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Breaking the sabbath: Justice of Yahweh
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a reply to: newnature1
And for that I thank God Most High, who is not has not and never will be, Yahweh, more appropriately called Yaldabaoth/Sakla/Samael by our good friends in ancient Egypt who were way ahead of their time in declaring Yahwism absurd and taking a stand. They were stamped out but managed to hide their teachings so someone would find them in a more enlightened era and pick up where they left off. Something I am proud to continue and honored to have the opportunity if even one person might wake up from the slumber that is Christianity.
And for that I thank God Most High, who is not has not and never will be, Yahweh, more appropriately called Yaldabaoth/Sakla/Samael by our good friends in ancient Egypt who were way ahead of their time in declaring Yahwism absurd and taking a stand. They were stamped out but managed to hide their teachings so someone would find them in a more enlightened era and pick up where they left off. Something I am proud to continue and honored to have the opportunity if even one person might wake up from the slumber that is Christianity.
a reply to: Heresiarch
This will be my final question and statement to you, i dont mind debating with you as who doesnt like a good debate
But you have still failed to answer my question, answering my questions with questions and not fully answering my question.
The question i put forward to you again as it seems one needs to repeat themselves over and over to someone who claims to be a critical thinker, you sure do lack understanding or meaning of a basic question so I'll put it in block capitals for you so i make it VERY clear
WHAT HAVE CHRISTIANS PERSONALLY IN YOUR OWN LIFE EVER DONE TO YOU WHICH IS SO WRONG, FOR YOU TO PICK FAULTS AND PUBLICLY BASH THEIR FAITH TO LOOK CLEVER??? SERIOUSLY ON A PERSONAL LEVEL PERSON TO PERSON WHAT HAS ANY CHRISTIAN DONE TO YOU IN YOUR OWN LIFE THAT MERITS SUCH RIDICULE VEHEMENTLY OVER AND OVER???
I hope i was clear in my words of choosing and that you understand the question in its entirety. I gave a sub question underneath my original as to elaborate and make more clear my intent in trying to understand what a christian has done in your own personal life to merit your passion in pursuing them to an extent of almost persecution.
Hope you have a good day sir and look forward to your reply. I just hope you manage to answer the question correctly. If your just pursuing this argument to try and look clever to other atheists then your mentality and immaturity is evidently clear for all to see.
This will be my final question and statement to you, i dont mind debating with you as who doesnt like a good debate
But you have still failed to answer my question, answering my questions with questions and not fully answering my question.
The question i put forward to you again as it seems one needs to repeat themselves over and over to someone who claims to be a critical thinker, you sure do lack understanding or meaning of a basic question so I'll put it in block capitals for you so i make it VERY clear
WHAT HAVE CHRISTIANS PERSONALLY IN YOUR OWN LIFE EVER DONE TO YOU WHICH IS SO WRONG, FOR YOU TO PICK FAULTS AND PUBLICLY BASH THEIR FAITH TO LOOK CLEVER??? SERIOUSLY ON A PERSONAL LEVEL PERSON TO PERSON WHAT HAS ANY CHRISTIAN DONE TO YOU IN YOUR OWN LIFE THAT MERITS SUCH RIDICULE VEHEMENTLY OVER AND OVER???
I hope i was clear in my words of choosing and that you understand the question in its entirety. I gave a sub question underneath my original as to elaborate and make more clear my intent in trying to understand what a christian has done in your own personal life to merit your passion in pursuing them to an extent of almost persecution.
Hope you have a good day sir and look forward to your reply. I just hope you manage to answer the question correctly. If your just pursuing this argument to try and look clever to other atheists then your mentality and immaturity is evidently clear for all to see.
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest
No, it does not neccessarely mean that Jesus claimed to be YHWH. He just claimed to be BEFORE Abraham was. It can be interpretated like this:
I AM the I AM, which means I am life/existence/beingness itself and was BEFORE any kind of god-concept was even possible. I AM the seed of everything.
Know what I mean?
Annnddddd...the term "aham" in sanskrit means something like I am. And Brahma is the creator deity in hinduism. But it is said that Brahma was "born" out of Vishnus navel, which means Vishnu was BEFORE the creator god Brahma came into being.
The term, the name Abraham, could be interpretated like as if it mean (or says): I am Brahma. (In sanskrit all names have a specific meaning.) And in that sense you could say that Jesus Christ emphazised that HE is the creator of Abraham and therefore was before Abraham (Brahma) was.
