracity
a reply to: NightSkyeB4Dawn

Many great people, great minds were fired from my company...all of them suffered very minimally and are at better jobs than before now.

I think most people stay and put up with the abuse bc they are comfortable, I know that's what Im doing. It is sad, to me, that I do that bc I have a very creative mind.

What are you waiting for? For them to raze your beautiful mind and kick you to the curb, when they have left you nothing but a shell?

Maybe it is time to move outside of your comfort zone and be all that you can be.

Funny thing about money. You can never have enough. Yet, most of the time you always find a way when you have less.

a reply to: Annee

I am of NO profit to the company, just a working body.