Conservative Group Claims Disney, Apple & Others ‘Declared Public War’ On Christianity

originally posted by: introvert
Seems to me that the Christian persecution complex has become as much a part of the religion as the deities they worship.

It always has been. It's a main teaching of the bible that believers will be "persecuted" because the sinners and heretics will supposedly hate them... It doesn't mention that the hatred, fear and persecution practiced by the believers is what will cause others to rise up against them... No, the believers are completely innocent. They were just sitting there praying and loving God and the mean LGBT people came in and started causing all the hatred...

"Christian victim complex" is exactly right. If they hadn't started a religious war against a segment of our population, they wouldn't be in the shape they're in... Not only did they start it, they continue it every opportunity they get!

a reply to: NateTheAnimator

Yea the hypocrisy about not honoring the other older rules makes their claims about homosexuality look like just pure hatred instead of them honoring religious edicts. They are just using the passage in the bible as a convenient excuse to get away with public justification of not liking gay people.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I don't know where you've been but Christians have been waging a war against homosexuality for a long time now. Especially the conservative Christians. This isn't to say that all Christians are like this, but there is a notable segment of them in this country that clearly are offended that two men may want to shack up together and do things they don't approve of.

I've been around Christians enough to know what Christianity is.
Some people will claim to be Christians, even more will be claimed to be Christians by a third party, and are not Christian
Again, some people claim to be Napoleon and aren't, it's the same disease of the mind.
No Christian will hate people, people who hate people are not Christian by definition.

Two men shacking up together is a beautiful thing, any Christian will tell you that.

However, sodomy may be perceived as less than gay, as evidenced by "gayed" people who were subject to "gay" relations in public service facilities and even "churches" or "bible study" or simply a dark alley or bar.
Christians may insist that what constitutes sex is usage of sexual organs, and intestines happen to not be sexual organs. But enough about sodomy, which is really independent from anyone's approval who are not involved in it.

Walt Disney inc. and other companies do spend resources in attempting to discredit Christianity instead of its impersonations, which is evidence that these people's own worldview is shaky enough to be interested in attacking that of others.

Christians may preach their own religion but will not sling propaganda against aspects of another religion, although Walt Disney's cosmology could definitely use some fixing.

a reply to: wisvol

Well if you want to call them Christians in name only, be my guest, but these frauds are still trying to hide behind religious freedom laws to justify their intolerance of other people's actions.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

Good observation.

It's also important to note how this persecution/victim complex has tainted the Right Wing political dogma as well. The same war they believe is being waged against the Christians is the same war against "conservatism".

They complain about their victimization and then have the audacity to call others "special snowflakes".

Quite humorous.

This kind of stuff pops up from time to time. im sure anyone who ever went to church knows the hymn, "Onward Christian soldiers, marching on to war".

That, along with the roots of Christianity being related to a persecution complex (they were fed to lions, afterall), and you get this kind of stuff every couple of years. "The War On Christmas".

Christianity is far too fractured to be as militarized as it once was. But its roots are in war.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Well if you want to call them Christians in name only, be my guest, but these frauds are still trying to hide behind religious freedom laws to justify their intolerance of other people's actions.

The distinction is quite substantial, and I call them frauds for short.
Just as some jehova's witness selling snake oil pretending to be Krazysh0t from ATS.com would no doubt seem like someone you'd insist on saying isn't you I suppose.

a reply to: bigfatfurrytexan

Christianity is far too fractured to be as militarized as it once was. But its roots are in war.

Military organizations used that name to fool indoctrinated youth into dying and murdering.

The roots are in Christ, who would have no part in war, as anyone who teaches the ten commandments.

Again, were some crazy bums to run around raping babies for crack money and calling their self Big Fat Furry Texan Club from ATS.com and wearing hats that said so, you'd probably insist that you aren't their commander in chief.

a reply to: wisvol

Well it's rather easy to tell if someone isn't me. There are objective differences for me as a person that clearly distinguish me from someone else. With Christianity, its teachings are vague and open to interpretation. There aren't many clear cut indicators one can use to determine if someone isn't a real Christian.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Well it's rather easy to tell if someone isn't me. There are objective differences for me as a person that clearly distinguish me from someone else. With Christianity, its teachings are vague and open to interpretation. There aren't many clear cut indicators one can use to determine if someone isn't a real Christian.

From where I sit, distinguishing you from an impersonator is infinitely more difficult than distinguishing a Christian from a fraud because Christianity is more familiar to me than you are.

Also, it's not just me because more people read Jesus Christ's life and his fans' journals than yours, by a long, long shot.

a reply to: Benevolent Heretic

It's a main teaching of the bible that believers will be "persecuted" because the sinners and heretics will supposedly hate them

Very true, the interesting thing about that is at one point in time there was some legitimate Christian persecution going on. I.e persecution under Nero. Although,it seems once the Roman empire adopted Christianity as their state religion,the church didn't think to stop preaching the persecution angle...

