Noticed it yet? Israel has not being targeted by ISIS or Other Terrorists

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Does Israel try to dictate its ambitions upon Palestinians ?

Quite successfully: many Egyptian and Jordanian and other neighbours get on the Palestinian ticket.
N.B.: Abu Mazen is not jewish, and is in full legal and strategic control of Palestine.

It goes beyond the borders of 1967 isn't it ?

Depends which calendar and whose map.

So you fancy Jewish theocracy ?

Sure beats democracy

Didn't you told us you were in favour of a secular state before ?

Nope

The Iranians are not sensible then given that they agree with the UN inspectors.

They made a deal with Obama, and that's their prerogative entirely.

Nor is any country that agrees with UN conventions.

Also those countries' prerogative: UN as a world govt is fine and dandy to those who want a world govt, I don't.

That point of view is nowadays only shared by North Korea.

Actually, no
Many individuals value strategy over compliance with a world government, and I wouldn't dream of caring who doesn't.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

"All jewish army" as you say. But there are many arab druze in the idf. And 1.8 million arab israeli citizens who enjoy great freedom.

Over ten years ago I was beginning to worry about the east moving west, and the south heading north, well, its happening, it will continue to happen until 'festung Europa' is re-enstated, (fortress Europe) there is just no other way, eventually, not enough food, not enough water, not enough roofs, not enough money, the east and the south will total;y bankrupt Europe, and the east and south will say its Europe's fault!

Strange how America lets Muslims flood in, but Christians, less than one in a thousand...

originally posted by: wisvol

Does Israel try to dictate its ambitions upon Palestinians ?


Quite successfully: many Egyptian and Jordanian and other neighbours get on the Palestinian ticket.
N.B.: Abu Mazen is not jewish, and is in full legal and strategic control of Palestine.

So you DICTATE, quite proudly, what others have to do/think/behave.

originally posted by: wisvol

It goes beyond the borders of 1967 isn't it ?


Depends which calendar and whose map.

Feel free to share with the whole audience.

originally posted by: wisvol

So you fancy Jewish theocracy ?


Sure beats democracy

I can't imagine a single Islamic republic that would disagree.

originally posted by: wisvol

Didn't you told us you were in favour of a secular state before ?


Nope

You never said you were for secularity indeed, that quote was from Kitzik.

originally posted by: wisvol

The Iranians are not sensible then given that they agree with the UN inspectors.


They made a deal with Obama, and that's their prerogative entirely.

They made actually a deal with the international community.

originally posted by: wisvol

Nor is any country that agrees with UN conventions.


Also those countries' prerogative: UN as a world govt is fine and dandy to those who want a world govt, I don't.

What's the point of international diplomacy ?
There are obvioulsy a need to reform the UN institutions.
Giving them the middle-finger is not best way imo.

originally posted by: wisvol

That point of view is nowadays only shared by North Korea.


Actually, no
Many individuals value strategy over compliance with a world government, and I wouldn't dream of caring who doesn't.

But all other countries (not individuals) agree through dialogue inside, for ex., the UN.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

So you DICTATE, quite proudly, what others have to do/think/behave.

This isn't how sensible conclusions are reached. Israel's ambition for Palestinians is that Palestinians feel at home and behaves like Luxembourg behaves toward Belgium, in full wealth and peace of mind.
It may not be achieved at that level yet, but Belgium had a 118 year head start, be fair.

Feel free to share with the whole audience.

A welcome encouragement. N.B.: been doing this, remember? You responded so I assumed you remembered.

I can't imagine a single Islamic republic that would disagree.

That's progress in getting along with the neighbours then.

They made actually a deal with the international community.

The international community? lol best of luck to these guys.

What's the point of international diplomacy ? There are obvioulsy a need to reform the UN institutions. Giving them the middle-finger is not best way imo.

The point of national sovereignty holds more water in my view.
I wouldn't give the UN the finger: they'd take the hand.

But all other countries (not individuals) agree through dialogue inside, for ex., the UN.

A common misconception: countries as decision making entities actually are composed exclusively of individuals. Sometimes these individuals make decisions I find to be the best, in this case not obeying foreigners and acting on behalf of their constituents.

Interesting. I think IS might be an asset to them.

originally posted by: wisvol
This isn't how sensible conclusions are reached. Israel's ambition for Palestinians is that Palestinians feel at home and behaves like Luxembourg behaves toward Belgium, in full wealth and peace of mind.
It may not be achieved at that level yet, but Belgium had a 118 year head start, be fair.

Belgium never went at war with Luxembourg, be fair.

originally posted by: wisvol

I can't imagine a single Islamic republic that would disagree.


That's progress in getting along with the neighbours then.

