Remote viewing the 911 attacks

a reply to: Zaphod58

Can you post your sources?

originally posted by: Moresby
Again, the RV sessions (the subject of this thread) make no mention of a plane at all.

Well obviously then they were not "remote viewing" 9/11.... they were just making crap up!

a reply to: hellobruce

Well obviously then they were not "remote viewing" 9/11.... they were just making crap up!

RV is just another scamming method to lighten the wallets of the gullible.
Just like all that other physic, transcendental, heal thyself, ESP BS.

If RV was real then Courtney Brown would have known Apple stock was going to sky rocket.
If the farsight institute was a valid research group they wouldn't have a 'Donate' by Paypal button.

Go ahead suckers! Pony up some cash and support the hucksters.

Meh, nm.

originally posted by: hellobruce

originally posted by: Moresby
Again, the RV sessions (the subject of this thread) make no mention of a plane at all.

Well obviously then they were not "remote viewing" 9/11.... they were just making crap up!

Whatever they were doing, it is the subject of this thread.

a reply to: Doctor Smith

I bet those weren't 737's. Probably little single engine prop planes.

He was good enough to have flight instructors sign him off in a jet simulator

Hanjour's problem was in facility with English , not with pilot skills.

a reply to: jabbathehut

Please explain to me again...Why was the Pentagon
targeted?...125 died.

Nascar Race- 30k
Football game- 20k
IRS bldg. - WGAS
FBI Bldg. - WGAS
Walmart. - WGAS

You get the drift. Of ALL the targets in the U.S., would
YOU have picked the Pentogram if you were one of the
masterminds behind 911?

Because the targets picked had great symbolic value to Bin Laden and his audience

WTC (Towers of Jews) was picked because of relationship to finance and money

Pentagon (Tower of War) was as HQ for US military represented US power

US Capitol (Tower of Law) was picked because represented US Government

You pick NASCAR and Football games as possible targets - remember these are foreigners, who are not attuned to
American culture. Add to fact that sporting events take place at different dates and times and in different cities each
week. Bad if trying to plot simultaneous attacks in a tight time window,

FBI or IRS offices - many of these are in ordinary office buildings. Fact is have an FBI in my town, right down the street,
How do you identify these particular buildings from the air?? Especially after everyone is telling us that the hijackers
could not fly

The targets selected had one thing in common - were very large structures, easily identifiable from air and clear approaches

a reply to: Doctor Smith

They were trained on small planes. You show me how they were trained to fly those passenger jets?

They had twin engine commercial pilots license's that's how they got their foot in the door for the series (not one time) of passenger jet flight simulator training.

Did you even bother to look ??

originally posted by: samkent
a reply to: Doctor Smith

They were trained on small planes. You show me how they were trained to fly those passenger jets?

They had twin engine commercial pilots license's that's how they got their foot in the door for the series (not one time) of passenger jet flight simulator training.

Did you even bother to look ??

Flight simulators don't cut it. You can start getting some feel for the controls but when your dealing with a 65 ton airplane you have to fly them for thousands of hours. And even then you would have to be extensively trained for the mission to fly them in that way.

You need to listen to the experts.

a reply to: firerescue


Because the targets picked had great symbolic value to Bin Laden and his audience ...

And we KNOW this....HOW?

They may be "foreigners" but they still would have the same
M.O. as anyone else when attacking another country.
The absolute highest number of casualties possible.

They planned for YEARS to do this and it HAD to be done
on a Tuesday Morn at "precisely" the time they chose?
Would that not make the mission even more apt to fail
if ONE thing went wrong?

I don't buy it. Osama had been to the U.S. many times and
was well aware of our culture. We certainly don't go into
other countries as bumbling idiots when we are completing
military exercises, and neither did they.

I'm pretty sure we picked Hiroshima and Nagasaki for the
maximum collateral damage that it would incur. If WTC1 and
WTC2 HAD not collapsed, they would have killed less than 500
people....They coulda done that at the local bus stop. It just
doesn't make sense in my book but you are probably correct...

With all due respect for those that perished.....

a reply to: jabbathehut

How do we know this...??

Because BIN LADEN told us !!

In the video, bin Laden says: "The Twin Towers were legitimate targets, they were supporting US economic power. These events were great by all measurement. What was destroyed were not only the towers, but the towers of morale in that country."
The hijackers were "blessed by Allah to destroy America's economic and military landmarks". He freely admits to being behind the attacks: "If avenging the killing of our people is terrorism then history should be a witness that we are terrorists. Yes, we kill their innocents and this is legal religiously and logically."
In a contradictory section, however, bin Laden justifies killing the occupants of the Twin Towers because they were not civilians - Islam forbids the killing of innocent civilians even in a holy war.
He says: "The towers were supposed to be filled with supporters of the economical powers of the United States who are abusing the world. Those who talk about civilians should change their stand and reconsider their position. We are treating them like they treated us."

