Trump call to punish women for abortions

originally posted by: mOjOm

I think this is a great option once it's been tested and approved. It might be a bit of a hard sell because of how it's done for some. But it's nothing a really good Marketing Campaign couldn't solve IMO.

It would also take some of the weight of who's responsible from women and put it on men which is how it should be. As it is now, too many people view it as all the woman's fault and problem while totally excusing their male counterpart.

Yes. I read that they've had some success. But, it takes years of clinical tests to get approvals.

How much you wannna bet many men will still blame it all on the woman?

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LifeisGrand
a reply to: mOjOm

None of it is play. It is all real. You may brush it away, in your mind. But I will stand firm. And so will science.

Frankly, your opinion on the matter - - can blow in the wind. That's how much I care about you trying to take some moral high ground.

If its not OK with you, don't do it.

Just stay out of my way.

You sound like Trump. Bravo.

I am woman, hear me roar.

In a real life decision I had to make the choice.

The unborn women haven't been given the opportunity to roar, let alone cry for their mother.

Just sayin'

Your belief.

As long as your belief does not infringe on my legal right of choice, I don't care.

Belief? Try biology. It really doesn't care about your opinions.

You have belief.

I have law.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

I think you have an incredibly low opinion of men.

I wouldn't say "incredibly" but generally I don't have a great opinion of men or women over all. When all grouped together I think we could do a lot better. But I'm a bit cynical at my age but not dramatically so.

Don't have sex irresponsibly if you aren't ready to get pregnant. But if you do get pregnant, abortion should not be treated as birth control. If you think you are mature enough to have sex, then you should be mature enough to accept the consequences of engaging in an activity designed to reproduce.

That's unrealistic in the sense that normal people, just living their lives as humans make mistakes as they grow and live. We all do. Some more than others, but that's life. It's part of life. Especially when you're young and haven't had much experience and your body is a chaotic emotional carnival of wonders. You will never win against nature no matter how good your advice might be or how convincing your argument is because emotions often toss logic and reason right out the window. So even if you're correct in your theory it won't matter because you're fighting something more powerful.

The idea of recreational sex is just... stupid. That's a massive problem with society.

Ummmm....You're just incorrect there. If you really think recreational sex is stupid I feel sorry for you and whoever you're with if you're with someone. Especially in a committed relationship where sexual affection is one of the only things you reserve sharing with that one other person to the exclusion of everyone else.

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LifeisGrand
a reply to: mOjOm

None of it is play. It is all real. You may brush it away, in your mind. But I will stand firm. And so will science.

Frankly, your opinion on the matter - - can blow in the wind. That's how much I care about you trying to take some moral high ground.

If its not OK with you, don't do it.

Just stay out of my way.

You sound like Trump. Bravo.

I am woman, hear me roar.

In a real life decision I had to make the choice.

The unborn women haven't been given the opportunity to roar, let alone cry for their mother.

Just sayin'

Your belief.

As long as your belief does not infringe on my legal right of choice, I don't care.

Belief? Try biology. It really doesn't care about your opinions.

You have belief.

I have law.

Yes yes we know. You can legally have another human murdered because you are a woman.

Research consistently shows that between 80 and 90 percent of men view sex as the most important aspect of their marriage. When asked what one thing they would like to change in their marriages, they wish that their wives would be more interested in sex and more willing to initiate physical intimacy.

Marriage experts Gary and Barbara Rosberg surveyed men about their sexual needs. The vast majority of men indicated that mutual pleasure and female initiation of sex were among their primary sexual needs.

www.focusonthefamily.com...

One of the biggest differences between you and your husband is the fact that he experiences sex as a legitimate physical need. Just as your body tells you when you're hungry, thirsty, or tired, your husband's body tells him when he needs a sexual release. Your husband's sexual desire is impacted by what's around him but is determined by biological factors, specifically the presence of testosterone in his body.

Immediately after sexual release, men are physically satisfied. But as their sexual clock ticks on, sexual thoughts become more prevalent, and they are more easily aroused. The physical need for sexual release intensifies as sperm builds in the testicles. The body continues to produce and store sperm, although sperm production fluctuates based on levels of testosterone and the frequency of sexual release.

www.focusonthefamily.com...

Shaunti Feldhahn's best-selling book For Women Only underscores the fact that sex has a deep emotional impact on men. Feldhahn interviewed several hundred married men about different aspects of marriage. Not surprisingly, sex dominated their expressed needs and desires. Perhaps the unexpected twist to Feldhahn's findings was the men's feelings behind their sexuality. The vast majority of men indicated that being sexually fulfilled in marriage significantly impacted their confidence and their masculinity. Seventy-seven percent agreed with this statement: "If my wife was an interested and motivated sex partner, it would give me a greater sense of well-being and satisfaction with life."


A man's ability to perform sexually, to arouse and please his wife, is central to his confidence as a man. The impact ripples into practically every other area of his life.

www.focusonthefamily.com...

