Whould you get in this if I told you it goes to the moon?

originally posted by: clevargenuis

youre the one stating that cellotaped piece of trash went to the moon without evidence.

There's a shedload of evidence. I hae spent my weekend picking over Apollo photographs and comparing them with modern images taken by unmanned probes. Indian, Japanese and Chinese photographs all show details not known about before Apollo went there. What have you done to prove your point?

Just look at it. It is LITERALLY held up by curtain rods and cello tape.

It LITERALLY isn't. Do please check up on the meaning of the word 'literally'.

No rational person would think it went to the moon. Irrational people would but thats not my prob lmao

You are counting yourself as belonging to the former group with no real supporting evidence that you belong there.

originally posted by: clevargenuis

originally posted by: TerryDon79
a reply to: clevargenuis

You do understand that that is just the outside and not the actual framework?

Do we have the structural blueprint for that thing?

I'm sure there are engineering drawings numbering in the 100's for the Apollo LM. You can find a few online, but I'm not sure about the entire set. I'm sure each component has its own set of drawings as well as multiple assembly drawings.


If you want to see a general general schematic (although NOT the engineering drawings) for how the LM was put together, this PDF file is a good place to start:

Apollo Lunar Module (Opens directly to a PDF)

Here are a few images that I blew up from that PDF. I apologize for the low-resolution (those things in blue are supposed to be technicians in blue lab coats! :-) ), but even with the low resolution and very basic graphics, I think this gives a good overview of the basic assembly and design of the LM:

First the Ascent Stage:

Caption: Milled aluminum subassemblies are welded and bolted together to form the pressurized crew compartment

Caption: Fuel tanks and subsystems for electrical power, life support, propulsion, communications, and navigation are installed and mounted

The exterior of the stage was wrapped In multiple layers of kapton and aluminized mylar for insulation and Protection against surface materials raised during the final landing stages. Thin aluminum Panels cover most of the outer surface painted Black, silver, or dull gray depending on whether Absorption or reflection of sunlight is desired For heating and cooling.



Here is an image of the ascent stage:

And here. This one is missing a few pieces, such as the cover for the fuel tank (I mirrored the original image so it could be in the same orientation as the others in this thread -- for clarity):

And here are the (again Low-resolution) assembly graphic of the Descent Stage from the PDF file I linked above:
Caption: Aluminum frames support the engine, fuel, and oxydizer tanks, and landing gear

Caption: Landing gear was filled with a metallic Honeycomb which would crush during landing to absorb the force of impact


Caption: The exterior of the stage was wrapped In multiple layers of kapton and aluminized mylar for insulation and Protection against surface materials raised during the final landing stages


An image of a MODEL of the descent stage, just to show what it looks like put together:



Here is the whole thing -- with the ascent stage and the descent stage put together (without the mylar foil insulation and Kapton protection) on display at the Franklin Institute in Philadelphia. This LM was built to be used for the cancelled Apollo 19 mission:

originally posted by: DJW001
a reply to: clevargenuis

I'll bet you think this could never fly, either:

That is totally just bamboo, cardboard, scotch tape and paper. How could that ever fly?

If the Wright brothers convinced people that a pile of taped together junk could fly more than a few feet, it explains how they fooled all of us about airplanes.

I'm still waiting for anyone who believes that the lunar module was not up to the job of landing on the moon and returning its occupants to orbit to provide a single shred of evidence that it was not capable of doing so, other than "gee it looks kinda funny".

I'm sure they'll be happy to post that evidence very soon, along with their engineering qualifications.

I have to say I would want an x-wing

a reply to: OneBigMonkeyToo

I'm kinda curious about the "qualifications", too.

a reply to: syrinx high priest

T.I.E. fighter for me.

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
I'm still waiting for anyone who believes that the lunar module was not up to the job of landing on the moon and returning its occupants to orbit to provide a single shred of evidence that it was not capable of doing so, other than "gee it looks kinda funny".

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if nasa said the cellotaped hunk of junk went to space, i guess its true. Right?

originally posted by: clevargenuis

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
I'm still waiting for anyone who believes that the lunar module was not up to the job of landing on the moon and returning its occupants to orbit to provide a single shred of evidence that it was not capable of doing so, other than "gee it looks kinda funny".

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if nasa said the cellotaped hunk of junk went to space, i guess its true. Right?

Have you got any proof that NASA hasn't been to the moon?

a reply to: TerryDon79

Have you got any proof that NASA hasn't been to the moon?

