Why would anybody do this? Please...give me one good reason!

If my group wanted to find a thousand golden needles in a giant haystack without disturbing the haystack, how could I do it?

a reply to: queenofswords

No i would not.

Imagine for a moment, living in a world and an age where weapons of mass destruction are of the sort that are designed to specifically target certain genetic signatures, ethnic groups, blood types and so on.

Then stop imagining and start remembering we are now living not in the 'digital age' so much as we are living in the 'genetic age'...an age where the above weapons are not only feasible, but most probable.

Still wanna send off your genetic blueprint to strangers?

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: Annee
a reply to: schuyler

I have more fear of getting stung by a bee. (It's probably a robot bee stealing my blood for some mad scientist.)

Good point. Have you had a blood test for cholesterol or just a regular medical check-up? There goes your DNA!

I've been tested and stuck for just about everything from early childhood on. I'm a total gonner.

I wasn't well, but they couldn't figure out why.

a reply to: schuyler

It's one thing when your personal physician orders a standard blood test, but quite another when a private enterprise spends millions of dollars on television advertising asking you to voluntarily send in your DNA to them and they have to have a Privacy Disclosure several pages long. No, thank you.

I think they`re onto us, top of my page is a big old advert for Ancestry.com DNA test

originally posted by: fenian8
I think they`re onto us, top of my page is a big old advert for Ancestry.com DNA test

Uh oh! Their shill will be by any minute to soothe our worries and give us assurances that everything is on the up and up and sooooo many good things have come from this.

originally posted by: MysterX
Imagine for a moment, living in a world and an age where weapons of mass destruction are of the sort that are designed to specifically target certain genetic signatures, ethnic groups, blood types and so on.
[...]
Still wanna send off your genetic blueprint to strangers?

People seem to think that they are so important as individuals.

a reply to: queenofswords

It is a bit weird that a company with such a product is going around with commercials... The commercials are more expensive than the profit from the customers they will draw with it.

Can it be that they are searching for a certain specific DNA among the citizens... or is there some study going on about.... damaged DNA ..to name one.

I smell a tasty conspiracy..

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: schuyler

It's one thing when your personal physician orders a standard blood test, but quite another when a private enterprise spends millions of dollars on television advertising asking you to voluntarily send in your DNA to them and they have to have a Privacy Disclosure several pages long. No, thank you.

It's really not that big of a stretch. Your "personal physician" is faced with a myriad of rules and regulations you know nothing about, including disclosure laws that force him/her to, for example, disclose and report any STDs you might have. That your DNA might find its way out of his control, or the lab's control, would be breathtakingly easy to accomplish. And we have testimony right on this thread that in some case, it's mandated.

You leave your DNA scattered around every day, without question. If the government wanted to get your DNA, they easily could without your permission. If you're going to be paranoid, at least do a good job of it. 23&me is really too easy.

a reply to: queenofswords
Before the shill turns up I'll chuck this into the mix.

I wonder if they're collecting any data according to whether or not people agree to their information being shared?

You know, those with this or that DNA are likely to be more compliant, or more paranoid. One way to sort out the bolshie sods.

originally posted by: zatara
a reply to: queenofswords

It is a bit weird that a company with such a product is going around with commercials... The commercials are more expensive than the profit from the customers they will draw with it.

How do you know that? Do you have access to their profitability statements? Do you know precisely how much those ads cost? How about revenue? Do you know what their revenue is? Can you reference an SEC filing that supports your claims? Are they even a publicly traded company? (I don't know, myself.) How can you come to the conclusion that "the commercials are more expensive than the profit from the customers they draw with it." when you do not have any of the data that supports this?

originally posted by: Blue Shift

originally posted by: MysterX
Imagine for a moment, living in a world and an age where weapons of mass destruction are of the sort that are designed to specifically target certain genetic signatures, ethnic groups, blood types and so on.
[...]
Still wanna send off your genetic blueprint to strangers?

People seem to think that they are so important as individuals.

