The Anti Establishment movement in moving towards this election cycle

I put this in the political issues because i thought it was best so if a mod feels a better forum is more suited so be it. This is an opinion piece so there are no links for you to click on, this is just my reasoning of how i have analyzed this election cycle and how i believe we have come to be here.

It's been my observation this political year that, and correct me if I'm wrong, but for the most part Bernie Sanders supporters are pretty much anti current establishment. Meaning they would like to see how things are run now run differently with their candidate of choice being the man at the top. Now politics aside, because I'm a lot of things but a Sanders supporter i am not, i would agree that the current establishment needs to go.

On both sides, Establishment Republicans are just as bad if not worse IMHO then the Democrats. Now regardless of how you feel about the tea-party people, they were born out of the anti establishment crowd on the Republican side because they did not agree with how Bush was doing things, mainly the bailouts towards the end of his term. Many people started to stand up in the Republican party base against those in power, namely John Boner in the House and McDip# over in the senate. We did not like John McCain and did not care for him as a candidate. Same can be said for Romney. We all saw those two people as the establishment, but that's all they would give us. The Republicans have herded this party the direction they have wanted for years and people can only take so much before they start saying NO.

I can't really speak much for the dems because i do not agree with their policies or really much of anything from their side of the isle. But i bring them up here because this is where the people of the conservative side really started to move away from the Republican establishment. And i speak now of Obamacare. Love it or hate it, that thing was rammed down our throats at breakneck speed without knowing the full extent of it and this all happened before the dems lost a bunch of seats and the Republicans took over.

So now the republicans have power and finally a chance to overturn the train wreck that we believe will become of the ACA. But they didn't do that. In fact they drug their feet and stalled and procrastinated, causing more angst within the conservatives. So much so that Boner was kicked out of the speakership, then that quietly got tossed aside and they all said 'oh Johnny boy ok you can stay because we just can't agree on # except we don't like you but here's your gavel back.'

They even tried to cut off some of the funding for the enforcement of the ACA but i believe that went no where also. So the way we saw things, they were not listening to us. Not even a little bit. So we became disenfranchised. Not only with the Republicans but also with Democrats who in our eyes were both working towards the same ends. I believe the same can be said for Sanders supporters only under different ideologies. We both saw how both parties did not listen to us anymore, so we both sought other options.

Enter the current election. Ben Carson, he's black, he's smart; with the exception of a few dumbass statements pointed out so 'clearly' here in various threads. And i really liked the guy. Cruz, did not trust him. he did multiple backdoor deals with the dems and even though we was elected as a tea party favorite, he became just as bad as Boner and McDip#. Rubio, no I'm sorry way to establishment for me. The other jerk offs don't even deserve to be mentioned. Now we move to Trump.

Trump. From our eyes, he's a business man, outlined a great plan to overhaul the ACA and mentioned some very canidateorial and most likely impossible ways to handle immigration. Immigration: A Nation can not remain a Nation if it does not control who becomes part of the system. No matter how you spin it, there needs to be a way to vouch for the millions of people crossing the boarder illegally and to keep out the undesirables. Most people who support Trump believes he can do this, we just don't know how yet, regardless of how he said he would do this, we believe he would and can return us back to a nation of laws.

Now this longwindedness brings me to my final point. I personally believe Sanders Supporters are against how their party has treated them in the past, just as much so as the people who support Trump are angry at how the establishment Republicans have treated them in the past. And what do they give us in return? Sanders gets cheated by super-delegates right out of the box and has sense been quickly losing steam. The Republicans attempted to do the same thing to Trump by attacking him in the first Fox debate. But it backfired because Ms. Kelly was made it painfully obvious to us someone wanted her to do those things and you see this by how she acted with the rest of the ppl on stage. That's what we think anyway. And because of that, his poll numbers skyrocketed. Since then he has won primary after primary and blowing everything out of the water. Something Sanders was not able to accomplish against Clinton but not without trying, I'll give him that. My main point is and bare with me it'll end quickly i promise.