I'll let one of your countryman answer this one :

originally posted by: wisvol

They made actually a deal with the international community.


The international community? lol best of luck to these guys.


What's the point of international diplomacy ? There are obvioulsy a need to reform the UN institutions. Giving them the middle-finger is not best way imo.


The point of national sovereignty holds more water in my view.
I wouldn't give the UN the finger: they'd take the hand.

You mean like when you shake hands or when you slap someone in the face.

originally posted by: wisvol

But all other countries (not individuals) agree through dialogue inside, for ex., the UN.


A common misconception: countries as decision making entities actually are composed exclusively of individuals. Sometimes these individuals make decisions I find to be the best, in this case not obeying foreigners and acting on behalf of their constituents.

Direct democracy is good thing when it comes to ask the people their point of view on major issues Brexit, EU treaties, ... as long as they are fully aware of the pro and cons.
So the intention is not to consider/comply with any international pre-established rules ?
What does, as of you, qualify a country as a 'rogue state' ?

a reply to: TaleDawn

Easy nobody in their right mind wants to piss off the IDF

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Belgium never went at war with Luxembourg, be fair.

Not saying it did. Armed conflict between Israel and Palestine has debatable origins.

I'll let one of your countryman answer this one :

If a guy is in Zion, and claims Zionists drive him crazy, why would he claim "things are good for me here"?

You mean like when you shake hands or when you slap someone in the face.

A question mark would have been appropriate. No

Direct democracy is good thing when it comes to ask the people their point of view on major issues Brexit, EU treaties, ... as long as they are fully aware of the pro and cons. So the intention is not to consider/comply with any international pre-established rules ? What does, as of you, qualify a country as a 'rogue state' ?

International pre-established rule means less to me than national sovereignty.

A "rogue state" is to me a silly concept because rogue doesn't apply to a sovereign state, since there is no superior authority.
Semantically drifted meaning could include a dishonest state, so I guess any state that uses fake pretext for war, or doesn't honour trade deals with other states?

originally posted by: wisvol

Belgium never went at war with Luxembourg, be fair.


Not saying it did. Armed conflict between Israel and Palestine has debatable origins.

Maybe that kibbutz is not doing as fine as you think, when you see the side-effects.

originally posted by: wisvol

I'll let one of your countryman answer this one :


If a guy is in Zion, and claims Zionists drive him crazy, why would he claim "things are good for me here"?

You know I read Haaretz ...
The Blog Post That Led to the Investigation of an Israeli Left-wing Activist

originally posted by: wisvol

You mean like when you shake hands or when you slap someone in the face.


A question mark would have been appropriate. No

Yes.
You mean like when you shake hands or when you slap someone in the face ?

originally posted by: wisvol

Direct democracy is good thing when it comes to ask the people their point of view on major issues Brexit, EU treaties, ... as long as they are fully aware of the pro and cons. So the intention is not to consider/comply with any international pre-established rules ? What does, as of you, qualify a country as a 'rogue state' ?


International pre-established rule means less to me than national sovereignty.

A "rogue state" is to me a silly concept because rogue doesn't apply to a sovereign state, since there is no superior authority.
Semantically drifted meaning could include a dishonest state, so I guess any state that uses fake pretext for war, or doesn't honour trade deals with other states?

Another silly concept being 'international community'.
Don't you consider that, for the own good of its own citizens, Israel should consider Darchei Shalom ?

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Maybe that kibbutz is not doing as fine as you think, when you see the side-effects.

Ongeveert

You know I read Haaretz ... The Blog Post That Led to the Investigation of an Israeli Left-wing Activist

"A complaint was lodged against blogger Yossi Gurvitz by a right-wing organization"
From link
A complaint was lodged? By an organization, no less?

You mean like when you shake hands or when you slap someone in the face ?

I mean neither: I wouldn't trust a world government. If it ever came to it certainly a handshake is always the preferable option of the two, but since there are other options including wishing them luck I pick that.

Another silly concept being 'international community'. Don't you consider that, for the own good of its own citizens, Israel should consider Darchei Shalom ?

Why do you say the concept of international community is silly? You lost faith in the UN?

Nice transliteration, and most definitely a good consideration for Israel, which in my opinion may have considered it even before you asked.

You've come a long way since the cartoon, we should hang out. I'm in Rixensart until next week.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

You know I read Haaretz ... The Blog Post That Led to the Investigation of an Israeli Left-wing Activist

Excuse me, I will interrupt again. You seems to read Haaretz a lot. Yes, there is a small minority of ultra-leftist individuals in Israel and you have some sympathy only to the guys like him. Yet, even such ultra-leftists are not allowed on the campuses in the Palestinian University Bir-Zeit only because they are Israelians.
When a Haaretz Journalist Was Asked to Leave a Palestinian University
read more: www.haaretz.com...

