Russian Engineer Reveals Evidence for Advanced Ancient Civilisation

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
I don't understand how anyone can look at these findings and think some dumb desert dwelling nomads and slaves did work on stone like this.

Especially the drill holes and the sarcophagus made from one piece.

Can we move on past the official narrative yet?

Dumb dessert dwellers really they understood algebra even did surgery. See they were as smart as you and some smarter they had the same brains we do. You have an advatge becuae your knowledge is built on all those smart people that came before you. It's funny how willing people are to put down our ancestors as little more than walking monkeys. You should be proud the things mankind has done in its past we are truly singular on earth in our accomplishments. No ther species has built things or traveled to the moon. Mankind is unique in our ability to shape our world. People like you that somehow believe your smarter just diminished mankind and our ancestors. Instead of thinking your smarter why don't you look into what they accomplished and his I think you will realize what an incredivle species at can be.

a reply to: dragonridr


What's funny is that you posted that whole diatribe to me because I forgot to put "dumb" in parenthesis.

Went back and added parentheses. It's settled. Can we move on? Thanks

originally posted by: dragonridr
a reply to: tigertatzen

Just remeber when we found the workers village we got a chance to see what they did. Everyone had speaclized jobs. Even have some of the team names as they competed with each other. I see your point about slavery but it wasn't that way. People would leave their homes to work it was a job. They needed carpenters and blacksmiths, cooks, architects, barge operators, management personel, fisherman, stone masons general laborers and yes I can keep going.

Realize this was a works project ot meant income to egyptian families many of whom probably wouldn't have survived without the income. As far as when people work together amazing things can be done look at hiatory. We have gothic cathedrals roman archetecture. The tomans took working with stone to new levels. They were able to carve true works of art in marble completely by hand. We look at it and marvel but to a stone mason it was his career. He learned from the previous etc and so forth.

The problem people have when they say things like copper tools can't cut stone is malibility. Bit of course that helps when dealing with sand. A new blade I guarantee wasn't food for cutting you need the sand to get embedded into the copper, meaning the more you used it the better it worked up to the point it was to warn to continue. Then you return it to the blacksmith he gives you a new one and reforges the old one. Everyone had a role to play today we look at it and think of the time and well frankly are unwillingness to invest the time needed. Think it took Leonardo 4 years to paint the sistine chappel to is that insane to him it was his lifes work.

I guess we're just going to have to disagree on the slavery thing. To me, it's the same. But things were also very different then in almost every aspect so perhaps they did not find issue with it.

If they actually did do this with simple implements, I can accept that too...but like a lot of people, I would need to see it in action. And so far, that has not happened.

It is not even remotely unbelievable to me that these creations were a life's work. As I pointed out, they knew they'd be working a lifetime...they knew how long they'd likely live.

What IS unbelievable to me is the idea that this booming civilization, who were advanced enough to perform surgical procedures and talented enough to create these astonishing works of art, spent their entire lives rubbing stones together because they had nothing better to do with all their extra time. That strikes me as absurd, so I questioned it.

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
a reply to: tigertatzen

I suggest you rethink your argument; The idea that the Great Pyramid was built by slaves is laughable.

Haven't you heard? Everyone was a slave in olden times (but not today).

No, "everyone" was not a slave, by any stretch. But in ancient Egypt, yes, they had slaves. The lower class were not treated very well and it was a hard life. They didn't live very long on average.

Mock me all you like, but I was not mocking you. I asked you a valid question. I was expecting an adult reaction, but I see that was a fruitless hope.

I'm not mocking you. Musing about peoples beliefs. Slaves are everywhere, soldiers are slaves, addicts are slaves, the bottom of the rung poor are slaves, rich people are slaves to their money. They hire illegal immigrants and make slaves of them today, too.

Sex slaves, slaves to religion, politics, TV, sports, gaming, guns, pride, anger, nationalism… takes all kinds of slaves to run a world. Everybody is a slave to something.

I can only wonder what governments know about our past and why they have chosen to ignore all the evidence that shows our past is NOT what is stated in history books.

The narrative is that gained knowledge on an incremental scale and evolved from people who were literally 'retarded' by today's standards, and somehow we are at the apex of engineering and architectural technology. I believe fully that we had a period, if not more than one, where certain civilizations had a better understanding and we have DEVOLVED.

a reply to: dragonridr


Thank-you for that insight, DragonRidr. It's interesting (crazy?) that an entire country would be willing to suffer so many deaths, just to build a monument.

originally posted by: ColdWisdom
a reply to: Alien Abduct

The ancients simply didnt have the capability to cut with diamonds. There is no historical evidence of diamond made cutting tools used by the ancients that I am aware of.

There is no historical evidence of ET building pyramids either, but I'm sure that wouldn't stop you from believing it.

I didnt say i believe aliens built those things.

And what does that have to do with the statement you are referring to that did not include me saying that?

originally posted by: dragonridr

originally posted by: Alien Abduct
I would like to add that the video ppinted out some small objects that were CUT with precision. Some of these objects werr made from mountain crystal. Mountain crystal can only be cut with diamond.

The ancients simply didnt have the capability to cut with diamonds. There is no historical evidence of diamond made cutting tools used by the ancients that I am aware of.

Cutting crystal is easier then stone cause it to fracture then polish. Mankind learned how to work crystal before most stone. Obsidian for example has been found to be used by stone age man. You can wear down anything with patients and sanding. Jewlers cut diamond with a steel chisel and hammer and lots of time. Turning a crystal into pouder is easy trick is being very careful where you do it.

breaking and fracturing is different from cutting no?

