Lets settle this! Would the UK have survived WW2 without the USA.

Britain would have survived without the US , but for reasons not mentioned so far. The House of Windsor is actually German. Saxe coburg and Gotha... and the Rothschilds banking empire dominated both GB , Germany, and the rest of Europe. The bankers had control over technology development..check Vril, Thule, etc in Germany.
The jet engine had a Brt inventor, it just needed more rapid development to beat the German air force. for example.
See the Hess connection between GB and Germany.
WWWII was a managed show by the banksters, including Prescott Bush in the US.

It was everyone working together that stopped Hitler. Europe was not doing so well on it's own. The USA getting involved definitely helped a lot. Could Europe have done it itself? I am skeptical that they would have held Hitler off. As Germany was gaining more territory they were gaining more abilities to make weapons and their planes would have eventually devestated England and killed most of the common people.

The Germans bombed the hell out of the Common people, not the big castles containing the elite so much. Was your family one of the Elite?

a reply to: ScepticScot

Exactly what I was thinking ScepticScot. The contribution of the USSR to World War II goes unnoticed by many. Even growing up there was little about the Soviet Union in our school text books. Without their assistance, this war would have had a much different outcome. I am not saying the allies would have lost, but things would have been much different.

40 years from now, there will be a discussion about what nation was responsible for stopping ISIS.

Someone will say the US and Obama, and that person will be banned for trolling.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
40 years from now, there will be a discussion about what nation was responsible for stopping ISIS.

Someone will say the US and Obama, and that person will be banned for trolling.

Hehe. Say it like it is.

originally posted by: rickymouse
It was everyone working together that stopped Hitler. Europe was not doing so well on it's own. The USA getting involved definitely helped a lot. Could Europe have done it itself? I am skeptical that they would have held Hitler off. As Germany was gaining more territory they were gaining more abilities to make weapons and their planes would have eventually devestated England and killed most of the common people.

The Germans bombed the hell out of the Common people, not the big castles containing the elite so much. Was your family one of the Elite?

We are talking the uK here not Europe in general.

And the british resoundingly crushed the german airforce a year before the USA entry.

a reply to: pikestaff


True enough, but that was only in the last few weeks in the end of the race for Berlin.

a reply to: pikestaff

The double spur gears chosen, combined with lower quality tempered steel, proved to be a burden due to the high torque of the Panther and enormous stress, even more complicated by the tight space allocated. The situation was such that these fragile parts had a life expectancy of 150 km (93.2 mi) on average.

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originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: rickymouse
It was everyone working together that stopped Hitler. Europe was not doing so well on it's own. The USA getting involved definitely helped a lot. Could Europe have done it itself? I am skeptical that they would have held Hitler off. As Germany was gaining more territory they were gaining more abilities to make weapons and their planes would have eventually devestated England and killed most of the common people.

The Germans bombed the hell out of the Common people, not the big castles containing the elite so much. Was your family one of the Elite?

We are talking the uK here not Europe in general.

And the british resoundingly crushed the german airforce a year before the USA entry.

So you didn't need us, we should not have gotten involved then. So if you get attacked again we should just stay away?

a reply to: crazyewok

I'm not sure resoundingly crushed is quite the right phrase, you crazy furry guy...

Hurt them? Yes. That's without question. If crushed, why the incredible losses during the Allied bombing campaigns? Admittedly, unescorted daylight bombers certainly didn't help...but even after escorts became available, it wasn't exactly a cakewalk...

I've always kinda wondered what might have happened if the Germans had kept up their attacks on the RAF, and not gone stupid and begun to bomb London, Coventry, etc...? I've always been under the impression that the RAF was being worn to the nub...not necessarily equipment, but the pilots were being worn out.

a reply to: crazyewok

Not to split hairs... but I going to anyways...

American pilots assisted in that..and I am certain other nations had pilots assisting in that as well..

Other than that

a reply to: warpig69

Only by complete jingoists.

Good grief, the eastern front bled the Wehrmacht white, and crushed a good portion of its soul.

Without the Eastern front, the Western front in Europe is impossible. Without D-day opening that front, the Eastern Front becomes a bloody stalemate in all likelihood. ...and with out the various Resistance movements, both those are harder than they were.

Everyone played an important roll. No one group should be singled out as the preeminent factor.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

But they couldn't. They didn't. The Battle of Britain was won before America entered the war as a belligerent. Who is to say the Germans would have succeeded on a second try?

Hitler never wanted to fight the British anyway. His heart was never in it. He thought the Anglo-Saxons -- in which group he included the Americans -- were Germany's natural allies. Even when his empire was crumbling he preferred to blame his own people rather than the British or Americans.

a reply to: sosobad

Sir or Madam, I salute you.

a reply to: Astyanax

that's very true. His eyes were always, save by necessity, focused east.

...and he couldn't have screwed that up more had he set out to do so deliberately. Ukraine, as an example...his troops were welcomed as liberators for the most part...until the atrocities started. Ooops.

There are so many ways, in retrospect, he could have, if not won, certainly preserved his Reich. As frightening a prospect as that is to contemplate.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: crazyewok

Not to split hairs... but I going to anyways...

American pilots assisted in that..and I am certain other nations had pilots assisting in that as well..

Other than that

We owe gratitude to the 3 U.S. pilots who fought at The Battle Of Britain

a reply to: Irishhaf

You're just about spot on so far as this amateur historian is concerned.

No manufacturer makes anything out of the goodness of their hearts, or without the hope of a profit.

originally posted by: Irishhaf
a reply to: crazyewok

Not to split hairs... but I going to anyways...

American pilots assisted in that..and I am certain other nations had pilots assisting in that as well..

Other than that

One squadron among hundreds.
Usefull yes
Brave yes
But not of life and death strategic value like the gilm pearl habour would have you think.

Though if you grouped the USA along with polish, candians, Australians and other foreign pilot's then you have a point in sayi g foreign volunteers played a big role.

originally posted by: seagull
a reply to: warpig69

Only by complete jingoists.

Good grief, the eastern front bled the Wehrmacht white, and crushed a good portion of its soul.

Without the Eastern front, the Western front in Europe is impossible. Without D-day opening that front, the Eastern Front becomes a bloody stalemate in all likelihood. ...and with out the various Resistance movements, both those are harder than they were.

Everyone played an important roll. No one group should be singled out as the preeminent factor.

Western front was unnecessary militarily. The back of the Wehrmacht was broken in 1943. The war was lost for Germany. Hitler and his sycophants were just delaying their inevitable downfall, at great cost to the German people.

originally posted by: rickymouse

originally posted by: crazyewok

originally posted by: rickymouse
It was everyone working together that stopped Hitler. Europe was not doing so well on it's own. The USA getting involved definitely helped a lot. Could Europe have done it itself? I am skeptical that they would have held Hitler off. As Germany was gaining more territory they were gaining more abilities to make weapons and their planes would have eventually devestated England and killed most of the common people.

The Germans bombed the hell out of the Common people, not the big castles containing the elite so much. Was your family one of the Elite?

We are talking the uK here not Europe in general.

And the british resoundingly crushed the german airforce a year before the USA entry.

So you didn't need us, we should not have gotten involved then. So if you get attacked again we should just stay away?

You didnt join the war in the first place to help us.

You joined because japan attacked you and Germany declared war on you.

And US involvement made defending the UK easier. USA could of invaded Iraq on its own but it still begged the UK to help. As for liberating the rest of Europe ? Yes the UK needed US help as much as the US needed UK and Russian, but thats outside tge topic.