As for picking a Tuesday - attack was originally scheduled for April/May. Plot leader Atta had to tell Bin Laden to delay it
until could finish training , moved to August, then slipped to September when everything was in order

Tickets were purchased 3 weeks prior to attack - Tuesday was selected because could get tickets for all the flights for time
desired. Wanted to get transcontinental flights leaving from East Coast airports early in morning . All planes had to be
Boeing 767/757 because that is what they trained on. Had to get seats in first class to be close to cockpit for the blitz
style attack.

As for Hiroshima and Nagasaki - were the last remaining Japanese cities which had not been attacked. For previous 6
months B 29 had burned out some 60 Japanese cities using incendiaries. Some cities were literally burned to ground
Hundred of thousands of people were killed or injured in raids.

a reply to: Doctor Smith

Flight simulators don't cut it. You can start getting some feel for the controls but when your dealing with a 65 ton airplane you have to fly them for thousands of hours. And even then you would have to be extensively trained for the mission to fly them in that way.

Jet airline pilots are frequently trained ONLY using simulators - its lot cheaper, dont have to worry about daylight or weather
Dont have to worry about planes wearing out or being damaged in accidents (and getting people killed)

CAn simply rewind and start again until get it right....

a reply to: firerescue


As for Hiroshima and Nagasaki - were the last remaining Japanese cities which had not been attacked. For previous 6
months B 29 had burned out some 60 Japanese cities using incendiaries. Some cities were literally burned to ground
Hundred of thousands of people were killed or injured in raids.

We were at war..so yeah they did other bombing. They
had actually picked Kyoto before Nagasaki but changed
their minds last minute. Hiroshima actually had some
military garrisons located there so it was "justified".

Exactly what "video" are you referring to?

bin Laden justifies killing the occupants of the Twin Towers because they were not civilians - Islam forbids the killing of innocent civilians even in a holy war.

They musta forgot about that part lately.

originally posted by: firerescue
a reply to: Doctor Smith

Flight simulators don't cut it. You can start getting some feel for the controls but when your dealing with a 65 ton airplane you have to fly them for thousands of hours. And even then you would have to be extensively trained for the mission to fly them in that way.

Jet airline pilots are frequently trained ONLY using simulators - its lot cheaper, dont have to worry about daylight or weather
Dont have to worry about planes wearing out or being damaged in accidents (and getting people killed)

CAn simply rewind and start again until get it right....

ONLY trained using simulators?!? That doesn't even make any sense. So how does that work? Do they ever fly a plane?

But seriously ...

There were pilots during WWII who flew their first combat mission with little more than ground training. But that generally didn't work out so well. Some were very very lucky. But a lot got into hairy situations their first time out and ruined their whole day.

To become a commercial pilot you need 250 hours of flight time, and to command an airliner it's 1,500.

Jeez guys...

Dear Rod:
I'm a private pilot just a couple of days from taking my instrument checkride. My CFI and I have had discussions about simulator hours. He logs them but does not include them in total time. I've just closed the Federal Aviation Regulations/Aeronautical Information Manual for the umpteenth time and after reading about maximum of 20 here and a credit of 100 there, I'm confused. Maybe you can explain. What is the point of taking advantage of a sim if the hours logged don't count toward my TT?

Thank you,
Mark

Greetings Mark:
Simulator hours can count as training time, but are not considered "flight time" and can't be logged in the flight time (total time) column of your logbook. They can, however, be logged in the "Flight Simulator" column of your logbook. If your logbook doesn't have such a column, then make one using the letters "FS/FTD" which stand for flight simulator/flight training device.

Regarding simulator time counting toward your total time, consider that the commercial certificate allows 50 hours of simulator time to be counted toward the total aeronautical experience requirement of that rating -- see FAR 61.129(i)(1).

Thus, you could meet the commercial requirements of 250 hours of aeronautical experience with 200 hours of flight time and 50 hours of simulator time.

Even if simulator time didn't count toward the total aeronautical experience requirement of a rating, it might still count as training time. For instance, 2.5 hours of appropriate simulator time can be credited toward the total training time required for the private pilot certificate (FAR 61.109 [1]).

Now, read the federal aviation regulations carefully before running off and trying to log cross-country time in a simulator. The regs specifically state you must meet certain "flight time" requirements in an airplane. You're not getting away with packing a lunch and sitting in front of a simulator for six hours in hopes of logging this as a cross-country flight to meet the private pilot cross-country requirements.

(Yes, I heard of a case where someone actually tried to do this. Perhaps the ruse unraveled when the FAA examiner asked, "Hey, what kind of airplane is a Combat Flight Sim?")

Also keep in mind that you can only log simulator time when there is an appropriately rated instructor providing dual instruction. In other words, solo time in a simulator can't count toward your private or commercial certificate or instrument rating.

And it goes without saying that a simulator must be approved by the FAA for it to be used as a FS or FTD. (Sorry, but Combat Flight Simulator is only approved for shooting down other simulators, not flight training.)

Rod Machado is a flight instructor, author, educator, and speaker. A pilot for 34 years and a CFI for 30, he has flown more than 8,000 hours and owns a Beech A36 Bonanza.

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