Police Officer talks about his experience at Trump's rally in Tucson: AWESOME!

a reply to: spiritualzombie

People illegally download sh't is NOT the same as Illegal Humans entering a Country Zombie. Get it Strait.

You're probably to young to remember what VHS tapes are or Cassette tapes, people were copying them way back when and the Gov't made a stink about that too, it didn't stick.

Control over people who buy things LEGALLY and share them is Not the same as Illegal Humans sneaking into America with the intent on Not supporting the System but rather allowing Ordinary Tax Payers to foot the bill for them, for X amount of time.

a reply to: awareness10

Oh I was around plenty for vhs and cassettes. I have seen plenty vhs tapes copied from a rental with that fbi warning at the front.

Its actually very similar. People downloading illegally, so many, and yet were is the call to bring the hammer of justice down on every person? Billions of dollars worth of music and movies illegally downloaded by people with no intention to buy...illegal copying given to friends or family, with no intentions to buy... So much money. These are criminals. And repeat offenders. Imagine hundreds of thousands or easily millions of dollars in fines given to anyone who copied a beta, vhs, cassette, mp3, dvd, or ebook. It could destroy families. The problem is too big. So there is a path to legalization via iTunes and Google Play. As well as new ways to make legal downloading easier. Legalization and easier access.

We don't have to choose the method that hurts families the most.

a reply to: awareness10

People illegally download sh't is NOT the same as Illegal Humans entering a Country Zombie.

Well, entering the US illegally is a misdemeanor and so are illegal downloads. So, yes, they are pretty much the same. Under the law. More or less.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

What about the families that pay taxes and play by the rules? No compassion for them, I see.

originally posted by: Phage
Well, entering the US illegally is a misdemeanor and so are illegal downloads. So, yes, they are pretty much the same. Under the law. More or less.

Sure, if you disregard the collateral damage from the two offences. Collateral damage from an illegal download is a joke compared to the cost of an illegal immigrant family that sends money out of the country, pays little to no taxes, statistically is more likely to commit crime, cannot afford healthcare and thus relies on hospital free ER policy, and whose children will attend public school, all free of charge. Sure, other than that, it's pretty much the same. Lol.

a reply to: Phage

I'm sorry Phage i just don't agree, one hurts no one but the Millionaire Businesses, the other Hurts Ordinary Tax Paying Americans. Big Diff.

a reply to: spiritualzombie

You want to go after two bit 'criminals' as apposed to Actual Criminals who really damage ordinary people.

You Rock!

originally posted by: Guidance.Is.Internal
a reply to: spiritualzombie

How about this as an alternative? Stop offering social services to illegals, including education. The ones who can foot the bill for their own behavior will stay, and the ones who can't pay their way will leave. Self deportation. Or is that too Draconian? I suppose it's less Draconian to expect people you've never met to cover the illegal's tab.

Exactly right. Welfare is one of the major causes of problems in the world. It redistributes money (govt racketeering) from the middle class to an ever growing dependent class and attracts immigrants to the most lucrative dependent class available... this perpetuates the need for a growing govt to take care of people and destroys cultures in the name of diversity. Of course that same govt gains more power to apply any law they want as the voting population becomes more and more dependent and has a vested interest in ensuring the free money keeps coming their way.

Meanwhile the rich find ways of not paying taxes so the middle class get squeezed from both ends.

There should be no welfare at all.

a reply to: UKTruth

I don't depend on it, however i disagree on this. I think People need to help each other.There are ignoramus dinks who live tax free and consequently live on welfare permanently, The Royals the Gov't etc. What did they ever do to deserve tax payer money, they did nothing to deserve it. People need to help each other, but it seems like only the Ultra Rich are making Money off the Backs of Tax Payers like Us in order keep control of Humanity. They don't deserve squat. They are thieves, they are liars and they only care about their own.

And ... the biggest Welfare # heads on the planet arent the tax payers, but those 'running' the operation aka Gov'.

originally posted by: awareness10
a reply to: UKTruth

I don't depend on it, however i disagree on this. I think People need to help each other.There are ignoramus dinks who live tax free and consequently live on welfare permanently, The Royals the Gov't etc. What did they ever do to deserve tax payer money, they did nothing to deserve it. People need to help each other, but it seems like only the Ultra Rich are making Money off the Backs of Tax Payers like Us in order keep control of Humanity. They don't deserve squat. They are thieves, they are liars and they only care about their own.

