Geobiographically where is the souls domain?

originally posted by: Qwerm
Geobiographically where is the souls domain

It's everywhere, we are just under the illusion we are separate.

One day we'll wake up, no worries.

While I don't think there is a way to know the answer to this definitively. I have enjoyed reading the responses here. A lot of good ideas, that I could see as possibly being correct. I especially liked the answer that said, what if we are part of the soul, not the soul being part of us.

Here's my two cents, so don't spend it all in one place. (This is also somewhat tongue in check, so don't rake me over the coals for it.) When you were little, and you did something that you knew was wrong, did you experience any strange sensations in your body while thinking about it? I did, and it made me feel sick without a doubt. Have you ever been hit anywhere on your body, where you felt like you were going to literally die as a result?

Well these two sensations come from the same location in the body. Your solar plexus. (Funny how those words combined, sound like the house of the soul! Solar/soul, with a definition of plex being "especially denoting structures with a given number of dwelling units." I.E. Duplex, condo complex, etc.. = Where the soul dwells.

When my wife had a miscarriage of our first child. She wasn't very far along in the pregnancy. But there was one point, where I literally felt like a flash of energy shot into or through my body. It was so strong, I had to crouch down, because I felt like I was going to pass out from it. But when that happened. The energy felt like it shot straight into my solar plexus. So my guess is the solar plexus.

Peace,
TomSawyer

Anyone heard of this saying/theory that a soul leaves a body through the top of the head?
Or that when a person dies within 24 hours you should not touch/shake the body as much as possible, as the soul is in agony while trying to leave the physical body when its being handled?

Anyway my guess is that it resides in the whole body not just any part.

originally posted by: Qwerm
Geobiographically where is the souls domain

Perhaps if you understood what a Soul is, before asking where one lives, might be of more pragmatic use.

We are all unique Conscious Perspectives (Souls) perceiving the One (unchanging, ALL inclusive) Universal Reality/Self!

"Consciousness is the ground of all being!" - Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics
One Universal Consciousness!

EVERY Planck volume (yes! Go look it up) of the Universe, every single point in the Universe, ever, is Consciousness, and a unique Perspective!

Look up every dictionary, and every definition of 'Perspective', and you'll begin, perhaps, to get an inkling.
All is Known because all is perceived by Consciousness via Souls, Here! Now!!
All Souls are unique each and every moment of existence!

So, that answers your question.

Questions? *__-

People talk about following their gut instinct.
When you feel guilty/ scared, where does it hurt?
When you are in love, where do you feel the butterflies?

My answer is the solar plexus area.

originally posted by: namelesss

originally posted by: Qwerm
Geobiographically where is the souls domain

Perhaps if you understood what a Soul is, before asking where one lives, might be of more pragmatic use.

We are all unique Conscious Perspectives (Souls) perceiving the One (unchanging, ALL inclusive) Universal Reality/Self!

"Consciousness is the ground of all being!" - Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics
One Universal Consciousness!

EVERY Planck volume (yes! Go look it up) of the Universe, every single point in the Universe, ever, is Consciousness, and a unique Perspective!

Look up every dictionary, and every definition of 'Perspective', and you'll begin, perhaps, to get an inkling.
All is Known because all is perceived by Consciousness via Souls, Here! Now!!
All Souls are unique each and every moment of existence!

So, that answers your question.

Questions? *__-

I have an understanding of Buddhist beliefs and their scientific counterpart Darwins' evolution.
The point I would enquire of; is Universal Consciousness in view of the above mentioned really true.
I don't see how a wooden chair could be self aware or be an atom of God, or that in any physical/spiritual sense there is a connection between me and a wooden chair. Would you consider a wooden chair to be self conscious?

originally posted by: Qwerm
I don't see how a wooden chair could be self aware or be an atom of God, or that in any physical/spiritual sense there is a connection between me and a wooden chair. Would you consider a wooden chair to be self conscious?

A wooden chair is no different from what is seen when looking in a mirror.
All that appears is made of the same stuff - dream stuff.

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: Qwerm
I don't see how a wooden chair could be self aware or be an atom of God, or that in any physical/spiritual sense there is a connection between me and a wooden chair. Would you consider a wooden chair to be self conscious?

A wooden chair is no different from what is seen when looking in a mirror.
All that appears is made of the same stuff - dream stuff.

but is it self-aware....the chair.

"Where is the soul?" leads to additional questions.

How are souls created?

Where do souls go after death?

its nowhere. space is just numbers. think about if you are wearing a VR headset controlling a character. where are you connected to that character? you arent. its just your perception. you just interpret the data.

at least thats how i figure it.

originally posted by: Qwerm

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: Qwerm
I don't see how a wooden chair could be self aware or be an atom of God, or that in any physical/spiritual sense there is a connection between me and a wooden chair. Would you consider a wooden chair to be self conscious?

