McDonald's Says its Wage Hikes Are Improving Service

a reply to: CranialSponge

Indeed, and robots will replace most of us to boot.

Only a few of us will have those highly sought after "house jobs", as robots will do the rest. The rest of us? We'll all be fighting in a Mad Max wasteland for the scraps left over from today, looting the wastelands to survive.

Meanwhile, the top few hundred thousand richest people on the planet will hole up in Dubai, safe and secure...

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: onequestion

What's that have to do with anything dude what are you talking about you make no sense?

I'm talking about owning a Macdonalds

You said this:

It's a lazy investment if you ask me with a slow rate of return and nothing creative about it and a drain on the local economy.

McDonald's is not a drain on local economies.

Uhh yeah it is it funnels money out of the local economy to the corporate big wigs at the top and lays its workers #ty low wages giving them no purchasing power to participate in anything small business related.

a reply to: onequestion
The capital investment brings money into the economy. Paying skilled construction workers high wages to build the stores. Paying local truckers to deliver materials, and supplies for operations. Paying local sales and property taxes.

originally posted by: CranialSponge
a reply to: MystikMushroom





With the way things are going, I can totally see the middle class becoming a thing of the past and we all end up going back to working as maids, servants, cooks, and court jesters to our select few overlords.

The Leaked Citi Group Memo from 2005 to their wealthy clients basically spells it out. The people of the world and technology are to be exploited in order to enrich themselves. We exist to serve them. These people have no soul.

politicalgates.blogspot.com...

"Are they real?" That's the question people usually ask when they hear for the first time of the "Citigroup Plutonomy Memos." The sad truth is: Yes, they are real, and instead of being discussed on mainstream media outlets all over America and beyond, Citigroup was surprisingly successful so far in suppressing these memos, using their lawyers to issue takedown-notices whenever these memos were being made available for download on the internet.

originally posted by: MystikMushroom
a reply to: CranialSponge

Indeed, and robots will replace most of us to boot.

Only a few of us will have those highly sought after "house jobs", as robots will do the rest. The rest of us? We'll all be fighting in a Mad Max wasteland for the scraps left over from today, looting the wastelands to survive.

Meanwhile, the top few hundred thousand richest people on the planet will hole up in Dubai, safe and secure...

And for those that say this will never happen...
As has been repeated many times, do politicians care about us?

Nope, they only care about their next donation from the wealthy

a reply to: jacobe001

Wow reading your link now how have I never heard of that before.

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: onequestion
The capital investment brings money into the economy. Paying skilled construction workers high wages to build the stores. Paying local truckers to deliver materials, and supplies for operations. Paying local sales and property taxes.

You missed making people sick to put more money into the medical industry

originally posted by: TSefu
a reply to: onequestion

I don't hate the idea raising the minimum wage because given inflation it's far too low and people are hurting, but the entire economy has flowed upwards for however many years while salary has gone nowhere. If the country as a whole wasn't sold out over the same amount of years and gutted by politicians in conjunction with corporations 15 an hour wouldn't even be a issue because people could afford the uptick in cost. I don't like the fact most of America is up #s creek but there's a lot of places that can't afford to run a business like that. It's a #ty situation but the entire economy needs an overhaul that I doubt is coming, just raising the minimum wage isn't a magic bullet to make things better. McDonald's workers I'm sure are working to keep their jobs at that rate but what about the college educated people making about the same doing more meaningful work? they're probably thinking # my job

Most college graduates are working no where near as hard as fast food employees. Fast Food employees have to get stuff done in literal seconds, otherwise they won't keep the job very long.
You tell a college graduate to do that......good luck.

Minimum wage is just that.
The lowest possible wage one can earn.
Why on earth would someone settle for that?
Minimum wage is the lowest possible wage for the lowest amount of training and responsibility.
Why is it some corporations fault that someone would walk up in there, fill out an application and ask for a job with little training and low responsibility?
If you believe you should earn more then do more. Why do people act as if minimum wage is the ONLY wage possible?
Its not but it is a choice that people make by not improving their situation.

This is a ridiculous and destructive mindset.
If you indeed want/demand a "living wage" then go get it. Why demand it from others?

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: onequestion

A decent wage makes people value their job and not want to lose it.