Paul commanded husbands and wives to be sexually available to each other to avoid temptation. He then encouraged Christians to remain unmarried, unless they have a strong sexual desire. According to Paul, battling sexual temptation is a significant reason for Christians to marry! So, what happens to the man who marries because he "burns" only to find that his wife doesn't "burn"?

Dr. Archibald Hart writes, "Most men face a lifelong struggle to control their sexuality. The struggle is between their hormones and their higher aspirations. It is a battle between their seemingly uncontrollable urges and the fear of succumbing to these urges. Ultimately, it is a struggle over integrity, right and wrong, uprightness and wholeness."

www.focusonthefamily.com...

Gee, if you take those fine christians from focus on the family seriously, one could conclude that waterboarding you husband would be less cruel!!!

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Annee

Who decides when they are living?

Thats the freaking problem

Use birth control and dont have sex like it is not HUMAN MAKING!

If its healthy, there is no risk to a mothers health....there is no excuse to kill a human.

Abortion is legal.

Question answered.

So was slavery, at one time.

One has nothing to do with the other.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: UKTruth

originally posted by: Annee

originally posted by: LifeisGrand
a reply to: mOjOm

None of it is play. It is all real. You may brush it away, in your mind. But I will stand firm. And so will science.

Frankly, your opinion on the matter - - can blow in the wind. That's how much I care about you trying to take some moral high ground.

If its not OK with you, don't do it.

Just stay out of my way.

You sound like Trump. Bravo.

I am woman, hear me roar.

In a real life decision I had to make the choice.

The unborn women haven't been given the opportunity to roar, let alone cry for their mother.

Just sayin'

Your belief.

As long as your belief does not infringe on my legal right of choice, I don't care.

Belief? Try biology. It really doesn't care about your opinions.

You have belief.

I have law.

Yes yes we know. You can legally have another human murdered because you are a woman.

There are laws against murder.

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
I never had premarital sex. And I've only ever had sex with one woman. How the heck is that possible?

Bummer

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Attitudes like that are what discourages teens from trying. "Don't bother, you're a slave to your hormones! You want to have sex, it's normal, don't fight it!"

Oddly, I never had premarital sex. And I've only ever had sex with one woman. How the heck is that possible?

Ok, that's fine if that works for you. If that's what you want then great. But not everyone is you or thinks or acts like you or wants what you want. Do you expect them to be like you???

Not everyone is a teen either BTW. In fact as far as Teens go, you're a sexual Teen for about 5 years of your life. That's a very small percentage of you life. So clearly my attitude is geared toward a much larger section of the population and a much larger percentage of ones life than just teens. Not just teens want sex.

I also never said anything like "Don't bother just give in to your sexual desires" either.

originally posted by: Annee
How much you wannna bet many men will still blame it all on the woman?

You're not going to get me taking any bets like that Annee.

originally posted by: mOjOm
That's unrealistic in the sense that normal people, just living their lives as humans make mistakes as they grow and live. We all do. Some more than others, but that's life. It's part of life. Especially when you're young and haven't had much experience and your body is a chaotic emotional carnival of wonders. You will never win against nature no matter how good your advice might be or how convincing your argument is because emotions often toss logic and reason right out the window. So even if you're correct in your theory it won't matter because you're fighting something more powerful.

Because we are all just animals controlled by base instinct. Right.

... 'carnival of wonders'? Hyperbole much?

Ummmm....You're just incorrect there. If you really think recreational sex is stupid I feel sorry for you and whoever you're with if you're with someone. Especially in a committed relationship where sexual affection is one of the only things you reserve sharing with that one other person to the exclusion of everyone else.

Okay, we need to come up with a line in the dirt here. First you talk about teenagers humping anything that moves, then you talk about committed relationships. That smacks of moving the goalposts.

Kids who are not committed to each other, who are not thinking about the future, who do not have a job, who do not have their freakin' high school diploma yet... they have no business engaging in unprotected, irresponsible, 'carnival of wonders' sex. They have no business putting themselves into a situation where their actions will create another human being that is 100% dependent upon them for survival.

People who are commited to each other, who do have long term plans, who do have jobs and a skill set to develop... I'm not saying they can't have sex. I'm saying they need to rub some brain cells together and take precautions. But then if they do end up getting pregnant then they shouldn't say 'oh it was just recreational sex! we need a mulligan!'

As I told annee, biology doesn't care about your feelings or belief. Sex feels incredible, but that is the positive feeback loop talking, something our bodies have developed over time as an offset for the energy-intensive consequences.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: Annee
How much you wannna bet many men will still blame it all on the woman?

You're not going to get me taking any bets like that Annee.

Not all men

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Attitudes like that are what discourages teens from trying. "Don't bother, you're a slave to your hormones! You want to have sex, it's normal, don't fight it!"

Oddly, I never had premarital sex. And I've only ever had sex with one woman. How the heck is that possible?

Ok, that's fine if that works for you. If that's what you want then great. But not everyone is you or thinks or acts like you or wants what you want. Do you expect them to be like you???