Not sure what you're saying but for the record, I didn't say i condone genetic weapons...only that i was pointing it out with regards to thread topic and sending off our collective DNA to strangers who may pass it on to individuals, corporations, maybe even foreign governments to do with as they wish.

You see this as me thinking myself as important?

I've learned a lot from my DNA raw Data. Stuff that will help my family to not need medicines in the future and what medicines we are intolerant to.

I think the benefit outweighs any negative. Now if you have or plan on killing someone or doing crimes, it is advisable not to have your DNA done. My grandchildren know their DNA is out there and they are aware that they should not commit crimes because of it. Just say NO. They can say they need to say know because their grandfather, who is of haplogroup NO, said to say no.

If someone wants to get paranoid, look at all the food chemistry put into our food and examine this chemistry for things it is not classified as. We are being doped, we are being steered to look in the wrong direction. Even food colorings have properties that are way more psychotropic than the food coloring class would tell us.

What I have learned from my genetics is that lots of people are intolerant to things they use on our foods and in our soaps and they are either calming, mildly poisoning, or messing up people's ability to see what is happening.

Being adopted, husband has no idea what his actual genetic legacy is, so this is very tempting for him. And considering the NLRB or similar alphabet was considering a regulation that was going to make it mandatory that business prove there was no other, more or equally qualified female or minority candidate for promotion or hire not too long ago ... it could also be important we prove that he is the 1/8th Native American his adoption papers say he is.

For obvious reasons, it could be important for our son, too.

Said regulation wasn't implemented as far as I know, but if this is the way the hiring climate is swinging ...

a reply to: schuyler

You leave your DNA scattered around every day, without question. If the government wanted to get your DNA, they easily could without your permission. If you're going to be paranoid, at least do a good job of it. 23&me is really too easy.

You're missing the point. Of course, you leave your DNA around everywhere. How messy it would be to have tens of thousands of "secret" workers going around gathering it. Impossible.

I'll ask this question again: If you were looking for 1000 golden needles in a haystack, how could you find them without disturbing the haystack?

to those who are super scared by the thought of this, have you ever been to the doctor and had your blood drawn?

Did they offer you a guarantee as to who would use the information gained by that blood test? Did they tell you your sample would be destroyed and never cataloged?

This isn't to increase paranoia, but to make you aware that you are a few days late to the party. They swept up all the pizza boxes yesterday.

I don't care where I came from, knowing would not make my life any different than what it is now, I really would like to know where I'm going though!

There is no tangible proof of 'life' after death, either way.

originally posted by: network dude
to those who are super scared by the thought of this, have you ever been to the doctor and had your blood drawn?

Did they offer you a guarantee as to who would use the information gained by that blood test? Did they tell you your sample would be destroyed and never cataloged?

This isn't to increase paranoia, but to make you aware that you are a few days late to the party. They swept up all the pizza boxes yesterday.

I'm not worried about my doctor nor my lab. (See answer 4th post from top of this page.)

I, however, would never send off my DNA to a commercial private enterprise that is spending millions of dollars on TV advertising with cute commercials begging for me to send in my DNA. Nope. Not in a million years.

a reply to: network dude

If they want me...they've got me. I've had my DNA taken many times...the armed forces being one example.

So no, i'm not super scared or even mildly scared..i'm middle aged and will die in the next few decades or so anyway.

Just adding to the discussion doesn't mean people are scared does it?

originally posted by: schuyler

originally posted by: 123143
a reply to: schuyler

It would make more sense to tattoo everyone with ink visible under ultraviolet. I don't know what the identifying mark would be - SSN, some other national ID number.

I don't want a damn implant. The body naturally resists such things.

That would be a single number system tied to a database where the actual information would be kept whereas an implant would carry many different data elements from your driver's license to your credit cards--even your concealed carry permit--locally, an analog of your wallet today. Implant rejection is a minor issue. I doubt if you, personally, will have to deal with one, but it's coming anyway. :-)

All you need is one number which accesses a comprehensive database record.