People act like it is the only wage, because many times its up to a few other people how much money the individual makes. Yes, some people are just lazy, so pay them $7.50. But some people arent and they still make $7.50. If wage is raised, it might make the lazy people less lazy.

Me for example, I am a distiller. How many people can say they can do that? Yes, what I make is not a necessity to life. BUT there is alot of demand for the product I can make. I make less than 20k a year after deductions. I go to find a new job and my boss throws a hissy fit. I was like welp, you want good work you gotta pay for it. Now tootaloo-boogaloo.

originally posted by: onequestion
a reply to: jacobe001

Wow reading your link now how have I never heard of that before.

Yep
The top wealthy elite knew the problems coming down the pipe before it even made the mass media.....well especially when they are the ones that helped create it via globalist policies.

So, with globalism over nationalism the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
If they go back to a pro nationalist stance, they will not be as rich anymore.
If they institute a basic income they will be part of the ones paying for it.
If they do nothing, the social upheaval will increase

what to do what to do.....

As the memo said way back in 2005, if people feel disenfranchised from the current economic system, they will put someone in power that represents their interests

I present to you Bernie and Trump.....assuming they are not plants
If they are and nothing changes then people will continue to find people to put into power that represent their interests and the social fabric will get even worse.

The latest meeting at Davos Switzerland had this to say:

shadowproof.com...
CITIGROUP, DAVOS WORRY ABOUT POPULAR BACKLASH TO NEOLIBERAL ORDER

From January 20-23, the global elite met in Davos, Switzerland for the annual World Economic Forum. The themes this year were the dangers of inequality and terrorism to the current world order, an order those present have benefited the most from and have charged themselves with maintaining.

Citigroup echoed Schwab’s concerns that current economic trends will cause social problems with fears of a populist backlash or what Citigroup referred to as “Vox Populi risk.”

Via e-mail, he spelled out his concerns: “Dealing with the growing inequality and possible growing job losses caused by the Fourth Industrial Revolution will require a much larger redistributive role for the state. A guaranteed minimum income and universal state-funded health care, funded out of taxes would not raise many eyebrows in Europe. It would meet huge resistance in the U.S., where there only is a decent social safety net for the old.”

The wealthy in the US love globalism when it pads their pockets but ignore the consequences of it on others in this country. What to do what to do.

originally posted by: Flesh699

Most college graduates are working no where near as hard as fast food employees. Fast Food employees have to get stuff done in literal seconds, otherwise they won't keep the job very long.
You tell a college graduate to do that......good luck.

I'm glad our team isn't "most college graduates".
I have a bachelors in construction management.
My project manager has a bachelors in business with an emphasis in construction.
Our project engineer has a bachelors in civil engineering.
One superintendent has a masters the other a bachelors.
We're building a 13 million dollar project at the moment.
Our project engineer sends out hundreds of RFIs a day, we had 5 months to build out a 85k sq ft high end retail and we're 2 months away from the finish line. We make decisions everyday that involve whether $30k-$200K will be saved or lost.
If we screw up you don't get a McFish instead of a McBerger.
I'm pretty sure there are a lot of college grads in NASA that have more responsibility than touching pictures of bergers on a screen in literal seconds.

originally posted by: TSefu

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: TSefu

Okay, you edited. I think minimum wage is feasible depending on the revenue of the business. Of course there needs to be some flexibility for small business owners and new starters. However, you said "what about the college educated people making about the same doing more meaningful work?". If they're doing more meaningful work then they have obviously got a job in their chosen field, you're contradicting yourself.

You think flipping a burger at McDonalds is meaningful work? You think the people at McDonalds don't wish they could get a better job? You think people who took out maybe $100k dollars in student loans to get an education and have to pay off loans should be making the same(In yes more meaningful jobs) if they can even find a job coming out. Obviously you think raising minimum wage to 15 across the board is going to fix everything. Good for you, I got a unicorn I'd like to sell you. I'd like to see the actual economy as a whole make a comeback but I'm not going to pretend to be smart enough to think I have a golden bullet. Bitch to your politicians, not me. I don't have a problem with helping people if it's feasible.

Cooking simple meals such as making hamburgers on the stove top at home and serving people is meaningful to many people for a variety of reasons.

