A Senator says 9/11 events “Had Support from Within the US” !!!

originally posted by: PublicOpinion
"15 years truther movement and yet no evidence for a cover-up!"

Actually there is evidence of a cover-up.

Answer this question.

What happened to Flight 93?

a reply to: DJW001

Cop-out or not, I'll take that as a "yes, Sir!" Thanks.


a reply to: Debunkology

Sorry. I thought the irony spoke for itself, given the context and all that.
Whatever, star for your frank reply anyway.

a reply to: Debunkology

What happened to Flight 93?

Impact crater left by wing

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Debris stream into woods

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Jet engine being recovered from crater

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Dumpster holding recovered pieces from crash scene - filled 10 of these

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a reply to: Blue_Jay33

maybe true

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: Debunkology

What happened to Flight 93?

Impact crater left by wing

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Debris stream into woods

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Jet engine being recovered from crater

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Dumpster holding recovered pieces from crash scene - filled 10 of these

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Thank you. The evidence points more in the direction that Flight 93 was shot down and not simply crashed as the official narrative states.

I'd also add..

*Media claiming there was hardly any debris at the alleged crash site.
*Dick Cheney admitting to give the direct order to shoot Flight 93 down.
*Donald Rumsfeld bizarrely lumping the people who attacked the Pentagon with the ones who "shot down the plane over Pennslyvania"
*FBI claiming to find debris of Flight 93 over 8 miles, including human remains.
*Eye Witnesses seeing A Jetfighter following a commercial airplane over Pennsylvania before it went down.
*Former CIA whistleblower saying the guy who shot Flight 93 down was jailed.

a reply to: Debunkology

Hardly any debris ? - recovered 60 tons from crash scene - 757 weighs in at around 127,000 lbs Most of the wreckage
was recovered. Plane was badly fragmented - even today can found small pieces PA State Police take cadets to site
and have them do search of a grid as an exercise

Cheney may have gave order - Flight 93 had already crashed minutes before

Rumsfeld confusing Pentagon and Flight 93 ?- so politician having brain fart and mixing up different scenarios is proof...?

Debris found 8 miles ? - Actually distance is about 1 mile, some loser was using mapping program which gave the ROAD
DISTANCE, since when does debris follow the roads. The debris found were scraps of metallic plastic film insulation and
paper - was blown by wind from crash site

Plane seen was Falcon business jet on way into Johnston , FAA asked them to make pass over scene to confirm crash
site and get coordinates

So what are the names of the alleged CIA person and pilot.... Problem with any major disaster is all sort of nuts crawl
out making bizarre statements

All you have is stuff disproved years before......

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: Debunkology

Hardly any debris ? - recovered 60 tons from crash scene - 757 weighs in at around 127,000 lbs Most of the wreckage
was recovered. Plane was badly fragmented - even today can found small pieces PA State Police take cadets to site
and have them do search of a grid as an exercise

Interesting. Can you point out in the photo of the crash scene released by the US government. Where this 60 tons of wreckage actually is? ....

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That was the crash "scene". Looks like there is hardly any debris there. Which is what the media accurately reported.

originally posted by: firerescue
Cheney may have gave order - Flight 93 had already crashed minutes before

Bit of a FCK up that isn't? The 46th Vice President giving an order to shoot down a plane that wasn't in the sky.

originally posted by: firerescue
Rumsfeld confusing Pentagon and Flight 93 ?- so politician having brain fart and mixing up different scenarios is proof...?

Bit of a fck up that isn't it? The American Secretary of defense having a huge brain fart just out of the blew saying Flight 93 was shot down.

originally posted by: firerescue
Debris found 8 miles ? - Actually distance is about 1 mile, some loser was using mapping program which gave the ROAD
DISTANCE, since when does debris follow the roads. The debris found were scraps of metallic plastic film insulation and
paper - was blown by wind from crash site

WOW, these fck up just keep on giving. So the entire American military FKed up 9/11. AND the investigation afterwords. The FBI mixing up 1 mile with 8 MILES!!! Like how incompetent can you get.....

originally posted by: firerescue
Problem with any major disaster is all sort of nuts crawl out making bizarre statements

Oh, there it is again. These nuts who have been interviewed by mainstream media because their credentials add up.

originally posted by: firerescue
All you have is stuff disproved years before......

Nope. Try harder. MR "Fire rescue" man. Because your defense of the official narrative cannot be any lamer.

a reply to: PublicOpinion

a reply to: DJW001

Cop-out or not, I'll take that as a "yes, Sir!" Thanks.

Once again, you are putting words in someone's mouth. Thanks for the demonstration.

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: PublicOpinion

Yeah. Funny moments of cognitive dissonance where things can't be what they are, 'cause they simply can't.

Yeah, isn't it weird how no-one but you can see the word "government" at the end of that quotation?

Wasn't it the US Government that conducted the 911 Commission, and printed its report? And removed the 28 pages of which we speak?

Cognitive dissonance is never nice to observe in action....

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: Debunkology

Hardly any debris ? - recovered 60 tons from crash scene - 757 weighs in at around 127,000 lbs Most of the wreckage
was recovered. Plane was badly fragmented - even today can found small pieces PA State Police take cadets to site
and have them do search of a grid as an exercise

Cheney may have gave order - Flight 93 had already crashed minutes before

Rumsfeld confusing Pentagon and Flight 93 ?- so politician having brain fart and mixing up different scenarios is proof...?