Which in conclusion makes Jesus Christ a Vishnu avatar and Abraham a Brahma incarnation. Which means that Abraham is Jesus Christ (spiritual son)....hence: "Before Abraham I AM."
Do you like that kind of interpretation, BelieverPriest? And if not, why not?
And no offense, I'm just giving an interpretation of what it means, just like anybody else just gives a mere interpretation.
So you follow the "way of Jesus" yet you fail to realize the He clamed to be YHWH.
"Before Abraham I AM."
No, it does not neccessarely mean that Jesus claimed to be YHWH. He just claimed to be BEFORE Abraham was. It can be interpretated like this:
I AM the I AM, which means I am life/existence/beingness itself and was BEFORE any kind of god-concept was even possible. I AM the seed of everything.
Know what I mean?
Annnddddd...the term "aham" in sanskrit means something like I am. And Brahma is the creator deity in hinduism. But it is said that Brahma was "born" out of Vishnus navel, which means Vishnu was BEFORE the creator god Brahma came into being.
The term, the name Abraham, could be interpretated like as if it mean (or says): I am Brahma. (In sanskrit all names have a specific meaning.) And in that sense you could say that Jesus Christ emphazised that HE is the creator of Abraham and therefore was before Abraham (Brahma) was.
Which in conclusion makes Jesus Christ a Vishnu avatar and Abraham a Brahma incarnation. Which means that Abraham is Jesus Christ (spiritual son)....hence: "Before Abraham I AM."
Do you like that kind of interpretation, BelieverPriest? And if not, why not?
And no offense, I'm just giving an interpretation of what it means, just like anybody else just gives a mere interpretation.
edit on 27-3-2016 by Willingly because: further explaination
What I think is most important is, if you add up all the evil deeds of the Jewish god and compare it with the Christian Satan but remove any use of
names you could not distinguish between the two. Because even in Christianityit is known but not much discussed that no matter how evil you make
Satan that Yahweh is his boss ultimately and not his enemy, and you just can't change that with mythology and inappropriate allegory.
The only solution is that Yahweh is not God, which is actually supported by scripture in El Elyon. Most High El/God is the father of Yahweh even in Deuteronomy and throughout early Yahwism was just a tribal deity. He is not qualified to be the Most High.
The only solution is that Yahweh is not God, which is actually supported by scripture in El Elyon. Most High El/God is the father of Yahweh even in Deuteronomy and throughout early Yahwism was just a tribal deity. He is not qualified to be the Most High.
edit on 27-3-2016 by Heresiarch
because: (no reason given)
I love how in the book of Revelation Satan goes from tempter of man to demigod like adversary of God. He goes from a willing collaborator to being an
enemy with no legitimate explanation.
originally posted by: newnature1
originally posted by: Akragon
originally posted by: newnature1
originally posted by: Akragon
originally posted by: newnature1
originally posted by: Akragon
a reply to: newnature1
Yahweh's righteousness is the key to all this.
Funny... i've always heard of this gods righteousness....
yet i've never found any indication of it...
Satan and his clan are working through ministers of righteousness to keep this news hidden from people. They do it by keeping that issue of sins on the table of God’s justice, clearly that issue of sins was resolved. Justification, not through our behavior and our performance, but this gift decree from God comes by faith, not by our works, not by our efforts. God can look at the sinning person who believes and call that sinning person a saint is the message.
Thats a whole stack of Paulian theology...
Jesus didn't teach faith alone my friend...
Look into it...
It was Christ’s faith and as a result of his faith, his faithfulness that he sacrificed himself and purchased the gift of our salvation. It is our faith in the accomplishment of Christ's faithful sacrifice that is the means whereby God acknowledges that we have accepted the gift his son purchased.
Therefore, God is his infinite wisdom devised a plan whereby he could take the very faith belonging to his son along with its resultant faithfulness and credit that faith and faithfulness to the account of those who believe. Ministers of righteousness still believe that sin is the issue; almost 2000 years after God took care of it! In their mind, God is waiting for man to make a decision, so God can forgive them of their sins.
Same answer as the last reply...
A whole stack of Paulian Theology which Jesus didn't teach... or preach
Find a single passage in the gospels where Jesus "purchased" anything... or speaks of some "sin debt" nonsense
Read the book of Romans. Don't chapter and versus it, read the book of Romans.
Notice i said in "the gospels"... OF course you'll find Pauls theology in his letters...