A wooden chair is no different from what is seen when looking in a mirror.
All that appears is made of the same stuff - dream stuff.

but is it self-aware....the chair.

Are you 'self' aware?
What would be this 'self' that you are aware of?

You are aware. You are aware of whatever is appearing. Where is or what is the 'self'?

Remember we are not made of the same 'stuff' we were a few years ago as the body is constantly replacing ALL parts of itself.

Everything is made of the same stuff just in different proportions and all our bits were manufactured in the heart of a star as was all physical material.

Also around 95% of the known Universe is dark matter and dark energy and therefore invisible to us humans.

You would also need to define what you mean by soul - everybody seems to use the word slightly differently.

So in essence there is little difference between myself and a chair - I have no idea if a chair is sentient although I assume not as it is essentially a dead tree. Trees do however communicate as do all plants - whether that makes them self aware I'll leave up to you to decide.

(However if something communicates danger to its neighbours - which plants have been proven to do - in my opinion that signifies an awareness of sorts)

originally posted by: johnb
Remember we are not made of the same 'stuff' we were a few years ago as the body is constantly replacing ALL parts of itself.

Everything that is appearing, including the body, is constantly appearing different - it appears and disappears, reappearing different. However it is not ever made of anything other than it always has been.
All of it is made of you. The dream scene is ever changing but you, the space that allows the dream, is constant.

a reply to: Itisnowagain

I can agree with that mostly but even in our dreams we shed skin,hair, breathe and consume food/liquids which are used to replace the cells that have died, scraped of or whatever. The blood I bleed is no longer part of 'me' but runs down the sink into the sewer and becomes part of the river or perhaps seeps into the ground and becomes part of plant which I may then eat at a later date.

The bits of river I see now will become part of the ocean, then a cloud, then rain before it is the part of the river again.

But I do know what you mean

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: Qwerm

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: Qwerm
I don't see how a wooden chair could be self aware or be an atom of God, or that in any physical/spiritual sense there is a connection between me and a wooden chair. Would you consider a wooden chair to be self conscious?

A wooden chair is no different from what is seen when looking in a mirror.
All that appears is made of the same stuff - dream stuff.

but is it self-aware....the chair.

Are you 'self' aware?
What would be this 'self' that you are aware of?

You are aware. You are aware of whatever is appearing. Where is or what is the 'self'?

I think therefore I am, I don't think a chair thinks.

originally posted by: Qwerm

originally posted by: namelesss

originally posted by: Qwerm
Geobiographically where is the souls domain

Perhaps if you understood what a Soul is, before asking where one lives, might be of more pragmatic use.

We are all unique Conscious Perspectives (Souls) perceiving the One (unchanging, ALL inclusive) Universal Reality/Self!

"Consciousness is the ground of all being!" - Copenhagen interpretation of quantum mechanics
One Universal Consciousness!

EVERY Planck volume (yes! Go look it up) of the Universe, every single point in the Universe, ever, is Consciousness, and a unique Perspective!

Look up every dictionary, and every definition of 'Perspective', and you'll begin, perhaps, to get an inkling.
All is Known because all is perceived by Consciousness via Souls, Here! Now!!
All Souls are unique each and every moment of existence!

So, that answers your question.

Questions? *__-

I have an understanding of Buddhist beliefs and their scientific counterpart Darwins' evolution.

I do not claim anything Buddhist, other than that I know that the Buddha was Wise enough to proscribe 'beliefs' of any kind!
And it's relationship to the theory of 'evolution'...
Perhaps that all the subject of another discussion? *__-

The point I would enquire of; is Universal Consciousness in view of the above mentioned really true.
I don't see how a wooden chair could be self aware or be an atom of God,

Perhaps an analogy;
Imagine a good security system in a building.
There are inanimate "wooden chair" security cameras all over the place!
There is not the least bit of space within the building that is not constantly monitored by these cameras/mirrors/Souls.
Sitting at the desk of the control panel, the huge bank of cameras, focusing on each one all at the same moment (essentially the Conscious observing and the observed, says the ancient mystics and quantum physics, are a single unit, One!
Rather than seeing through any particular eyes, The One sees through all eyes!

Now, no camera has any notion of a 'self'!
Like a mirror reflecting...
A Zen (thoughtless) moment.

All concepts of an individual 'self' exists in/as 'thought/imagination'... 'ego'!
Who and what we imagine ourselves to be!
Our 'self' identity.

We do not manufacture 'thought/Consciousness' in that wet lump of mear rattling about in our skulls, but like everything that exists, it is 'perceived'.
Rocks are perceived, the moon is perceived, the unicorn army of the imagination is 'perceived'...

Some Souls/cameras/mirrors are pointed, at any particular moment, toward 'thought'.
Some thoughts contain concepts of a 'self'.
Some Perspectives just point at the sun, no 'thought' perceived.
For instance, I tend to doubt that the perspective of a momentary paramecium is capable of perceiving 'thought'.
But it DOES perceive it's unique Perspective of the world around it, in it's scales, and added to all others (Perspectives/Souls; All is Known!
The complete Universal Self!

