Players So ‘Upset and Distraught’ Over Chants That They ‘Weren’t Able to Finish the Game’

a reply to: peck420

Punishment for bad behavior is not "bullying".

If my daughter breaks a rule at our house, I take her iphone away. I am in a position of power being her parent. Am I being a bully? Or am I teaching her a lesson that there are consequences for her bad behavior?

When the kids on participating in a school event, the school administration is in power. They need to teach them a lesson that there are consequences for bad behavior.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan

originally posted by: amicktd

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: amicktd

Oh my God....the injustice of it all!

Not sure when you grew up, but I grew up in a time where the phrase "sticks and stones will break my bones, but words can never harm me" was actually taught (ad nauseum) to kids. Because the world is hard, cold, and doesn't give 1/2 of a slimy green turd for any of us.

If it helps: no matter how much arguing is done here, no social justice will be found on ATS for these girls. Its just wasted effort.

I know right, Oh my God. God forbid I disagree with you guys, I feel it is morally wrong what happened at that game. I guess that makes me a snowflake though right? I also don't know when you grew up, but when I grew up racism wasn't ok then either. Whats the point of ATS then? Aren't we here to debate?

Im not calling you a "snowflake". I doubt you'll see me use that term any time soon, actually.

And im happy to see you express your opinion. If you wouldn't mind allowing the same from me?

Racism has never been "OK" in my lifetime (born in 72). But neither has telling someone that they can't be racist. Because, like it or not, there is nothing in the constitution that protects us from words that hurt. And there is no law that I have seen that makes the uttering of racist terms criminal.

An asshole standing on the corner screaming the N word at the top of his lungs may be in his right to do so. Even if you don't like it. Just be glad that he can do that....it makes it easier to spot him as an asshole.

I can agree to that, what I can't agree to is this happening from a crowd at a school event which I'm sure is against the rules. Then it's perpetuated on ATS as the girls are just whiners. I guess certain people will never understand the damage racism can do to young minds.

a reply to: kaylaluv

oh yeah, in my school they woulda:

- kicked us out of the game immediately
- lined us up outside the office to administer swats. At least 3 per student
- likely administered ISS
- anyone in athletics would have been disqualified from participation, and would have spent their athletic period running bleachers or wind sprints with the weight vest on.


Then just about any parent I know would have likely beat that ass again, and grounded the ever loving hell out of the child.

The reaction would be wholly visceral. And well deserved.

a reply to: amicktd

The girls ARE whiners. They didn't finish the game.

That is completely separate from the assholes in the stands.

I think poorly of both groups. One for being racist assholes. The other for being weak pansies. No one won.

a reply to: kaylaluv
It does not matter who the chanters were. If anything they are narrow minded and are of little to no consequences, if anything if the girls had won, then what would those chanters had looked like?

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
a reply to: amicktd

The girls ARE whiners. They didn't finish the game.

That is completely separate from the assholes in the stands.

I think poorly of both groups. One for being racist assholes. The other for being weak pansies. No one won.

I still disagree man, the girls aren't whiners in my book. They protested the game, which is the best way to handle that situation. Crowds cheering racist chants isn't normal no matter how many people in this thread proclaim they have had the same happen to them, which I highly doubt. Maybe between the players playing the game, but I doubt the crowd was involved.

There is one thing I learned from this thread. Protesting something = Being a snowflake

a reply to: kaylaluv

Public shaming is most certainly bullying.

Nor does it share anything in relation to removing a luxury as a form of punishment.

originally posted by: sdcigarpig
a reply to: kaylaluv
It does not matter who the chanters were. If anything they are narrow minded and are of little to no consequences, if anything if the girls had won, then what would those chanters had looked like?

Most likely, it would have pissed the chanters off, so that they would be even more hateful the next time. And why not, as they got away with the first time...

If you don't nip that kind of crap in the bud with young people, they can grow up to be racist adults. And racist adults can do more damage than just some chanting.

a reply to: amicktd

There is a time to protest. In th emiddle of battle is not the time.

You can call it protest. Maybe thats fine. But I call it quitting. And I find it a rather unsavory character trait. But im kinda like a bulldog, and appreciate tenacity over just about anything other than intellect.

Its ok...we don't have to agree. But my not agreeing with you doesn't make me wrong or racist. Same with everyone else. The same as it doesn't make you a snowflake.

a reply to: Metallicus

all the special snowflakes

I just love how we pick up terms and pass them on until they are tired and weary

originally posted by: kaylaluv
If you don't nip that kind of crap in the bud with young people, they can grow up to be racist adults. And racist adults can do more damage than just some chanting.

I completely agree.
Here in the UK such chants have been mostly stamped out through legislation at the top professional levels.
70's and 80's Britain wasn't pretty with racism pretty rampant. With each generation the racists are dying out so we've reached a society where racist chants or comments will be scorned by the overwhelming majority of people.

