7 Facts About Drugs That Will Make You Question Everything You Know

a reply to: Krazysh0t I so agree and I don't use any drugs but have a strong need for medical cannabis as do many that I know. Wondering...is that stupid DARE program still being done in the schools? I was so outraged when they tried it on my children in the eighties that I would not let them attend. Remember... the DARE people told the kids to rat out their parents and some did. How sick. How invasive to families. I hope that is dead and gone. Here's hoping the dumb Georgia lawmakers get some education.

a reply to: Subaeruginosa

No, it doesn't. Meth is EXTREMELY addictive. If anything, adding meth into the mix would go on to increase the addiction prevalence. Go read the article. It says "ANY" drug, and then it equates it to three specific highly addictive drugs. You're out of your league on this one. Spend some time reading the National Drug Abuse Survey I linked and then comment. It was done in collaboration with NIH and RTI International (hint: I was an economist working on the survey).

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Here you go: www.samhsa.gov...


And you started out with a Huffington Post piece that equated "any" drug to "heroin, meth, and crack". There's a transitive fallacy in there if you care to educate yourself.

originally posted by: ReadLeader
a reply to: intergalactic fire

Seriously Inter!!!!

We had on of our ADA defenders speak in my psych class last week; Our state is one of the WORST ones for getting popped w/pot

Possession
Any amount (first offense) N/A 1 year N/A
Any amount (subsequent offense) Felony 2 - 10 years N/A

FELONY ! ! ! ! ! !

Anyway our state revenue from marijuana arrests is well over 6 mill per year! Hell, even most of our prisons and jails are privately owned FOR PROFIT!!!! We have college kids w/straight a's on the honor roll in prison, and with the word 'felon' on their back for life

Great point ReadLeader

I have been busted three times with a small amount of pot total weight = 2-3 gramms street value 10 $ +

I dread to think how many hours i have spent in police cells and the courts because of this they even visited my home on new years day one of the 20 + times over a fine of £ 40 $ 60 .

Cost to analyze drugs £200+ night in £ 400 van to court £ 600 etc etc etc , thousands of pounds for £ 2 worth of pot

Just waiting for the knock on the door for my third offence which happened in January , will i comply


Lucky i do not live in the States

originally posted by: Krazysh0t

originally posted by: BeefNoMeat
a reply to: Krazysh0t

I'd take an average of 10 to 15 percent and come up with 12.5% for a fair estimate and 23% is 92% higher than 12.5% which is far higher. I'm not gonna cherry pick any numbers to support my argument, I'm just coming correct with good science and pointing out your backtracking. You asked for facts and got em.

Good science? Your source was from a government website and didn't actually say where and how it got its numbers. MY source was an actual scientific study. Again here it is.

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov...


I was just giving the benefit of the doubt, but if you want to split hairs, you haven't provided any science whatsoever.

I deserved the benefit of the doubt because you were too lazy to read far enough down to see the references, sources, and numbers. For being intellectually lazy, I've provided it here for you: www.drugabuse.gov...

originally posted by: BeefNoMeat
a reply to: Krazysh0t

Here you go: www.samhsa.gov...


And you started out with a Huffington Post piece that equated "any" drug to "heroin, meth, and crack". There's a transitive fallacy in there if you care to educate yourself.

I'm curious why you think your source is more credible than my source. Have you even looked at the study where my numbers come from? Or have you only read the HuffPo blog article in the OP?

Good thread. It's a pretty common-sense thing to decriminalize or legalize drugs so as to focus on treatment for those who need it, rather than destroying people's lives by throwing them in jail and ruining their chances for finding employment. Unfortunately though, this country is run by money and financial interests, not the best interests of the people.