Yea Alex Jones said so.

a reply to: DJW001

that didnt make it to space....just like the lander Roflmao

originally posted by: clevargenuis
a reply to: DJW001

that didnt make it to space....just like the lander Roflmao

So no proof then? Just your total lack of scientific understanding.

Go back to bed kid.

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: TerryDon79

Have you got any proof that NASA hasn't been to the moon?

Yea Alex Jones said so.

Sounds about right.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: clevargenuis

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
I'm still waiting for anyone who believes that the lunar module was not up to the job of landing on the moon and returning its occupants to orbit to provide a single shred of evidence that it was not capable of doing so, other than "gee it looks kinda funny".

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if nasa said the cellotaped hunk of junk went to space, i guess its true. Right?

Have you got any proof that NASA hasn't been to the moon?

Im just questioning whether that structure held up by cellotape/curtain rods could even take off from the ground let alone leave the earths atmosphere.

Or am i to blindly believe it did because nasa said so.

a reply to: clevargenuis

Im just questioning whether that structure could even take off from the ground let alone leave the earths atmosphere.

It was not held up by cellotape/curtain rods.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: clevargenuis
a reply to: DJW001

that didnt make it to space....just like the lander Roflmao

So no proof then? Just your total lack of scientific understanding.

Go back to bed kid.

son, your only proof that the junkmobile went to the moon is that nasa said so.

a reply to: clevargenuis

You just roffled my waffle, mate.

Im just questioning whether that structure held up by cellotape/curtain rods could even take off from the ground let alone leave the earths atmosphere.

1. It wasn't held up by cellotape, it was a fully enclosed rigid structure.
2. It didn't take off the ground to go to the Moon, it was inside a huge powerful rocket.

Please stop trolling, it makes you look awfully unintelligent.

originally posted by: clevargenuis

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: clevargenuis

originally posted by: OneBigMonkeyToo
I'm still waiting for anyone who believes that the lunar module was not up to the job of landing on the moon and returning its occupants to orbit to provide a single shred of evidence that it was not capable of doing so, other than "gee it looks kinda funny".

.

if nasa said the cellotaped hunk of junk went to space, i guess its true. Right?

Have you got any proof that NASA hasn't been to the moon?

Im just questioning whether that structure held up by cellotape/curtain rods could even take off from the ground let alone leave the earths atmosphere.

it didn't as it was enclosed and strapped to some rockets. Try reading the thread, sport.

Or am i to blindly believe it did because nasa said so.

no one is blindly believing anything. That's why you go look at all available information.

You, on the other hand, haven't done anything apart from cry the normal "that wouldn't go to the moon coz I don't understand stuff" argument.

originally posted by: clevargenuis

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: clevargenuis
a reply to: DJW001

that didnt make it to space....just like the lander Roflmao

So no proof then? Just your total lack of scientific understanding.

Go back to bed kid.

son, your only proof that the junkmobile went to the moon is that nasa said so.

Actually, kid, there is a mountain of evidence from different countries. So you want to rethink that argument.

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: clevargenuis

originally posted by: TerryDon79

originally posted by: clevargenuis
a reply to: DJW001

that didnt make it to space....just like the lander Roflmao

So d kid.

son, your only proof that thoon is that nasa said so.

Actually, kid, there is a mountain of evidence from different countries. So you want to rethink that argument.

countries or rather governments tend to collaborate on various issues, such as "space exploration". That doesnt mean they are being honest so you might wanna rethink it, boy.

originally posted by: clevargenuis
Im just questioning whether that structure held up by cellotape/curtain rods could even take off from the ground let alone leave the earths atmosphere.

Or am i to blindly believe it did because nasa said so.

(raises left eyebrow)

It DIDN'T take off from the ground.

Ok...a couple of points to make sure we're sort of on a similar page if not the same one...

This is the LM. It's just for landing on the moon. During takeoff, it was folded up into a sort of Chinese puzzle and packed into an adapter (sort of a big can) between the third stage and the command/service module. It was never exposed to any sort of aerodynamic stress, because it was hidden away in its little storage can until the craft was in orbit.

In space, it doesn't matter if things are sort of non-aerodynamic, since there isn't any aero to factor in. So being sort of ungainly and spidery looking doesn't matter at all in space.

The gold stuff with tape you're so taken with isn't the outer skin. It's a sort of reflective plastic that's wrapped around for the purpose of reflecting the sun away. It's not structural. Since there's no air in space, it being taped on and baggy doesn't matter a bit. In fact, the bagginess is intentional.