7 Facts About Drugs That Will Make You Question Everything You Know

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Legalize them all ! reverse our prison populations! Rehabilitative sentencing aka light sentencing for lesser crimes and harsher sentencing for heinous non rehabilitative crimes (child rape/ heinous murders) that's where I stand!

TechniXcality and Krazysh0t in strong agreement/S&F'ing each other??

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originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
a reply to: BeefNoMeat

You're out of your league on this one.

No, your out of your league on this one... Alcohol is also extremely addictive, people die from withdrawing from it! Doesn't mean the majority of people who try it get addicted.

Spend some time reading the National Drug Abuse Survey I linked and then comment.

What, you mean the link you provided to drugabuse.org? One of the most blatant pro prohibition propaganda websites on the internet!

There soul purpose is to provide information that supports the war on drugs... they do nothing to promote harm minimization policies and are simply funded to justify locking up non-violent people who haven't harmed or stolen anything from anyone.

They do nothing but harm society and are the lowest of low, somewhere just above rapists and murders!

t was done in collaboration with NIH and RTI International (hint: I was an economist working on the survey).

So you've been involved in surveying a few hardcore addicts and now ignorantly think you know the whole story... but truth be told, you wouldn't have the first clue of what goes on in the real world! We're talking about illegal substances here, which no one would usually ever talk about openly unless they are absolutely rock bottom and have nothing left to lose.

You've just simply witnessed the worst of the worst and have ignorantly concluded you have the whole story.

Again, you're out of your league on this one. My sole argument was about heroin, meth, and crack. Where alcohol got thrown in, I have no idea. The link is here once again: www.samhsa.gov...

The argument put forth in "Fact One" was that only 10-15% of those who try heroin, crack, or meth become addicts. That's just wrong. I know it's wrong. Beyond a shadow of a doubt. Take some time to read the National Drug Abuse Survey I linked.

I've never intimidated, suggested, implied, or anything of the sort that I was pushing a prohibition stance. The only thing I pointed out was "Fact One" isn't a fact. It's not even close to a fact. I've provided multiple links of peer-reviewed studies/surveys on drug addiction prevalence. It's there if you care to educate yourself. You, on the hand, have provided zero in the way of science; anecdotes on alcohol withdrawal has absolutely nothing to do with "Fact One" being taken out of context from the original author's article. Go read it.


ETA: We control for those responses you seem to think people are afraid to admit to (i.e. what drugs are used and what is the frequency, etc.) but your ignorance of science and social science surveys is laughable. Believe it or not, people do tell the truth about their drug usage and after 25 years of receiving this survey contract we've learned to construct a survey that gives us, as best as humanly possible (some econometrics is involved but the survey designers are very good after 25 years of experience), a VERY accurate picture of nationwide drug abuse/misuse. Your ignorance belies your glittering intelligence.

originally posted by: primus2012
a reply to: Sremmos80
These threads are exactly about legalizing drugs (or should we just cut the BS and say pot) so as to get high without the threat of a jail cell or the social rejection.

It's not about getting high, it's about growing up as a society and adopting effective harm minimization & evidence based policies for drug use... Rather than just doing what we've done for the last 70 years, by locking people up and waging war on citizens.

That vindictive mentality of just locking people up to set an example, has been proven to be a flawed brutal method to increasing public health and has actually done nothing but made the problem far worse, then when they started.

The 'war on drugs' is the most disgraceful, ineffective and harmful government policy in modern day history.

Watch this documentary on how inhumane and destructive the 'war on drugs' has been on society... no flesh and blood human could watch this and not be ashamed about how the government deals with drug issue.

a reply to: primus2012

What does anyone have to be honest and admit about?

Something that you profess to be true and this everyone else must then abide by your personal subjective perception of truth and someone this entire thread is about something that wasn't even mentioned - until you brought it up, claiming it to be the true intentions of this thread?

I can't speak for every member, but I for one don't drink/smoke but I vehemently stand by the rights of others to do with their body, with their resources, on their own time, whatever the Hell they please. Something called the Non-Aggression principle, it's not a "line of crap or BS," as you suggest it is all so simple.

Be honest, you're post was full of crass and baseless over-generalizations that hardly had anything to do with the topic.