There are people who find it meaningful to cook for their family or just a significant other. After an extended time of doing this, if they are not recognized with appreciation for what they do and do not feel valued for it, but their living needs are met, it still effects them emotionally. If positive validation isn't given to sustain them emotionally, a sense of duty usually overrides and they seek validation to meet their emotional needs from another person/group or activity of some sort in something else.

Volunteering to cook and serve the homeless meals is meaningful to many for different reasons. Volunteers may see it as valuable to them out of compassion and they can also see it as a duty. Some feel validated for it with being recognized in award ceremonies. Volunteers usually have their living needs met.

Having said that, most employees who are not paid enough to meet their needs with rising costs of living, cannot fulfil their duty expected of them in society which is to be able to support themselves or children financially by working. Duty is now changed because they cannot fullfill the duty to provide for themselves or families, with the change being a duty to change their circumstances preventing them from fullfilling their duty to support themselves and/or children. In addition to not having a quick way that will allow them to perform the duty of meeting their basic needs, they also bear the need to be validated just like everyone else who CAN meet their living needs.

People who can fullfill their duty and meet living costs and who feel validated with now being able to reward themselves and family by having enough additional spending money to go to a water park or host a barbecue and invite friends, perform better at work and at home and are happier people who can emotionally validate each other better saying, "good job" or "thanks for helping me."

That said, I'm glad this worked out for everyone.

a reply to: WhiteWingedMonolith

None of things matter only the bottom line and your skill level that's it.

I just wish it could become "common sense" that treating others well is the best thing for any business. Workers aren't "cogs" in a machine and people who buy things aren't "consumers". It's just hard to see how there can be any progress at all in the world without the realization that other people matter, have feelings, etc.

This is the same thing with treating the environment well, etc.

Doing things that are good = their own reward. All of this taking shortcuts and short-changing people, etc. is short-sighted thinking. Yes, it works, but it causes a myriad of other problems.

I had a good job, working for a "good" company. The minute I found out they were using essentially slave labor from a 3rd world country...mainly because they asked me to beat up on those people for not producing during a natural disaster. I quit and I told them why I quit. Not that it mattered, and it hurt to lose a nice fluffy paycheck, but I'd do it again in a heartbeat.

The real bottom line is this: treating other people and the planet we live on as something to be exploited for our own personal gain, damn the consequences, will leave humanity with nothing but suffering.

Although, I can see where lower-level, paraprofessionals who've worked hard for what they have being frustrated by suddenly being on the same economic rung as minimum-wage earners. It's hard to say how fairness can be worked into the system without creating some other kind of mess.... but that's definitely something worth working on as a society.

originally posted by: Wide-Eyes
a reply to: onequestion

A decent wage makes people value their job and not want to lose it.

This is actually correct, but not for the reasons onequestion believes. As wages rise, jobs become harder to get (minority youth unemployment rate anyone?) so most people work harder once they have a job.

Notice that in Seattle they had their biggest 3 month job loss in history right after they raised minimum wage (and they're not even to the $15/hr yet).

a reply to: Dfairlite

Are you advocating for lower wages?

How do you feel about corporations being more profitable now than ever and how do you feel about production being better than ever?

Or do you just hate it when people make more money?

a reply to: onequestion

"Are you advocating for lower wages?"

I'm advocating for more people to be able to find a job when they want one. To go from making $0/hr to $7.25 is a big bump. It is you that is advocating someone lose their job.

"How do you feel about corporations being more profitable now than ever and how do you feel about production being better than ever? "

Quite the blanket statement. What corporations are we talking about? Walmarts profit margins are slightly down in the last 11 years. Which corporations are being super evil today? I mean, there's starbucks, whose margins have increased from 7% to nearly 12.5%, but they're run by a big government liberal so they're not evil.

"Or do you just hate it when people make more money? "

See my answer to the first question.

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: onequestion

"Are you advocating for lower wages?"

I'm advocating for more people to be able to find a job when they want one. To go from making $0/hr to $7.25 is a big bump. It is you that is advocating someone lose their job.

"How do you feel about corporations being more profitable now than ever and how do you feel about production being better than ever? "

Quite the blanket statement. What corporations are we talking about? Walmarts profit margins are slightly down in the last 11 years. Which corporations are being super evil today? I mean, there's starbucks, whose margins have increased from 7% to nearly 12.5%, but they're run by a big government liberal so they're not evil.