My main point is this, no matter what side of the political isle you are on, there is a war going in politics right this very minute. A war that has been brewing since Bush was in office. It is my opinion that Clinton along with the establishment Republicans are trying to use the pissed off Sanders supporters in a move to stifle a candidate they do not want running because it does not fit either of their agendas. All of this hatred and violence does is prevent Trump, or any candidate for that matter from telling the voting public what they wish to do if elected. No matter what side of the isle you are on, even if you do not agree with it, you must allow the opposition to have a voice. To not allow that is nothing short of tyranny! Clinton is a horrible person who has done many wrongs in her past, many of which is voiced out right here on this website. George Soros, another person who is well pointed out as another loser behind many shady dealings during this election cycle.

Trump.

Love him or hate him, personally i don't claim to know he'll do everything i care about and doubt he'll handle it the way would like them to see handled. But I'll tell ya this, i know damn well Clinton won't. Neither will Cruz or anyone else on the republican side with the exception of Carson, i still like him. so please keep in mind what you are seeing this time around, is a war from the establishment against anyone who doesn't play ball and that means Trump and Sanders.

Thank you for reading. I'm at work and bored and have been thinking about this for some time. Figured I'd finally put it words.

a reply to: roaland
Obviously you've spent a lot of time dwelling on the current campaigns, and the powers behind the scene attempting to write the script. You're not alone, as those that in the past who've voted "the less of 2 evils" have reached a breaking point, and won't kneel to the establishment's wishes. The money and power that shape the elections are in a frenzy over Trump being the uncontrollable wildcard who flips the bird to stale processes that give us Clinton or Cruz as a choice, and more voters every day are yelling "bullspit!" to the former. We have had enough.

a reply to: roaland

I'm glad I took time to read that. Very well said. People are awake and listening and you sound like one of those people. Thanks for sharing your thoughts and opinions.

I believe you are right in that we are witnessing a battle between an established political cabal of politicians and The American People.

You mentioned George Soros. He is a disrupter. He almost single-handedly brought the UK down with his money manipulation scheme. He wants open borders and chaos that destroys the rule of law to the point HE and his cronies can step into the real power control by the globalist elite. They have their cabal nice and tight and in place, and someone like Donald Trump threatens to expose it.

The DNA of an American free-spirit doesn't like being controlled like that. The disrupters are working overtime to WHIP THAT SPIRIT out of us. To do that, they have to chip away or outright plow down our Constitutional rights, create chaos, abandon the rule of law, and force someone down our throats.

a reply to: Boscowashisnamo

And i realize some believe Trump is the establishment but i do not believe this is so. The establishment has put way to many people candidates up over the years that have brought us down a totally wrong path.

Trump is the ultimate anti-establishment candidate. Considering the varied and diverse groups---from every side of the political spectrum-- bought, paid for, and allied against him, there can be zero doubt of his outsider status.

The guy isn't ideal, he is divisive as hell, at least in tone. I would concede that much.

Still, I'm a supporter. Because while he isn't the candidate we all may want, he is damned sure the candidate we all need.

He can win this....and his millions of (clueless) detractors will just have to deal with it.

originally posted by: roaland
a reply to: Boscowashisnamo

And i realize some believe Trump is the establishment but i do not believe this is so. The establishment has put way to many people candidates up over the years that have brought us down a totally wrong path.

When so many perceive Trump as a political outsider, and a third of exit pollers state emphatically they would vote 3rd party if faced with a Cruz vs Clinton election, the people's voice is loud and clear. Things will devolve into chaos if the GOP convention is contested, with backroom deals result in Cruz getting the nod. I'm sure HRC is sitting back, chuckling at the happenings at Trump rallies, all the while a cloud of FBI investigation looms over her head.