Also another reason they may hate gay so much is that they may fear being corrupted by their sinful ways and supporting LGBT rights would complicate their lives.

I'm not sure how many people saw the anti-gay marriage ads on t.v prior to the supreme courts decision recently,anyway, a few of these ads used the claim that this would effect the children negatively and that they(the parents) wouldn't know how to explain to their children what gay marriage was and all this rubbish.

I bring this up as I find it totally bizarre that these same parents are completely willing to openly discuss to their children the brutal murder of a young Jewish man,nailed to wood by Roman soldiers,authorized by a prefect and supported by Rabbi's.

I'm Completely bewildered by this logic.

originally posted by: wisvol
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Well it's rather easy to tell if someone isn't me. There are objective differences for me as a person that clearly distinguish me from someone else. With Christianity, its teachings are vague and open to interpretation. There aren't many clear cut indicators one can use to determine if someone isn't a real Christian.

From where I sit, distinguishing you from an impersonator is infinitely more difficult than distinguishing a Christian from a fraud because Christianity is more familiar to me than you are.

Well unless my account was hacked then all you'd need to do is look at my screenname.

Also, it's not just me because more people read Jesus Christ's life and his fans' journals than yours, by a long, long shot.

So?

Op saids that Jesus wanted Gay people to love each other. Even though jewish law was jewish life during the time of Christ. Do you believe that Jesus didn't study or adhere to the laws of his time? I mean come on now? Jesus wasn't a liberal socialist.

originally posted by: Jordan River
. Do you believe that Jesus didn't study or adhere to the laws of his time? I mean come on now? Jesus wasn't a liberal socialist.

Damn right. Jesus was a blue-collar carpenter; he loved him some football, pickup trucks and getting into bar fights on Friday nights down at the local titty bar.

a reply to: Jordan River

So show me in the bible where Jesus denounces gay people.

originally posted by: introvert
They complain about their victimization and then have the audacity to call others "special snowflakes".

Quite humorous.

This kind of extreme hypocrisy is commonly shown though, isn't it? These are the same people who usually scream about their Constitution, while wishing to remove the rights of "non-Christians". They're the same people who scream about gun rights, while banning guns at their own events. These are the same people who preach about their rights to be abusive toward others, while complaining that any criticism of them is an "attack on their freedoms".

The Conservative, the Republican, the Christian (generally speaking) believes they are superior to all others and deserve a hegemony in all aspects of being.

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
you get this kind of stuff every couple of years.

I'm afraid it's more than just every couple of years, if you pay any attention to the right-wing hate groups being monitored across America.

This is every day, these people are holding seminars, hosting radio shows, preaching some of the most disgusting hate and ignorance while claiming their "way of life" is under attack from everyone from the "big bad gubmint" to the "terrist Moslims" to the "queer mafia".

A story like this might get a little mainstream attention every few years, but this is an ongoing rumble of extremism happening every day in the shadowy corners of fanatical Christian Conservatism.

Again, this is exactly why the US government deems them to be a major threat to others. They don't need to be militarized or organized, they just need to be riled up enough by those manipulating them to act out - and we have seen these freaks acting out before, remember.

a reply to: wisvol

any "Christ" seems to have been lost countless edits and revisions ago.

What wasn't just made up outright, anyway.

That being said, the gist of what you say is correct in my estimation.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

So?

So, if I must state it less tactfully for your understanding privilege, your statement

Well it's rather easy to tell if someone isn't me. There are objective differences for me as a person that clearly distinguish me from someone else. With Christianity, its teachings are vague and open to interpretation.

is bull# because it's much easier not to call a fraud a Christian than it is not to call a fraud you, based on broader knowledge of Christianity than your personal worldview

originally posted by: Rocker2013

originally posted by: bigfatfurrytexan
you get this kind of stuff every couple of years.

I'm afraid it's more than just every couple of years, if you pay any attention to the right-wing hate groups being monitored across America.

This is every day, these people are holding seminars, hosting radio shows, preaching some of the most disgusting hate and ignorance while claiming their "way of life" is under attack from everyone from the "big bad gubmint" to the "terrist Moslims" to the "queer mafia".

A story like this might get a little mainstream attention every few years, but this is an ongoing rumble of extremism happening every day in the shadowy corners of fanatical Christian Conservatism.

Again, this is exactly why the US government deems them to be a major threat to others. They don't need to be militarized or organized, they just need to be riled up enough by those manipulating them to act out - and we have seen these freaks acting out before, remember.

I live in what is known as "The Buckle of the Bible Belt".

Trust....i know what you are talking about. We have prayers that are sanctioned at school events, and still say the pledge before class (and Rotary). 1955 still lives on here in many ways.