"Or do you just hate it when people make more money? "

See my answer to the first question.

It seems like kind of a strategy game where companies want to pay as few people as possible, as little as possible to operate. The workers/voters demand $15/hr min wage = OK, we'll go to another country with some of the jobs, build a robot to do it, or fire one guy to pay for the other.

At the same time, people should be fairly compensated for their efforts. That is worth fighting for and would improve a lot of things, over all. A society can't abuse a whole layer of people without it causing trouble. Abuse always leads to trouble.

As a quote I read from Chesterton stated...I paraphrase...the problem seems to be, in large part, the result of the wage-earners vs. the owners set-up.

"Nobody sees the largest danger of our age: it is too simple. It is simply that the rich are slowly enslaving the poor, partly by industrial despotism, partly by scientific benevolence, partly by State officialism. As in the dark ages a feudal tower might rise higher and higher over a wider and wider crowd of cottages, so in our time the tall silk hat is, in fact, rising higher and higher over a wider and wider sea of cloth caps. It may be a doctor's hat, or a capitalist's, or a politician's. I care nothing. It is made of silk." ~G.K. Chesterton: "Daily News" (Feb. 25, 1911)

The trick is fixing this set up without ending up with the messiness we've seen in attempts at communism. I wish there was an easy clear answer. Greed and/or envy really do underlie a lot of the problem. Not sure how you get humans to stop being so human, really.

originally posted by: SisterDelirium

originally posted by: Dfairlite
a reply to: onequestion

"Are you advocating for lower wages?"

I'm advocating for more people to be able to find a job when they want one. To go from making $0/hr to $7.25 is a big bump. It is you that is advocating someone lose their job.

"How do you feel about corporations being more profitable now than ever and how do you feel about production being better than ever? "

Quite the blanket statement. What corporations are we talking about? Walmarts profit margins are slightly down in the last 11 years. Which corporations are being super evil today? I mean, there's starbucks, whose margins have increased from 7% to nearly 12.5%, but they're run by a big government liberal so they're not evil.

"Or do you just hate it when people make more money? "

See my answer to the first question.

It seems like kind of a strategy game where companies want to pay as few people as possible, as little as possible to operate. The workers/voters demand $15/hr min wage = OK, we'll go to another country with some of the jobs, build a robot to do it, or fire one guy to pay for the other.

At the same time, people should be fairly compensated for their efforts. That is worth fighting for and would improve a lot of things, over all. A society can't abuse a whole layer of people without it causing trouble. Abuse always leads to trouble.

As a quote I read from Chesterton stated...I paraphrase...the problem seems to be, in large part, the result of the wage-earners vs. the owners set-up.

"Nobody sees the largest danger of our age: it is too simple. It is simply that the rich are slowly enslaving the poor, partly by industrial despotism, partly by scientific benevolence, partly by State officialism. As in the dark ages a feudal tower might rise higher and higher over a wider and wider crowd of cottages, so in our time the tall silk hat is, in fact, rising higher and higher over a wider and wider sea of cloth caps. It may be a doctor's hat, or a capitalist's, or a politician's. I care nothing. It is made of silk." ~G.K. Chesterton: "Daily News" (Feb. 25, 1911)

The trick is fixing this set up without ending up with the messiness we've seen in attempts at communism. I wish there was an easy clear answer. Greed and/or envy really do underlie a lot of the problem. Not sure how you get humans to stop being so human, really.

I agree with your summation (the job of the employee is to get the most amount of money possible for the least amount of work, and the job of the employer is to pay as little as possible for the most work). What has to happen is the working class has to fight for their piece of the pie. We know the business owners will fight for theirs, but the working class seems to have become all too reliant on government (see them demand minimum wage raises, rather than taking that up with the business owners). Business owners won't be bullied by the government to take money out of their pocket. They just hire better people for the jobs they have and don't hire the less skilled.

That being said, most of the people I know believe they are fairly compensated for what they do. As a 16 yr old working at burger king for $5/hr I know I thought I was being fairly compensated at the time. In my current job making many folds that much I believe I'm fairly compensated now. The only time I felt I wasn't fairly compensated in my career was when I was deployed to the desert.