Bottom line: we've got a pandering opportunist under federal investigation, a self-avowed socialist, and the neocon favorite all wallowing in the jetsam of the "outsiders" campaign. No wonder so many are considering a third party option.

if trump was anti establishment in any way, he would run as an independent and have no ties with an established party.
the hypocrisy in calling a republican candidate anti establishment is baffling.

a reply to: stinkelbaum

if running 3rd party was easy everybody would do it. But trying to get a 3rd party candidate on a ballot is not easy. Which has been a way for them to limit the amount of ppl who do it in an attempt to keep the 2 party system in place.

The 60's hippy counter culture has got todays generation beat by a mile. You want to protest the establishment?

Study that...

a reply to: intrptr

and back then, most 'hippies' were Stoned out of their Keesters.

a reply to: awareness10

Nice job of stereo typing those involved in the 60's peace movement.

But then the establishment not only condones stereo typing their enemies, but encourages it in the press.


Dirty occupiers crapping in their camps.

Bundy and company crapping all over their camp.

Are the similarities just a coincidence, or a strategy to cause distaste of protesters?

originally posted by: awareness10
a reply to: intrptr

and back then, most 'hippies' were Stoned out of their Keesters.

They where so stoned they forced the american government to stop the vietnam war and bring back there brothers and sisters.

Cant wait to see what trump lovers will change lol.

This is my perspective on American politics over the last 50 years. This the length of time since that I have been voting and watching politics. My family was and is self-employed (farmers) and generally voting for who represented our best interest not Republican or Democrat.

My grandparent both were well educated and worked outside the farm to insure its' success. My grandmother taught history at the local college and my grandfather was a Veterinarian. This made for a great conversation at the dinner table every evening. Their views were the source for some lively debates that would last for weeks.

I was young but I remember their conversation/ argument/ fight over McCarthyism. Normally, there was little yelling but in this case there was enough to scare me as a young child. Surprisingly, the both agreed to the methods that McCarthy used was ugly and hateful. Oddly enough, the both came to the same conclusions about it for very different reasons.

My grandmother saw the beginnings of new educators generally leaning to the socialist/ communist idealism. Her major concern was college was a place for education not indoctrination. She complained that students were eventually going to be unable to think for themselves. The new educators were close minded and unwilling to heed constructive suggestions by tenured professors. She said they kept to themselves and would not socialize with the other professors. This seemed to bother her the most.

My grandfather was a thoughtful man who evaluated things before commenting on anything. His argument was there was not enough effort to remove the communist from government after the Roosevelt Administration. It was his contention that the Roosevelt work programs and social welfare programs would lead to people not supporting themselves. He said, when people discover that they could be supported by the government we will be communist/socialist in time. This is where my grandmother disagreed very loudly. She couldn't believe his conclusion. He said, once the communists were discovered in government that they would hide under a different name but continue their commitment.

Today we have Democrats who now call themselves Progressives and Republicans described as RINOs. Both parties have stopped serving "WE THE PEOPLE" only to institute policies that only drag the American people down. They do this to serve their corporate masters and bizarre radical anti-American ideologies.

We have primaries where "outsiders" are the most popular and lead the polls. The Republican party is having a hissy fit over not being in control. They are using subterfuge on their own people and the Democrats are just watching with a smile on their faces. What are they so afraid of? Isn't this so anti-American. Illegal immigrant and anarchists are protesting Donald Trump for wanting to return to enforcing our laws already on the books. Has our country declined to this level of disruptive behavior? The elections of 1968 was difficult but this one is historic.

a reply to: queenofswords

and using the anger of another candidates followers to silence any form of actual campaigning to get their views out is a common tactic used by other tyrannies over the years well into history. The more we fight among ourselves to stifle getting the candidates message, the more our American Democracy dies just a little bit more.

Who was it who said, "I may not agree with what you say but I'll fight to the death for your right to say it" Off the top of my head Tomas Payne i believe, but regardless, that phrase is definitely fitting i would say.

a reply to: AlaskanDad

Did i hit a nerve?

and the reason i even mentioned this which was to intrptr not you specifically, was because back then Protesters were far more peaceful than they are being right now at Trumps Rallies.