And ... the biggest Welfare # heads on the planet arent the tax payers, but those 'running' the operation aka Gov'.

I agree people need to help each other, I disagree that the govt needs to centralize collection, control and distribution of that help.
Local communities and families have, can and would do a better job of ensuring that people got the help they needed and would make far better choices on who really needed help.

Call me old fashioned but I still believe that people are inherently caring and generous creatures and would not allow family, friends and even strangers to starve or die around them. If anything welfare actually creates resentment and stifles this human trait.

a reply to: UKTruth

I agree no honorable family would allow their own to starve, but it's happening and all because of the bigots running the planet, and almost every country in the world.

This planet is supposed to be free for every human being to enjoy prosper and grow, yet, they're pushing climate change, which is based on horse sh't, so they can steal more money from the People.

I recognise it all, and have for years. But the longer this crap continues, the less inclined i am to believe People in the West will actually wake up and smell the horse sh't.

We're all being played, and the players are the biggest welfare frauds on the planet. They do nothing and take everything.

I think it's time for the people to get a little pay back don't you?

originally posted by: awareness10
a reply to: UKTruth

I agree no honorable family would allow their own to starve, but it's happening and all because of the bigots running the planet, and almost every country in the world.

This planet is supposed to be free for every human being to enjoy prosper and grow, yet, they're pushing climate change, which is based on horse sh't, so they can steal more money from the People.

I recognise it all, and have for years. But the longer this crap continues, the less inclined i am to believe People in the West will actually wake up and smell the horse sh't.

We're all being played, and the players are the biggest welfare frauds on the planet. They do nothing and take everything.

I think it's time for the people to get a little pay back don't you?

I do indeed think it's time to take back control.
Govt should be there in the lowest capacity possible.

Remember that welfare is not an age old part of society. Its only been around for what, 50 years? There is probably more poverty and suffering now than there ever was. A dependent class is never healthy for society. As human beings it is our responsibility to survive and prosper, not act like pets to a govt.

a reply to: awareness10

I think People need to help each other.

Direct help can work when the helpers are feeling good about it. Mandatory help is going to be way less effective and becomes slavery.

When each person does everything of a mandatory nature specifically for his own good the quality of the effort is higher. That higher quality in action means more stuff made or more chores done for a given amount of resources and time. By the law of supply and demand, when more gets done its cost is cheaper per unit. So each person doing for himself makes all human produced stuff cheaper for everybody.

Helping is natural when the helper feels good about it and has the extra that is required to do it.

Putting helping first is a trap. Like shopping for a cart before you have a good horse.

originally posted by: awareness10
a reply to: spiritualzombie

You want to go after two bit 'criminals' as apposed to Actual Criminals who really damage ordinary people.

You Rock!

No, awareness, I don't want to cripple families financially for illegal downloads, and I don't want to destroy families for coming here illegally.

I believe we don't have to use the harshest punishment possible to fix the problem.

Apparently your definition of actual criminals is based on which criminals you sympathize with and which you do not.

And thank you

And please understand, I am only trying to offer a different perspective. I'm not arguing for arguments sake. If you feel yourself seeing the truth and reason in what I'm saying, I would urge you not to fight it in gut reaction, but let that thought grow and think about it.

originally posted by: Guidance.Is.Internal
a reply to: spiritualzombie

What about the families that pay taxes and play by the rules? No compassion for them, I see.

What about the people who buy music and movies and ebooks legally? shouldn't we slam every man, woman, and child with hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions even in fines - destroy millions of families all over the country, so the people who buy music legally can feel good?

But really, what are you asking? What about the people who operate legally? How about, good job, continue being the shinig examples we need to encourage more legal activity. How's that?

What's encouraging so many of these protests is the angry harshest solutions to all our problems. Torture, killing families, ban muslim travel, round up and deport illegals--- every solution is the most middle finger solution to the problem. It comes from frustration and anger, not reason.

It's so much anger driving this.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: Guidance.Is.Internal
a reply to: spiritualzombie

What about the families that pay taxes and play by the rules? No compassion for them, I see.