Don't be a dope.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Everything you say here is true. There is one, I find possibly not correct.

that

Fact One: 85 percent to 90 percent of people who use even heroin, (are not addicted)

There have been too many deaths in too many places across all races and income levels. In the last few years. It is known, that this is mainly caused by 1) Suddenly cutting people off form pain medication. 2) Dealers cutting heroin with fentanyl or other substances.

I would say that they would not have become addicted to heroin had the crackdown on pills not occurred. But, In the last year, I have come to know too many people that have become addicted and 2 have now died. These are people I have met or known in real life. I do not hang around with a 'drug crowd'. This partially proves that the war on drugs does not work but also tells me that particular statistic is not correct. There are many addicted but they just do not tell anyone else. When they die, it appears to be a one time accident. people close to them just did not know they were addicted, they do not say it. They do not even say they used it, due to the stigma.



If we had more 'safe places', needle exchanges, overdose drugs like narcan freely available- to be in anyone's first aid kit cheaply and followed logical ountries, as you say, though, more lives would be saved.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Your facts are based on studies...
These studies are solely dependent on drug users words...
Fact must be something irrefutable, not based on the studies...

Meth is addictive... 90% of users don't get addicted? Sounds far fetch...

Although I do agree the drugs war is not real. The DEA is most definitely profiting from it.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Star. Other than two "facts" it all seems likely enough. Someone already refuted the no deaths in Switzerland. I call BS on "fact" #1. I've seen too much of the drug culture to buy that hog. Still, the sentiment of your post is something we should all agree on. The war on drugs seems to be set up to perpetuate itself. We don't need a nanny state to save us from ourselves anyway. Whether we screw ourselves or not it's our business.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

So if we legalize, kids will somehow not be able to get a hold of it, or it won't be abused and sold on the streets..those age limits work with tobacco/alcohol, and laws against prescription drug abuse keep it from happening right? No, not really...I am all for legalization of some things, but we can't pretend there won't be any problems.

I agree!

My ex is from Portugal and has witnessed the decline in crime and addiction first hand and an upswing in productivity in a hard hit country of the E.U.

Saw this recently. Love his decades old PBS show and he is obviously a helpless drug crazed lunatic.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'm sorry but I stopped reading after fact 1. I had a few friends die after being hooked on heroine for years and others still hooked now. They all thought they wouldn't get addicted but they were wrong . It's crap like you are talking that gives people the false idea they will be fine.

a reply to: penfold

Your friends were addicted, I am sorry to hear that. But you have to know you can't use your small sample size of just personal experience to try and discount something. Especially if you refuse to read about it. There are people who use it and stop. Just because you know people who didn't, doesn't mean no one else can.

It's crap like you are talking that gives people the false idea they will be fine.

So tired of this 'point'. NO ONE is saying that, what is being said is the current approach does nothing to address the problem and that what we have seen is turning it into a social issue and not a criminal one helps.

I don't condone you using it, but don't want to see you thrown in jail for it if you do decide to.

85-90 that try it dont become addicts? WOW!
I must have been that loser 10% that gets hooked then.
I have been sober for 3 years now.
But I loved opiates...actually I still do, because i will always be an addict. I just choose not to exercise my addiction.
June 2nd will be 3 years sort of clean. I say sort of because i have been on suboxone since getting off opiates.
Subs have helped in saving my life.
Ive always been able to maintain an excellent paying job. So i was one of the lucky ones that could "afford" their addiction.
I say "afford" but i really mean i was just able to pay for it. There were many times when there would be no food in the house but i would have a $600 sack of my fix.
Now i love my boring life. Sometimes I see the same animals i used to associate with when i was a user, and unfortunately they are still in the same place i left them.
With a little luck, they can get on the right path and find a reason to become a person again.

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

Fact Five: Kids find it much easier to get hold of illegal drugs than legal drugs.