When I registered at the entrance of the conference I wrote next to my name the institution I belong to, Haaretz. For the past two decades, the lecturer said, there has been a law at Birzeit stipulating that Israelis (Jewish Israelis, that is) are not allowed on the university grounds.
read more: www.haaretz.com...

She also told me that Professor Ilan Pappe, author of the book 'The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine,' among others, had been invited to deliver a lecture at Birzeit, but owing to the law, gave the talk off campus. read more: www.haaretz.com...

Compare this to Haifa University in Israel www.iataskforce.org...

The University of Haifa's Jewish-Arab Center The JAC is involved in ongoing research and current affairs, and its activities are intended to encourage and support equitable coexistence between Jewish and Palestinian Arab citizens of Israel, including: Providing an umbrella organization for researchers from different disciplines and other countries to meet, exchange information, conduct studies and disseminate knowledge. New academic programs, especially Peace Studies, to include matters such as Conflict Resolution and Reconciliation; Promoting Bilingual Education, both through research and through various social and educational initiatives; Enhancing relevant data collection and developing a center that would provide information and guidance to researchers in fields related to Arab-Jewish issues; Establishing an operative basis for managing a broad, multidisciplinary research effort on the subject of civil society in Israel; Strengthening ties between Jewish and Arab students, and illuminating their common interests; Training future leaders from the Arab and Jewish student population; Enhancing, through partnerships and joint ventures between the University and the Jewish and Palestinian Arab communities in Israel, the connections between the University and other academic organizations and with local and international NGOs with similar interests.

So, answer me who wants peace, Darchei Shalom ?

originally posted by: wisvol


Maybe that kibbutz is not doing as fine as you think, when you see the side-effects.


Ongeveert

Instead of being approximative, could you provide a reply to the following statement :
Maybe that kibbutz is not doing as fine as you think, when you see the side-effects.

originally posted by: wisvol
"A complaint was lodged against blogger Yossi Gurvitz by a right-wing organization"
From link
A complaint was lodged? By an organization, no less?

His Human-Rights activism put him in further legal troubles.

originally posted by: wisvol

You mean like when you shake hands or when you slap someone in the face ?


I mean neither: I wouldn't trust a world government. If it ever came to it certainly a handshake is always the preferable option of the two, but since there are other options including wishing them luck I pick that.

What if the 'international community started considering sanctions against Israel ?
What if individuals would start massively to embrace the BDS ?

originally posted by: wisvol

Another silly concept being 'international community'. Don't you consider that, for the own good of its own citizens, Israel should consider Darchei Shalom ?


Why do you say the concept of international community is silly? You lost faith in the UN?

No, I'm just echoing you point of view.

originally posted by: wisvol
Nice transliteration, and most definitely a good consideration for Israel, which in my opinion may have considered it even before you asked.

You've come a long way since the cartoon, we should hang out. I'm in Rixensart until next week.

You don't seem and never meant to embrace by yourself any of the precepts of Darchei Shalom.

Rixensart ?
90.2 Radio Judaica

a reply to: TaleDawn

Oh look, its the "lets blame Israel for everything" thread of the day. The entire premise of this thread is antisemitic. The premise is so ludicrous just wanted to pop in here and point it out. I will not be responding or posting in this thread again, ever.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

Instead of being approximative, could you provide a reply to the following statement : Maybe that kibbutz is not doing as fine as you think, when you see the side-effects.

Don't be psychorigid, my reply has been given to you.

His Human-Rights activism put him in further legal troubles.

Not really: he was interviewed to assess whether he'd been convinced, threatened or bribed into being a danger to others, happens everywhere from time to time.

What if the 'international community started considering sanctions against Israel ? What if individuals would start massively to embrace the BDS ?

The UN passes 94.2% of all "resolutions" against Israel now, so I don't really understand the question.

If BDS was a UN thing, Zionism would be complete: no jew would stay in diaspora over the week-end if there's no available manishevetz.

No, I'm just echoing you point of view.

You aren't, because echo already has meanings, none of which apply to that statement.

You don't seem and never meant to embrace by yourself any of the precepts of Darchei Shalom.

What I seem to you is your prerogative, what I mean is not. Based on my answer to your first Darchei Shalom related question you could have formed a better opinion.

Radio Judaica is worthless ever since Raphael Green died, but thanks.
I knew you were a fan in denial, totally called it.

originally posted by: wisvol

Instead of being approximative, could you provide a reply to the following statement : Maybe that kibbutz is not doing as fine as you think, when you see the side-effects.


Don't be psychorigid, my reply has been given to you.