Sure there were scuffles and people being fired on by Police back in the 60's However, they were doing it for a Completely Different Reason. Protesting sending People off to WAR to Kill innocent People is standing up against Big Establishment.

People ignorantly attacking People at Trumps Rallies are Infringing the Rights of People they disagree with the Peacefully Assemble together. Now a days they're not Fighting against Big Establishment, but For it, Big Diff. Maybe you shouldn't leap before you look first.

a reply to: buddah6

that was awesome to read thank you! And i would say i would agree with both your grandparents. The Libs flooded the school system with their types over the years to attempt to get to the younger people to their side hoping they would stay loyal once they get older. And some amount of social services and helping hands are needed in this country and i don't think any reasonable person would ever say no to any social programs what so ever. BUT people these days are supporting themselves on systems like that. Not all but some are and they are abusing the system while the rest of us suffer for it. There has to be a limitation on it to ensure that abuse is kept to a manageable level and so far most of these politicians only want to keep expanding the govt bureaucracy because they realized long ago that they can stay in power the more 'free stuff' they promise to give away. When ultimately "We the People" pay for every bit of it and probably 10Xs over.

a reply to: buddah6

How blessed you are/were to have grandparents like that! The Wisdom they gave you is a treasure.

And, aren't they right!

Your grandmother nailed it:

My grandmother saw the beginnings of new educators generally leaning to the socialist/ communist idealism. Her major concern was college was a place for education not indoctrination. She complained that students were eventually going to be unable to think for themselves. The new educators were close minded and unwilling to heed constructive suggestions by tenured professors. She said they kept to themselves and would not socialize with the other professors. This seemed to bother her the most.

Your grandfather nailed it:

It was his contention that the Roosevelt work programs and social welfare programs would lead to people not supporting themselves. He said, when people discover that they could be supported by the government we will be communist/socialist in time.

And this is what I think Americans are fighting. This is not in our DNA and so many are rising up to keep that wolf at bay. We have the Constitution and the Bill of Rights as our weapons, but little by little we are watching them be attacked and eroded.

With Justice Scalia's death, I am afraid the cabal is in full swing before the next American election is complete.

a reply to: queenofswords

this conversation right here, this thread, i know i quoted here queen but I'm talking about the whole conversation. Civility needs to take precedence over political ideology. These things can be hashed out in a civil manner. All sides need to be heard here so we can find some way to get past this mess we find ourselves in as a Nation. The Founding Fathers didn't all agree on how to direct a Nation, but had some pretty damn good ideals and we as a country have gotten so far away from the basis for their ideals its hard to get back on track.

People can have a heated debate over political ideologies and still accomplish something at the end of the day. We need to get back to that....

originally posted by: roaland
a reply to: queenofswords

this conversation right here, this thread, i know i quoted here queen but I'm talking about the whole conversation. Civility needs to take precedence over political ideology. These things can be hashed out in a civil manner. All sides need to be heard here so we can find some way to get past this mess we find ourselves in as a Nation. The Founding Fathers didn't all agree on how to direct a Nation, but had some pretty damn good ideals and we as a country have gotten so far away from the basis for their ideals its hard to get back on track.

People can have a heated debate over political ideologies and still accomplish something at the end of the day. We need to get back to that....

I agree. But, outside influences on a global scale are interfering and influencing pockets of easily manipulated segments of the population. These people don't want a civil debate and it makes it difficult to accomplish anything close to a productive resolution.

a reply to: queenofswords

i agree! Which is why, yes even though i said these things so far, that I'm glad this is all happening. The people in power wish to hold onto it, when they start to lose it they are going to start grasping at straws to keep it. But what they've shown us so far in their attempt to do just that is the people are realizing whats going on. Slowly but surely a few people see. The more they push back at us, the more 'we the people' begin to see the truth of the matter.