Of course not. I do expect people to own up for the consequences of their actions, though.

BTW - - my unplanned pregnancy was with my first husband - - only man I'd ever had sex with (at the time).

We were in the beginnings of divorce. He was jealous of his own children that took time away from him.

I chose the welfare and happiness of my 2 Living Children age 5 & 8 over everything else.

Oh, the horrors

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: Teikiatsu
Attitudes like that are what discourages teens from trying. "Don't bother, you're a slave to your hormones! You want to have sex, it's normal, don't fight it!"

Oddly, I never had premarital sex. And I've only ever had sex with one woman. How the heck is that possible?

Ok, that's fine if that works for you. If that's what you want then great. But not everyone is you or thinks or acts like you or wants what you want. Do you expect them to be like you???

Of course not. I do expect people to own up for the consequences of their actions, though.

Your naivete and expectations are actually quite charming. Just unrealistic. But Trump will set us all straight, right?

originally posted by: Annee
BTW - - my unplanned pregnancy was with my first husband - - only man I'd ever had sex with (at the time).

We were in the beginnings of divorce. He was jealous of his own children that took time away from him.

I chose the welfare and happiness of my 2 Living Children age 5 & 8 over everything else.

Oh, the horrors

You brought this up, so it is fair game to comment.

First off, your first husband sounds like a selfish bastard. I'm glad you got away from him.

I'm sorry you felt like your third child had to die because of your situation.

No smileys from me. That is grotesque, in my opinion. Seems psychopathic to snark over the death of a child.

originally posted by: olaru12
Your naivete and expectations are actually quite charming. Just unrealistic.

Your paradigm of reality is your problem. Do you give everyone a free pass for consciously, knowingly makes decisions with no care for the inevitable outcome?

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

Because we are all just animals controlled by base instinct. Right.

... 'carnival of wonders'? Hyperbole much?

If that is what you're getting out of what I'm writing all I can say is you need to read it again. Don't interpret it through your prudish sexually repressed filters. Just read it for what it is. Because that is not what I said at all.

Okay, we need to come up with a line in the dirt here. First you talk about teenagers humping anything that moves, then you talk about committed relationships. That smacks of moving the goalposts.

Hold on a second. I never said anything about teenagers at all until you brought them up. Even then I said I wasn't talking about them but to adults mostly.

You seem to be thinking mostly about Teenagers Sexual Activities. Not me. Go back and start again reading my posts if you doubt that.

Kids who are not committed to each other, who are not thinking about the future, who do not have a job, who do not have their freakin' high school diploma yet... they have no business engaging in unprotected, irresponsible, 'carnival of wonders' sex. They have no business putting themselves into a situation where their actions will create another human being that is 100% dependent upon them for survival.

People who are commited to each other, who do have long term plans, who do have jobs and a skill set to develop... I'm not saying they can't have sex. I'm saying they need to rub some brain cells together and take precautions. But then if they do end up getting pregnant then they shouldn't say 'oh it was just recreational sex! we need a mulligan!'

As I told annee, biology doesn't care about your feelings or belief. Sex feels incredible, but that is the positive feeback loop talking, something our bodies have developed over time as an offset for the energy-intensive consequences.

You have a really rigid and repressed way of seeing the world. I know I don't know anything about you but I'd guess you were either raised extremely sheltered or the extreme opposite. You don't give much grace in how others might want to live or allow for much neutrality of others liberty's in how they choose to live IMO. If I'm wrong, no offense, it's just my limited opinion.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: dawnstar

sorry, you must be raped every time.

you cant pull out?

you cant take a pill?

you cant do oral?

you cant fix your instinctual need to have your partner finish inside you?

not buying it.

in many cases you can get FREE BIRTH CONTROL from a plethora of groups worried about over population. There are so many options for both partners its a lie that all are not an option for health or financial reasons.

You must have missionary sex only or your church is really important in your bedroom.

We dont have kids we dont want. We must be magical or our prayers were answered by magical spirits killing my sperm or my wifes eggs.

Wow! You're a real piece of work aren't you!?

You're the reason why laws exist, and you're on the other side of the law on this issue! It's none of your business how and when people other than yourself have sex and choose to deal with their own body issues!

You have a wife. So stop judging others and stay out of other women's vaginas!

originally posted by: Teikiatsu

originally posted by: Annee
BTW - - my unplanned pregnancy was with my first husband - - only man I'd ever had sex with (at the time).

We were in the beginnings of divorce. He was jealous of his own children that took time away from him.

I chose the welfare and happiness of my 2 Living Children age 5 & 8 over everything else.

Oh, the horrors

You brought this up, so it is fair game to comment.

First off, your first husband sounds like a selfish bastard. I'm glad you got away from him.

I'm sorry you felt like your third child had to die because of your situation.

No smileys from me. That is grotesque, in my opinion. Seems psychopathic to snark over the death of a child.

My husband was a very good man, but insecure. He remarried successfully and had another child.

I did not have a third child.