And i've read romans many times
edit on 27-3-2016 by Akragon because: (no reason given)
originally posted by: Willingly
a reply to: BELIEVERpriest
So you follow the "way of Jesus" yet you fail to realize the He clamed to be YHWH.
"Before Abraham I AM."
No, it does not neccessarely mean that Jesus claimed to be YHWH. He just claimed to be BEFORE Abraham was. It can be interpretated like this:
I AM the I AM, which means I am life/existence/beingness itself and was BEFORE any kind of god-concept was even possible. I AM the seed of everything.
Know what I mean?
Annnddddd...the term "aham" in sanskrit means something like I am. And Brahma is the creator deity in hinduism. But it is said that Brahma was "born" out of Vishnus navel, which means Vishnu was BEFORE the creator god Brahma came into being.
The term, the name Abraham, could be interpretated like as if it mean (or says): I am Brahma. (In sanskrit all names have a specific meaning.) And in that sense you could say that Jesus Christ emphazised that HE is the creator of Abraham and therefore was before Abraham (Brahma) was.
Which in conclusion makes Jesus Christ a Vishnu avatar and Abraham a Brahma incarnation. Which means that Abraham is Jesus Christ (spiritual son)....hence: "Before Abraham I AM."
Do you like that kind of interpretation, BelieverPriest? And if not, why not?
And no offense, I'm just giving an interpretation of what it means, just like anybody else just gives a mere interpretation.
Exodus 3:13-14 - Moses said to God, “When I come to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ what shall I say to them?” And God said to Moses, “Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh.” He continued, “Thus shall you say to the Israelites, ‘Ehyeh sent me to you.’ ”
Not having been raised among his own people, Moses is ignorant of their God’s name and fears he will lack credibility with the Israelites. God’s proper name, disclosed in the verse 15, is YHVH (spelled “yod-heh-vav-heh” in Hebrew; in ancient times the “vav” was pronounced “w”). But here God first tells Moses its meaning: “I Will Be What I Will Be,” meaning “My nature will become evident from my actions.”
Then God answers Moses’ question about what to say to the people: “Tell them: ‘Ehyeh’ (“I Will Be,” a shorter form of the explanation) sent me.” This explanation derives God’s name from the verb “h-v-h,” a variant form of “h-y-h,” “to be.” Because God is the speaker, he uses the first person form of the verb.
Upon reconsideration I`m not confident it was a good idea to answer something so I deleted the post. Sorry for the inconvenience and maybe a mod can
delete this post! Sorry!
edit on 27-3-2016 by Cuddlecow because: (no reason given)
edit on 27-3-2016 by Cuddlecow
because: wanted to add more
edit on 27-3-2016 by Cuddlecow because: (no reason given)
a reply to: newnature1
I think telling Moses I am what/who I am is more like saying" *%¡¢ off, and don't ask again." than anything.
It's more like he doesn't want to reveal his true identity. I get that it translations a little different, but it is the same thing.
Yahweh translates most accurate as "He is" from what I can tell. It's a word that Jews will be not even utter, even though no such command exists in scripture. Suspicious to say the least.
I think telling Moses I am what/who I am is more like saying" *%¡¢ off, and don't ask again." than anything.
It's more like he doesn't want to reveal his true identity. I get that it translations a little different, but it is the same thing.
Yahweh translates most accurate as "He is" from what I can tell. It's a word that Jews will be not even utter, even though no such command exists in scripture. Suspicious to say the least.
a reply to: newnature1
I think the most likely scenario, as odd as this is going to sound, is that:
Abraham was A Brahman, not Brahma, who came from northern India and was driven out either by disaster or exile, on his way to stay with the Chaldeans (priest caste) he stopped in Persia where he was Ibrahim Zeradust (Zoroaster) before settling in Ur. This is based off what Hindu and Zoroastrian legends both confirm today if you look. Brahma and Sarasvati is obviously linked to Abraham and Sarah, less obvious but confirmed by Parsees today is Abraham/Ibrahim Zeradust.
I think the most likely scenario, as odd as this is going to sound, is that:
Abraham was A Brahman, not Brahma, who came from northern India and was driven out either by disaster or exile, on his way to stay with the Chaldeans (priest caste) he stopped in Persia where he was Ibrahim Zeradust (Zoroaster) before settling in Ur. This is based off what Hindu and Zoroastrian legends both confirm today if you look. Brahma and Sarasvati is obviously linked to Abraham and Sarah, less obvious but confirmed by Parsees today is Abraham/Ibrahim Zeradust.
edit on 27-3-2016 by Heresiarch because: (no reason given)
God is above people's lives and deaths, he created the concept of both.