What about the people who buy music and movies and ebooks legally? shouldn't we slam every man, woman, and child with hundreds of thousands of dollars or millions even in fines - destroy millions of families all over the country, so the people who buy music legally can feel good?

But really, what are you asking? What about the people who operate legally? How about, good job, continue being the shinig examples we need to encourage more legal activity. How's that?

What's encouraging so many of these protests is the angry harshest solutions to all our problems. Torture, killing families, ban muslim travel, round up and deport illegals--- every solution is the most middle finger solution to the problem. It comes from frustration and anger, not reason.

It's so much anger driving this.

It's hard to have a good discussion if the facts remain clouded and both sides of the debate are entrenched in lies or deception.

You cant use "torture , killing families, ban muslim travel, round up and deport illegals" as a basis for a debate because no one is advocating those things. Please at least try and add context and make it less emotional. The anger is more apparent in your reaction as opposed to what has been said.

Torture = torture of terrorists.
Killing families = collateral damage and threatening to kill families of terrorists.
Ban Muslim travel = temporarily ban non US citizen muslims until screening is sufficient.
Round up and deport illegals = deport illegals and allow the right people back in. Logistically we don't yet know exactly what this entails. Might be deport as in leave and then come back, or report somewhere to be processed... we'll have to wait and see.

The point is you are starting your argument from 10/10 on a scale of extremes with 10 being the worst and that is just not the reality of what has been said.

a reply to: UKTruth

10/10 on a scale of extremes is what gets Donald the loudest applause.

All of those positions you listed are the extreme view. If he doesn't mean extremes, then he shouldn't go for the extreme rhetoric and the thunderous applause.

He has implied support for war crimes, and interest in changing laws to make war crimes legal.

But, if we insist on legalizing illegal torture and murder--- what's the big deal legalizing illegal immigrants? I mean, if we're okay legalizing something that actually kills innocent people. Why the hard stance of illegal immigrants? Let's just change those laws too.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: UKTruth

10/10 on a scale of extremes is what gets Donald the loudest applause.

All of those positions you listed are the extreme view. If he doesn't mean extremes, then he shouldn't go for the extreme rhetoric and the thunderous applause.

He has implied support for war crimes, and interest in changing laws to make war crimes legal.

But, if we insist on legalizing illegal torture and murder--- what's the big deal legalizing illegal immigrants? I mean, if we're okay legalizing something that actually kills innocent people. Why the hard stance of illegal immigrants? Let's just change those laws too.

There is nothing much more to say to you then - you are unable to actually discuss what has been said.

originally posted by: UKTruth
There is nothing much more to say to you then - you are unable to actually discuss what has been said.

An you seem unable to accept the words that have come out of Trump's mouth. Instead always referring to the things he says as "out of context".

Your position is it's okay to break some laws which will hurt innocent families, and use the harshest punishment possible for other laws, which will hurt families whose greatest crime was illegally crossing a border to seek a better life.

We are okay legalizing illegal downloads which hurts individual arts and steals millions if not billions of dollars from studios and record labels. We can recognize that problem is so huge that a path to legalization and easier access to legal content is needed. But we can't even CONSIDER a path to legalization for families, no matter how long they have been here, and no matter how peaceful and productive they are.

That's your view. Sounds draconian and honestly perfectly fits the avatar image of the soulless killer robot you identify with.

I just think we can deal with issues with more humanity.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

originally posted by: UKTruth
There is nothing much more to say to you then - you are unable to actually discuss what has been said.

An you seem unable to accept the words that have come out of Trump's mouth. Instead always referring to the things he says as "out of context".

Your position is it's okay to break some laws which will hurt innocent families, and use the harshest punishment possible for other laws, which will hurt families whose greatest crime was illegally crossing a border to seek a better life.

We are okay legalizing illegal downloads which hurts individual arts and steals millions if not billions of dollars from studios and record labels. We can recognize that problem is so huge that a path to legalization and easier access to legal content is needed. But we can't even CONSIDER a path to legalization for families, no matter how long they have been here, and no matter how peaceful and productive they are.

That's your view. Sounds draconian and honestly perfectly fits the avatar image of the soulless killer robot you identify with.

I just think we can deal with issues with more humanity.

If you can articulate what is wrong with the clear summary of what Trump has actually said that I posted above, then feel free to do so. I am not the one skewing words here.