I'm not psychorigid, I stand my ground. So do you.
Our point of view are conflicting but you never wished to consider the current state of kibbutzim, as you never really showed what was your concept of the 1967 borders and, how it conflicts with current kibbutz.

originally posted by: wisvol

His Human-Rights activism put him in further legal troubles.


Not really: he was interviewed to assess whether he'd been convinced, threatened or bribed into being a danger to others, happens everywhere from time to time.

Yeah right ...
Any ambition to consider his statement beside :
If a guy is in Zion, and claims Zionists drive him crazy, why would he claim "things are good for me here"?

originally posted by: wisvol

What if the 'international community started considering sanctions against Israel ? What if individuals would start massively to embrace the BDS ?


The UN passes 94.2% of all "resolutions" against Israel now, so I don't really understand the question.
If BDS was a UN thing, Zionism would be complete: no jew would stay in diaspora over the week-end if there's no available manishevetz.

These guys maybe :

originally posted by: wisvol

No, I'm just echoing you point of view.


You aren't, because echo already has meanings, none of which apply to that statement.

Evasive statement, as often.

originally posted by: wisvol

You don't seem and never meant to embrace by yourself any of the precepts of Darchei Shalom.


What I seem to you is your prerogative, what I mean is not. Based on my answer to your first Darchei Shalom related question you could have formed a better opinion.

Hopefully, you are not in charge of forming my opinions.

originally posted by: wisvol
Radio Judaica is worthless ever since Raphael Green died, but thanks.
I knew you were a fan in denial, totally called it.

Once again, denial of what ?

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

There you go talking about 1967 borders again..
In 1967 There were two little things called the Egyptian occupation of Gaza and the Jordanian occupation of the West Bank.
Neither egypt or Jordan wants to take those pieces of land back.
For the same reasons they didn't want to take it back after it was offered to them in 1967.

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

you never wished to consider the current state of kibbutzim, as you never really showed what was your concept of the 1967 borders and, how it conflicts with current kibbutz.

I like your style. What I wish however is still unknown to you.
My concept of any and all border does in no way conflict with current kibbutzim, does that clarify my view to you?

These guys maybe :

Without matzot from the promised land, this guy would blow himself up or something, have you seen the peot on the kid? No way: when BDS becomes law everywhere, Zionism will be undeniably complete: no Jew on earth would allow their self to go without Israeli products, but I like the idea of BDS because it does ease the farming for foreign export part of kibbutznikim who then have more time for riding on the beach, since they're not paid anyway they will hardly regret any of it.

Evasive statement, as often.

Evasive also happens to have a meaning, which also happens to be out of context entirely, and it does happen more often than it should here, please: choose words calmly so their sense is efficient.

Hopefully, you are not in charge of forming my opinions.

That's a relief, I thought I might be indicted for that charlie hebdo bit you pulled off earlier if Haaretz.com is a legit news source.

Once again, denial of what ?

It's all right if you don't see it, don't worry.

originally posted by: wisvol

you never wished to consider the current state of kibbutzim, as you never really showed what was your concept of the 1967 borders and, how it conflicts with current kibbutz.

I like your style. What I wish however is still unknown to you.
My concept of any and all border does in no way conflict with current kibbutzim, does that clarify my view to you?

No it's getting clearer for me and any neutral observer reading theses lines.
So you have no consideration for the 1967 borders and consider that the current ongoing extension of the settlements is acceptable is that right ?
May I ask you three things :
Where can I find relevant population density statistics from Israel ?
In the name of what is the extension acceptable ?
Doesn't ISIS actions allows a destabilization of the middle-east in order to ease the emergence of a project of a greater Israel ?

originally posted by: wisvol

These guys maybe : Neturei Karta


Without matzot from the promised land, this guy would blow himself up or something, have you seen the peot on the kid? No way: when BDS becomes law everywhere, Zionism will be undeniably complete: no Jew on earth would allow their self to go without Israeli products, but I like the idea of BDS because it does ease the farming for foreign export part of kibbutznikim who then have more time for riding on the beach, since they're not paid anyway they will hardly regret any of it.

Do you really think a magical being will come down from the sky once the Knesset passes the Jewish state bill ?
Where is the messiah ?

originally posted by: wisvol

Hopefully, you are not in charge of forming my opinions.

That's a relief, I thought I might be indicted for that charlie hebdo bit you pulled off earlier if Haaretz.com is a legit news source.

Haaretz is 100% Kosher guarantee isn't it ?
So is Charlie as well now ...

a reply to: theultimatebelgianjoke

1967 borders put Palestinians under Egyptian and Jordanian occupation!
Aw forget it.
facts and reality have no effect on you anyway.