Since you're so keen on your gnostic "yhwh is the devil" goggles, start with the flood, or Sodom: more death.
Even in the Moses story, all the firstborns of Egypt? Some were surely good kids!
God's making of humanity is certainly mysterious, at least as mysterious as if he were an explosion and monkeys.
Makes sense that he would be serious about the ten commandments though.
People who don't take regular breaks from their daily jobs become turbo insane workoholics and if the hebrews had done that, the world would be way way worse than it is now for that guy's death.
Imagine the kind of man it takes to see the creator of the world part the sea, destroy the biggest empire on earth in a day, hear him say "take the day off" and decide "eh what ever I'll just not take the day off, just to show him who's in charge"
Not the best kind of man for sure, and frankly I'm glad he didn't become a nation.
As for the deaths of all those killed by god's actions or exhortations, you have to see something here:
we can play a video game in which, in order to make the game unfold the way we want it, much video game "death" occurs.
This is not actual murder, even though we didn't create the computer (and in most cases didn't even program the game).
To God, we're not all that: he can make an entire new world like you'd make a pie, and if it doesn't taste or look like the pie you want, you can throw it in the bin and make a better one.
If you kill some guy you'd be insane scumbag & c, but if you throw your #ty pie in the bin, or a small part of an apple on it that looks like it may be unfit for the pie? Basic pie-making
Judging god isn't even as smart as denying god: if you think there is a creator, what ever he does is his prerogative entirely and you have no more right to judge it than the pawn on your chessboard can tell you to move the queen to b6 or you're a scumbag.
So the gnostic workaround is to say "oh but "yhwh" isn't the creator."
You either receive the story or you don't: yhwh is the god of Moses who is the god of Jacob four generations earlier, and is the god of Abraham who is the god of Adam who is the creator.
human emotions do not apply to god in any way, not taking his guidelines seriously results in much unnecessary grief, believing the serpent is what made Adam's kids go through all this nonsense to begin with.
"yeah let's believe the serpent again, surely this time he's on our side"
well.. nope
Didn't work when he said science of good and evil would make us gods
won't work when he says he's god and god is the serpent, either
Since you're so keen on your gnostic "yhwh is the devil" goggles, start with the flood, or Sodom: more death.
Even in the Moses story, all the firstborns of Egypt? Some were surely good kids!
God's making of humanity is certainly mysterious, at least as mysterious as if he were an explosion and monkeys.
Makes sense that he would be serious about the ten commandments though.
People who don't take regular breaks from their daily jobs become turbo insane workoholics and if the hebrews had done that, the world would be way way worse than it is now for that guy's death.
Imagine the kind of man it takes to see the creator of the world part the sea, destroy the biggest empire on earth in a day, hear him say "take the day off" and decide "eh what ever I'll just not take the day off, just to show him who's in charge"
Not the best kind of man for sure, and frankly I'm glad he didn't become a nation.
As for the deaths of all those killed by god's actions or exhortations, you have to see something here:
we can play a video game in which, in order to make the game unfold the way we want it, much video game "death" occurs.
This is not actual murder, even though we didn't create the computer (and in most cases didn't even program the game).
To God, we're not all that: he can make an entire new world like you'd make a pie, and if it doesn't taste or look like the pie you want, you can throw it in the bin and make a better one.
If you kill some guy you'd be insane scumbag & c, but if you throw your #ty pie in the bin, or a small part of an apple on it that looks like it may be unfit for the pie? Basic pie-making
Judging god isn't even as smart as denying god: if you think there is a creator, what ever he does is his prerogative entirely and you have no more right to judge it than the pawn on your chessboard can tell you to move the queen to b6 or you're a scumbag.
So the gnostic workaround is to say "oh but "yhwh" isn't the creator."
You either receive the story or you don't: yhwh is the god of Moses who is the god of Jacob four generations earlier, and is the god of Abraham who is the god of Adam who is the creator.
human emotions do not apply to god in any way, not taking his guidelines seriously results in much unnecessary grief, believing the serpent is what made Adam's kids go through all this nonsense to begin with.
"yeah let's believe the serpent again, surely this time he's on our side"
well.. nope
Didn't work when he said science of good and evil would make us gods
won't work when he says he's god and god is the serpent, either