I've watched my son play rugby from the age of 6 to the young adult he is now representing his town on the pitch.
I've never seen or heard any such chanting or insults from crowds, but then rugby is an exception compared to football/soccer, when a minutes silence happens before a game in rugby it is impeccably respected, even crowds of 70,000. Football crowds now hold minutes applause/cheering these days, such is their inability to show silent respect to anything.

You can also buy and drink alcohol at all levels of rugby matches as a spectator, but it was made illegal in football grounds again because they can't behave themselves. That is for another thread though I guess.

a reply to: peck420

There is nothing wrong with pointing out their bad behavior and letting everyone else know this behavior won't be tolerated at this school.

originally posted by: kaylaluv
There is nothing wrong with pointing out their bad behavior and letting everyone else know this behavior won't be tolerated at this school.

There most certainly is.

Public shaming does nothing more than teach children that it is okay to bully...as long as you are the 'authority'.

Everything you claim you want accomplished is easily done by suspending the perpetrators, sitting down for private consultation with each perpetrator and their guardians, and some good old community service time (what better way to pass your suspension!) to mull over their decisions and the consequences. Heck, you could even ban them from ever coming to field again, but I would easily bet that maintaining said field, from top to bottom, will ensure their want to never go there again, without the hassle of bans.

No need to reinforce bad ideas like bullying is acceptable...as long as you are in the position of 'authority'.

a reply to: peck420

If humanity existed within the bubble of a sociology class, sure.

But here in the real world, humans learn how to human via social queues picked up from both families and the larger social network.

You know how I learned you don't call a girl "fat"? In 2nd grade, a girls brother taught me that lesson. And i learned it well.

Every single law and rule is supported through the will of The People. Its not like humanity was born into a world with a political system equipped. We are actually just kinda making this all up as we go along. So the suspending, the private consultation, the community service....all of that arises from the agreement of a population. Because you cannot police an unwilling population without bringing great force to bear on the situation.

So to get back to your prior point: its not bullying when the entire social group you are in lets you know that your behavior is unacceptable. Its not bullying when you, as a child, have the village come together to chastise you. That is not what "bullying" means, and you're misusing the word.

More appropriately, you are looking for the term "mob mentality". And you could be right.

I think the bigger lesson to teach your kids: don't sit on your hands and wait for "authority" to step in. You have a duty to your community to aid in the protection of that community.

In Texas when you get your CHL (now called "License To Carry") you are told that the purpose is so that citizens can defend other other citizens. That is actually at the heart of our system, with courts often refusing to rule on a case that individual parties have not tried to resolve on their own. In the America I grew up in, we don't sit around letting authority fight our fights for us.

originally posted by: amicktd
Crowds cheering racist chants isn't normal no matter how many people in this thread proclaim they have had the same happen to them, which I highly doubt.

What do any of us have to gain by relating stories of when we played and had the same happen to us? It is not exactly like it makes humanity appear in a good light. It just shows that this is not isolated and that the best way to deal with people like this is with all loudmouths, ignore them.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
You know how I learned you don't call a girl "fat"? In 2nd grade, a girls brother taught me that lesson. And i learned it well.

So that girls brother assumed 'authority' and infringed on your legal rights, but you support it?
How do you resolve that apparent contradiction?
As far as I understand it, the use of violence is illegal in response to simple insults in the US. Do you think that is constitutional or not?

I'm curious more than anything as I have no dog in this fight. Legislation has tempered the racists in UK society, publicly at least. Without legislation the UK would be as racist as it was in the 70's and 80's. Legislation combined with generational die-off's has worked, very well.

a reply to: Metallicus

If she cried like a little snowflake THEN I would have been angry.

Snowflake snowflake lalala you all sound less than 10 years old!

Can people grow up and use their own words?
These are 14 year old girls they have hormonal issues and deep feelings, a difficult age for kids. All of you touting grow a pair mentality, why don't we give our kids a few breaks in life while they are still kids? Let them have FUN playing games. Keep them safe and let them have fun get their hard knocks in college.


Where is your compassion hard nosed people?!

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

This seems like it might be easier understood in the context of ROman Society vs Barbarian Society.

To a barbarian, the notion of "lodging a complaint" or "filing a protest" is ludicrous. Barbarians just take action to eliminate the discomfort. This may mean getting physical, sure. But typically it just means ignoring that which pisses you off until you are away from it and no longer pissed off.

Protesting mistreatment? That is Roman behavior. To a Roman, the organization of authority is the most important part. You cannot take matters into your own hands, and are given recourse through the Empire and its laws. Thus, you lodged protests and file complaints. THen people talk about it, and somewhere down the line something may/may not come of it.

To a Roman, the barbarian is crude and uncultured. To the Barbarian, the Roman is a pansy candyass who is unwilling to fight his own battles.

I guess its all perspective. So long as there is authority for a Roman to hide behind the dress of.

a reply to: grainofsand

Laws don't eliminate racism.

Laws just make people hide their racism.

originally posted by: TDawg61
And what has become of good sportsmanship?And considerating how crazy some of the parents can get it wouldn't hurt to have some security at these events.And yes,I'd have had the racists removed from the premises.

good sportsmanship

It left along the wide road with compassion.