Physics of Ionising Radiation.

originally posted by: choos
a reply to: TerryDon79

i knew i should have paid attention in pseudoscience classes, maybe i would have known where to get some of that stuff myself.

I just heard you can make it yourself!!

Apparently all you need is an anti gravity machine that causes ionising radiation and time dilation, a mobile phone with a camera, 2 candles and a very slight breeze. I won't tell you how it works though. It's a sekrit

You forgot the bottle of water.

Nochzwei can you explain what happened to the bottle of water?

originally posted by: Kashai
a reply to: TerryDon79



You forgot the bottle of water.

I didn't forget. I just thought it was a given as all "scientists" do their work in their back yard and have bottles of water. No?

a reply to: TerryDon79


From the OP...

"It produces intense ionizing radiation in that it can kill animal lifeform within hours and ionize ordinary drinking water in a bottle."

I am curious what exactly happens when one Ionizes water?

originally posted by: Kashai
a reply to: TerryDon79


From the OP...

"It produces intense ionizing radiation in that it can kill animal lifeform within hours and ionize ordinary drinking water in a bottle."

I know. I was being sarcastic.

a reply to: Kashai

Well ionised water is water with ionised minerals in it. You can also buy deionised water.

Music break!!!

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originally posted by: Kashai
I am curious what exactly happens when one Ionizes water?

Actually the claim that ions might not be particularly good for your health may be the closest thing to a shred of truth in the entire OP. Just as the SharperImage sold Air ionizers that were supposed to be good for you but they were actually bad for you and they lost a huge lawsuit as a result, there are also water ionizers that similarly claim health benefits but the ions would be more likely to be bad for you than good for you, if the technology even did what it said, but I'm not aware of any controlled trials that proves that:

www.slate.com...

Ionizing water for health is even more difficult to comprehend, but here goes: The ionizer splits water into its component parts, hydrogen and oxygen. The idea is that cleaving emancipates enslaved atoms from water’s neutral charge (hydrogen is positive and oxygen is negative) and that this liberation is salutary. You’re suddenly full of electricity, and everything feels better! This view that more ions are welcome stands in direct opposition to the free radical theory of disease. There, the bad guy is—you guessed it—a rogue negative charge looking for some unsuspecting molecule to glom onto and destroy, making you age and get arthritis and gray hair and all the problems that ionization sets out to cure.

Water ionization and alkalinization is another fad without science to support it or even a particularly interesting group of nuts pitching it.

Speaking of a claim without science to support it, the OP's antigravity claim has been debunked, but he refuses to acknowledge the debunking and continues to make unsupported claims.

a reply to: Arbitrageur

The ionizer splits water into its component parts, hydrogen and oxygen.

That is not ionization. That is electrolysis. It produces oxygen (O2) and hydrogen (H2), in a 1:2 ratio. While, in the process, you do first get 4 free protons (hydrogen ions) and 4 free electrons (negative ions), free electrons don't tend to hang around too long and it quite quickly balances out to hydrogen gas and oxygen gas.

chemwiki.ucdavis.edu...

And yes, the notion that "ionized water" is good (or bad for you) is nonsense. As is the notion that ionization has anything to do with anti-gravity.

a reply to: Phage

But Phage -- you missed the posts by OP where he referenced a youtube video.. if that isn't enough to convince you that ionisation = anti-gravity, well... gee whiz.

a reply to: Phage
Right. Well it's no surprise that a scam like "water ionization" is abusing the word "ionization", which the WSJ puts in quotes presumably to infer that it's not really ionization exactly as you say, and then go on to say it's electrolysis as you pointed out:

www.wsj.com...

Companies are selling machines that put drinking water through an "ionization" process. According to the companies, the process, also called "electrolysis," is accomplished using negatively and positively charged electrodes.

I suppose one might read that and could get the impression that ionization and electrolysis are the same thing, but I agree with you, they are not.

I was going to call the ionized water claims a "pseudoscientific" scam, but I can't even call it that because I don't even see anything pretending to be science in that, nor the OP's ionization anti-gravity claims. This thread should probably be moved to the !HOAX forum.

The longer I read this thread the louder the theme tune to the Twilight Zone circulated my head.....sheesh...

a reply to: Arbitrageur

I agree.

Even though he's asking for the physics of ionising radiation, the physics he wants don't exist as his premise is wrong.

Lol you jokers are hell bent upon ridiculing the un debunkable like a bunch of retards.
once again the thread is about finding the physics for ionising radiation produced/obtained upon breaching the fabric of space and time.

originally posted by: Nochzwei
Lol you jokers are hell bent upon ridiculing the un debunkable like a bunch of retards.
once again the thread is about finding the physics for ionising radiation produced/obtained upon breaching the fabric of space and time.

Which doesn't exist outside of your (debunked) video.

Do you even science?

originally posted by: Nochzwei
Lol you jokers are hell bent upon ridiculing the un debunkable like a bunch of retards.
once again the thread is about finding the physics for ionising radiation produced/obtained upon breaching the fabric of space and time.

And you're missing the point. There's no such thing. There is no evidence of anything breaching the fabric of space and time and you're asking people to "find" something that hasn't even been observed.

At least with the usual requirements there is an observable phenomena which TO experiment and prove.

Essentially you're playing poker and trying to bluff but you don't even have any cards.

the only current way to break to break the fabric of time/space is hallucinagenic substances dude.

time is a measurement of movement, space is the place where the movement happens. you cant "break that" you canonly stop time locally @ complete zero kelvin. and space, well, you would have to collapse the universe i suppose.

a reply to: noonebutme

If the effect wasn't real, i wouldnt be breaking my head to find the physics for it

originally posted by: Nochzwei
a reply to: noonebutme

If the effect wasn't real, i wouldnt be breaking my head to find the physics for it

It's only real in your head.

There is nothing about the device in the video that proves anti gravity, ionising radiation or time dilation.

originally posted by: Nochzwei
a reply to: noonebutme

If the effect wasn't real, i wouldnt be breaking my head to find the physics for it

It's not real, anywhere except in your mind, yet here you are....