Every Perspective is unique, by definition/nature.

"For every Perspective, there is an equal and opposite Perspective!" - The First Law of Soul Dynamics (Book of Fudd)

"The acceptance and understanding of other Perspectives furthers our acquaintance with Reality!"

"The complete Universe (Reality/Truth/God/'Self!'/Tao/Brahman... or any feature herein...) can be completely defined/described as the synchronous sum-total of all Perspectives!" - Book of Fudd
ALL INCLUSIVE!!!

tat tvam asi (en.wikipedia.org...)

or that in any physical/spiritual sense there is a connection between me and a wooden chair.

Actually, science has thrown up their hands in an attempt to determine the exact point where one thing (you, for instance) leaves off, and where another (the sun, for instance) begins!
The admission is, at this time, there is no such distinction to be found.
It is an appearance is all that there's different, autonomous solid specks floating in the vastness of 'empty' space.
Upon deeply examining ANYTHING, from a dream to the sun to quarks... we find that EVERYTHING is made of the exact same stuff; 'information waves', "Mindstuff"!
It takes the limitations of each and every Soul/Perspective to Know the entire 'Cloud'!
The Reality itself, all together, cannot be Known by Consciousness as it is ineffable, without qualities!
The limitations of each Perspective allow it to perceive a tiny slice of this unKnowable Cloud, the One Omni- Self!
Like a movie that does not affect the screen, no matter who or what stands in front of the screen, movie will be seen on him!
Whether a chair, or a person thinking that they are the movie (or actually 'believing' it; insanity) they see in the mirror... Soul is completely unattached/untouched/unpossessed by the passing phantasm...
There are trillions of trillions times trillions ^100 (to the 100th power).... of Souls in the area that, for the moment, is what you consider to be 'your body'.
All being 'processed/Known' by the Central Unit of Universal Consciousness.

Am I making any sense to you? *__-
'Tisn't an easy subject on which to speak, especially when "to speak is to lie"!

Would you consider a wooden chair to be self conscious?

I consider a wooden chair to be non-different from me.
Both being features of the One (unchanging, ALL inclusive) Universal Reality!

Existence = the complete Universe = Nature = Reality = Consciousness = Truth = Love = 'Self!' = God = Brahman = Tao = ... etc....
ALL INCLUSIVE!!
'One'!

originally posted by: Qwerm

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: Qwerm

originally posted by: Itisnowagain

originally posted by: Qwerm
I don't see how a wooden chair could be self aware or be an atom of God, or that in any physical/spiritual sense there is a connection between me and a wooden chair. Would you consider a wooden chair to be self conscious?

A wooden chair is no different from what is seen when looking in a mirror.
All that appears is made of the same stuff - dream stuff.

but is it self-aware....the chair.

Are you 'self' aware?
What would be this 'self' that you are aware of?

You are aware. You are aware of whatever is appearing. Where is or what is the 'self'?

I think therefore I am, I don't think a chair thinks.

The idea arises that 'you' think. Thought arises and 'you' are aware of thought.

a reply to: Qwerm

Solar Plexus. And it has a view looking up through the body towards the brain that is very similar to the design of a cathedral. If you look at the classic design for a cathedral you can see that it is modeled on the form of a human body and I would place the soul at the top of the nave, speaking from experience here. The ribcage is similar to the arched buttresses, the light at the sanctuary is where the brain is located, etc. The Bible is right in saying our body is a temple/cathedral. We live in it but it is not us, it is our home for a time.

Interesting thread,

STM

Link to Cathedral Layout

a reply to: namelesss
Wow nice post.

I can see what you are saying, that if something is perceived it is because it exists, and everything exists, and so all things are one and the same "one"
and within that one is consciousness because the innate is perceived by consciousness. etc
Spirit though cannot be seen or perceived, it is invisible, so would you say that if one can conceptualize a thing from the unperceived void, that then one has brought the non perceived into existence? I think you would.
So you would you say that there is no single soul/s because ALL is soul.

I would like to add for myself that the GOD particle of existence was imagined and so existence was brought forth, and the one who imagined was the one true God. We are existence but a product of the one who initiated it. IMO

originally posted by: seentoomuch
a reply to: Qwerm

Solar Plexus. And it has a view looking up through the body towards the brain that is very similar to the design of a cathedral. If you look at the classic design for a cathedral you can see that it is modeled on the form of a human body and I would place the soul at the top of the nave, speaking from experience here. The ribcage is similar to the arched buttresses, the light at the sanctuary is where the brain is located, etc. The Bible is right in saying our body is a temple/cathedral. We live in it but it is not us, it is our home for a time.

Interesting thread,

STM

Link to Cathedral Layout

Thanks for sharing, I never would have had that thought unaided.