Now this fact flies directly in the face of popular rhetoric, but logically it also makes sense. Most people's go to criticism against legalization is, "What about the children? Won't they be able to get drugs easier?" Well no. Liquor stores selling alcohol and even convenience stores selling cigarettes can be shutdown for selling their products to people under the appropriate age. The police take this very seriously and will setup sting buys with underage people to make sure they id everyone. Why anyone wouldn't think this wouldn't apply to other drugs is beyond me. But hey check this out too:

In a major survey, American kids said it was easier to get hold of cannabis than to get hold of beer or cigarettes. In fact, kids were more than twice as likely to say they could easily get cannabis than beer.

Going to have to disagree with this one. Have you ever been to a high school party? There is usually an endless supply of booze. Hard to get? Maybe. But when it is acquired, there sure is a hell of a lot of it.

Drugs will be no different IMO

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Im a product of the 80's. I grew up on this stuff, Just say No and The War on Drugs.


Two quick observation from my high school days I would like to share

Peer Pressure!!!!!
Remember the classic illustration of going to a party and a joint gets passed around and your friends take a drag and now it comes to you, WHAT DO YOU DO?....Just say No. Well this scared the crap out of my parents and they made sure I had no friends who did drugs. but more effective was the fear of peer pressure that I felt as my school (private school), church and parents reinforced the fact that the peer pressure is too much and I can't handle it, they didn't say that directly but thats how I received it. I was more afraid of peer pressure than scrambling my brains on some drugs, So much so that I withdrew socially. If I stayed at a distance then I would not have to deal with peer pressure. This is all retrospective self diagnosis on my part but could explain a lot of my social anxieties.

I Really was Doing Drugs?
While I never ingested or inhaled any illegal drugs or snorted anything illegal, I was filled with drugs most of my high school life. I had bad allergies, so I would pop two Suddafed in the morning make sure I had two for the afternoon, and be for darn sure to bring my steroid based nasal spray. I was baked before i walked into home rooms. I was full of chemicals all day long. and not to mention many of the other kids doing the same with Asthma and their inhalers. Just say no to your family doctor more like it.

All this to say, that when something is deemed more dangerous its opposite is perceived as more safe, and just because its regulated does not mean its safe. We are responsible for our actions. Research everything!!!

a reply to: Krazysh0t

This needed to be said. S&F

I dont know if this is ok to say, but Ive tried almost everything under the sun not used by a needle.

I TRIED, and walked away.

I have an addictive personality. That said I am happy and well adjusted. I have a will to live. That is why everything was like a bottle of whiskey to the face and that was that.

I cant say all the lies made me want to respect a single thing I ever heard about drugs when I realized how far fetched it all was.

I may be an exception. I just dont see the harm things like pot do. Its absurd. Best thing on earth next to sex. I wish I could still smoke. The law will ruin my life and limit me though....it would be counter productive to my current goals....so I cant do something that makes me happy and hurts no one.

BS. And it pisses me off that others act like Nazis being ignorant and fear mongering. Freaking superstitious tribesmen telling me the devil is in my joint.....So I dont smoke now and stay pissed at them.

LOL

a reply to: M4nWithNoN4me

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

originally posted by: M4nWithNoN4me

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Legalize them all ! reverse our prison populations! Rehabilitative sentencing aka light sentencing for lesser crimes and harsher sentencing for heinous non rehabilitative crimes (child rape/ heinous murders) that's where I stand!

TechniXcality and Krazysh0t in strong agreement/S&F'ing each other??

THE END IS NEAR... Keep your eyes on the skies for that big meteor friends.


Gotta love the ATS community!

They are not that different. Though they and you may think so. I agree with both of them on many things.

originally posted by: TechniXcality
a reply to: M4nWithNoN4me

Even a broken clock is right twice a day

Yep, you are right twice a day.

originally posted by: tadaman
a reply to: Krazysh0t


I dont know if this is ok to say, but Ive tried almost everything under the sun not used by a needle.

I TRIED, and walked away.

Me too. SWIM (someone who is not me) may take the demon weed twice a year or a soma -hey, it;s in Brave New World- on occasion, you know, back spasms. Prescribed of course.

Can someone write 1 reason why would a healthy individual use drugs? Thank you!

War on drugs is because if they legalize it, they ain't sure they will make such a profit like they are making it now.

In few years when people get more dumbed, then they legalize it. Problem is that you can't really control people under influence of drugs. But if they get dumber maybe this dumb people would be controlled even if under influence of drugs.