Debris found 8 miles ? - Actually distance is about 1 mile, some loser was using mapping program which gave the ROAD
DISTANCE, since when does debris follow the roads. The debris found were scraps of metallic plastic film insulation and
paper - was blown by wind from crash site

Plane seen was Falcon business jet on way into Johnston , FAA asked them to make pass over scene to confirm crash
site and get coordinates

So what are the names of the alleged CIA person and pilot.... Problem with any major disaster is all sort of nuts crawl
out making bizarre statements

All you have is stuff disproved years before......

The government may have said 60 tons were recovered at PA site, but that does not make it so.

Sadly, the government is more mendacious than it is truthful. Is it EVER truthful?

A wise man does not place great faith in the statements of known liars. There was no airliner in PA, and all the pictures and statements confirm that.

a reply to: Salander

Wasn't it the US Government that conducted the 911 Commission, and printed its report? And removed the 28 pages of which we speak?

Yes, and the report did not conclude it was an "inside job," didn't it? The twenty eight pages probably aren't going to alter that conclusion. Everyone knows that there was more Saudi involvement than the government wants to admit, but covering up for diplomatic reasons is not the same as masterminding a false flag.

Cognitive dissonance is never nice to observe in action....

Then why keep doing it?

a reply to: DJW001

Of course it did not conclude it was an inside job, but that would have been a true conclusion, and truth was NOT the goal of the Commission, as noted by several members.

The report was meant to protect the guilty parties and fool the public, and that is precisely what it did.

That's the whole point, and these 28 pages are nothing but "dirty laundry" demonstrating how busy the government was keeping embarrassing facts from going public. That's what cover up is all about.

Shootdown orders

Therefore at 10:18 a.m., according to White House logs, Cheney calls Bush, who is on board Air Force One, and speaks with him for two minutes. White House press secretary Ari Fleischer notes that at 10:20 a.m., Bush informs him that he has authorized the shootdown of aircraft, if necessary. According to the 9/11 Commission, “Fleischer’s 10:20 note is the first mention of shootdown authority.

Flight 93 crashed just after 10 Am - I supposed you think Cheney was hunched over radar screen watching plane ?
Given all the confusion that day and time lag between information getting up chain

Nice you show scene after been cleared .....

One of bins used to hold debris from crash scene

At the same time, the high winds that buffeted the area over the last few days have dislodged additional airplane parts – seat cushions, wiring, carpet fragments and pieces of metal – from trees near the crash site. "It's all aircraft parts, no human remains," Miller said. "We've collected them in 10 recycling bin-sized containers and eventually we'll turn them all over to United.

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Fuselage section - one of the largest pieces found

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Another piece - nicely painted in UNITED Livery

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Debris in woods

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Flight recorder

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Most pieces wound like this - what happens when plane hits ground at over 500 mph

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originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: Salander

Wasn't it the US Government that conducted the 911 Commission, and printed its report? And removed the 28 pages of which we speak?

Yes, and the report did not conclude it was an "inside job," didn't it? The twenty eight pages probably aren't going to alter that conclusion. Everyone knows that there was more Saudi involvement than the government wants to admit, but covering up for diplomatic reasons is not the same as masterminding a false flag.

Cognitive dissonance is never nice to observe in action....

Then why keep doing it?


That is a great demonstration of how well the appeal to authority sways your thinking. That is, if the authorities did not tell you it was an inside job, you are incapable of discerning that fact on your own.


Some are more perceptive than others we know, and some can "read between the lines" and draw conclusions better than others.

a reply to: Salander

The government may have said 60 tons were recovered at PA site, but that does not make it so.

People may say it was a conspiracy , but that does not make it so.

The sum total of events that day are so different that the OS makes sense.
You can't pull off all these conspiracy events in secrecy.

a reply to: Salander

That is a great demonstration of how well the appeal to authority sways your thinking. That is, if the authorities did not tell you it was an inside job, you are incapable of discerning that fact on your own.

Whereas your reflexive rejection of authority forces you to believe the opposite, whether it makes sense or not.

Some are more perceptive than others we know, and some can "read between the lines" and draw conclusions better than others.

Exactly! I can read between the lines and deduce what the missing element is. You simply believe the opposite.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: Salander

The government may have said 60 tons were recovered at PA site, but that does not make it so.

People may say it was a conspiracy , but that does not make it so.

The sum total of events that day are so different that the OS makes sense.
You can't pull off all these conspiracy events in secrecy.

Wait? What?

The official story is that Al Qaeda conspired to have nineteen people hijack planes and crash them into the WTC and the Pentagon.

That's a conspiracy theory. They allegedly did this successfully and in secret.

And now we are hearing that the Saudi Kingdom and officials may have furthered that conspiracy by backing the plans -- and have gotten away with it for 15 years.

So...is it just the U.S. government that cannot possibly ever conspire in secret but other governments and others with far less resources can?

originally posted by: seaswine

Meh, it's time to close our eyes and take a nap anyways.

I know my eyes were getting heavy just reading this.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: Salander

The government may have said 60 tons were recovered at PA site, but that does not make it so.

People may say it was a conspiracy , but that does not make it so.

The sum total of events that day are so different that the OS makes sense.
You can't pull off all these conspiracy events in secrecy.

The OS makes no sense at all. At WTC, gravity could not possibly have blown large structural pieces outwards hundreds of feet. That crazy idea violates the laws of physics.

The OS makes no sense at all. At Shanksville PA there was no crashed airliner there, and that is demonstrated by all the testimony and pictures. Nobody could find an airliner crashed, and nobody could find a picture of the crashed airliner.

a reply to: DJW001

No sir, I do not have a reflexive rejection of authority. In fact, for a number of years I actually believed the OS regarding 911. But the more I investigated the more the facts made it clear that the OS was invalid and inaccurate, unbelievable. At that point I rejected the official story--it is impossible.