My Vote is for some type of fly wheel. The concept of late age wheel creation has always seemed ridiculous to me. A wheel is a very base concept. I don't think evolutionarily bonobos are even that far away from rudimentary use themselves.

Suspending a large stone wheel and spinning it isn't difficult for a group of people and because of the effects inherent to object spin it becomes easier to carve into a circle. If you could maintain stability you could easily cut through a rock with a large rock fly wheel.

Thanks for the video. Absolutely loved it. I just love this subject. It infuriates me that modern science just can't admit it!! We think ourselves as so advanced and that we're advancing every day however, no one ever thinks that we can go backwards too? Take for instance Concord? We once had the ability to fly across the ocean supersonic? Now we put put along with no further advancement.

a reply to: CaptainBeno

Actually, the Concorde is returning.

originally posted by: BatheInTheFountain
I can only wonder what governments know about our past and why they have chosen to ignore all the evidence that shows our past is NOT what is stated in history books.

The narrative is that gained knowledge on an incremental scale and evolved from people who were literally 'retarded' by today's standards, and somehow we are at the apex of engineering and architectural technology. I believe fully that we had a period, if not more than one, where certain civilizations had a better understanding and we have DEVOLVED.

That is sounding more and more plausible to me every day as well...especially in light of recent events politically and otherwise. It seems like the process is accelerating, too.

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: tigertatzen

originally posted by: intrptr

originally posted by: AdmireTheDistance
a reply to: tigertatzen

I suggest you rethink your argument; The idea that the Great Pyramid was built by slaves is laughable.

Haven't you heard? Everyone was a slave in olden times (but not today).

No, "everyone" was not a slave, by any stretch. But in ancient Egypt, yes, they had slaves. The lower class were not treated very well and it was a hard life. They didn't live very long on average.

Mock me all you like, but I was not mocking you. I asked you a valid question. I was expecting an adult reaction, but I see that was a fruitless hope.

I'm not mocking you. Musing about peoples beliefs. Slaves are everywhere, soldiers are slaves, addicts are slaves, the bottom of the rung poor are slaves, rich people are slaves to their money. They hire illegal immigrants and make slaves of them today, too.

Sex slaves, slaves to religion, politics, TV, sports, gaming, guns, pride, anger, nationalism… takes all kinds of slaves to run a world. Everybody is a slave to something.

Well if you were not in fact mocking me, then I apologize. And I agree. Everyone is indeed enslaved by something. And those who liken their modern daily grind to slavery would probably not even last a couple of hours if transported back to one of these ancient civilizations and made to live as they did.

Even the ones who got paid never got to live long enough to see any personal benefit...they worked their entire lives so that we can sit here and piece together how they did it. I wonder if they ever thought that thousands of years in the future they would be the topic of someone else's debate?

I think those pyramids are machines that created the planet. Instead of traveling thru space, we can create new planet. Put it in the "life zone" proximity of sun, move the old planet out(asteroid belt).

originally posted by: boomstick88
I think those pyramids are machines that created the planet. Instead of traveling thru space, we can create new planet. Put it in the "life zone" proximity of sun, move the old planet out(asteroid belt).

Interesting...if I'm not mistaken, there's a documentary out there in which they describe the inner chambers of the Giza pyramid as resembling that of a machine of some kind. But they can't get deep enough inside to see the rest of it. This was a couple of years ago...one of the rare occasions that I've watched television. Very intriguing.

a reply to: jeep3r

Putting this "short". That something "looks" machined, does not make it so ... wind and water, has shaped stones in machine like manners, and it has been known ... for decades.

IFF any civilization used tools to make it, you need to provide the tools ... and unless you "uncover" these tools, these are "shaped" through use of natural materials, as is known to ancient man.

originally posted by: Alien Abduct

originally posted by: Halfswede
I think this is the general problem with the study of ancient cultures (lack of engineers and other specialized experts involved with theorizing what happened) . I have seen this evidence before and believe many to be machine tool marks. That said, it doesn't mean they were electric powered or alien technology, just machines (spinning abrasive discs, saws etc.).

The Machu Pichu stonework however is of another kind in my opinion. Not machined. Something lost to modern man.

If people looked at our tools after a thousand years, they would think we didn't have steel tools since it would all be rusted away.

But the small diamonds embedded in the steel that did the actual cutting, where are they? Rusted away? Lolz

Do you people even realize how hard granite is? Do you guys realize what it takes to cut a 20X7 foot chunk of granite with that precision?

I think the video make a very strong case and has yet to be even remotely countered adequately.

Well, they had all day and the markets were open late.

I have no problem with lost tech or another civilization we don't know about.

I do have a problem with people claiming that everything was pounded out by hand, 24/7.

And even that rock softener I have my doubts about, used on the scale it needed to be and what would it do to human flesh if it made rock into playdough?

It's crazy to think these people had nothing to do except pound rocks for generations.

Was life so perfect for them? No wars, famines, strife?

originally posted by: carewemust
With so much labor toiling away in the heat, you'd think there would be thousands of skeletons in a big pit. Ironically, a pit that was dug by the slave laborers for their own demise, once it became apparent that these projects would kill a lot of men..and women?

Maybe they had a big garbage disposal?

Yeah, there has to be at least 1 or 2 heads, arms or legs stuck between the blocks somewhere in the pyramids. Right?

If the dummies were used to bull the blocks around, there had to have been a lot of accidents.

OSHA wasn't invented yet.