Speaking of addiction, I know what addiction feels like. I wasn't a drug user, but I was a smoker for several years, and I've heard it said that cigarettes are harder to quit than heroin. With that being said, I've discovered something interesting about my own previous addiction to cigarettes. The first time I quit, it was difficult... I thought I'd never quit, I thought I'd be a smoker for life... Quitting was like a shock to my system. My brain "needed" cigarettes. But I did quit, cold turkey. A few months later, I picked up smoking again, and eventually, I quit again. Each time I quit, it was easier and easier. Not because my body was somehow changing to become "less addicted", but because I realized that I could quit. The last time I picked up smoking for a few months, I just up and quit cold turkey and haven't touched a cigarette since, no withdrawal or cravings whatsoever. Think about that for a second. I was a user of something considered by many to be very addictive and extremely hard to quit, and quitting it didn't even leave me with cravings or withdrawal. This has pretty much led me to believe that the majority of addiction is just in your mind.

a reply to: Krazysh0t
I couldn't disagree more that the war on drugs is not working - if it were a failure, it would have stopped long ago. But that depends on whether you believe their stated goal is accurate.

Illegality allows the CIA to maintain a monopoly on the import, which funds their black budget - a la The Mena Connection (see video). Journalists on the topic may end up committing suicide with two rounds to the head


The CIA drug trade extends into other countries as well, including puppet regimes giving them access to supply. Explaining, of course, rising opium production despite claimed billions to counter it.

It was also admitted in Victor Ostrovsky's autobiography that the Mossad traffics narcotics, both for personal and black budget gain.

Keeping demand high with supply low and monopolized means high profits. And when you control both the distribution and the countermeasures against distribution, you get twice the budget. And many people, drug users or not, are too apathetic or ignorant to care.

Two excellent movies completely relevant to the topic are Sicario and A Scanner Darkly

People don't go to jail for using drugs as the original offense. If they go to jail for using, it is likely as a result of a probation/parole violation. Not one of the illegal drugs are good for you. Heroin, meth, smack, coke, etc.. are deadly and addictive and don't try telling us we are misinformed. Pot is addictive and destructive to brain cells, stop trying to sell us the BS that it's really not, by stating things like "caffeine is actually more addictive". That is a line of crap to justify your need to get high and be accepted. There is no comparison to a pot-head and a habitual coffee drinker. Smokers will cry all day long that pot is great and has many benefits and is not harmful whatsoever. Those of us that know better have seen what habitual pot smoking does to people; know how harmful it is.

These threads are always all about the need to get high and have someone tell you that its ok and a good thing. Almost like an admission that you know its a problem and are crying for help. If you need to smoke, do so in private and without trying to get others to do it.

Be honest and admit that this isn't about the war on drugs, but about how you like to get high.

Don't be a dope.

a reply to: BeefNoMeat

You're out of your league on this one.

No, your out of your league on this one... Alcohol is also extremely addictive, people die from withdrawing from it! Doesn't mean the majority of people who try it get addicted.

Spend some time reading the National Drug Abuse Survey I linked and then comment.

What, you mean the link you provided to drugabuse.org? One of the most blatant pro prohibition propaganda websites on the internet!

There soul purpose is to provide information that supports the war on drugs... they do nothing to promote harm minimization policies and are simply funded to justify locking up non-violent people who haven't harmed or stolen anything from anyone.

They do nothing but harm society and are the lowest of low, somewhere just above rapists and murders!

t was done in collaboration with NIH and RTI International (hint: I was an economist working on the survey).

So you've been involved in surveying a few hardcore addicts and now ignorantly think you know the whole story... but truth be told, you wouldn't have the first clue of what goes on in the real world! We're talking about illegal substances here, which no one would usually ever talk about openly unless they are absolutely rock bottom and have nothing left to lose.

You've just simply witnessed the worst of the worst and have ignorantly concluded you have the whole story.

a reply to: primus2012

People don't go to jail for using drugs as the original offense. If they go to jail for using, it is likely as a result of a probation/parole violation.

False, there is plenty of people in jail for possession alone without being on paper at the time.

Pot is addictive and destructive to brain cells, stop trying to sell us the BS that it's really not, by stating things like "caffeine is actually more addictive".

Post something that shows that.
As far as the other drugs, no one is saying it is good for you. Just that the way deal with the issue is not working. Criminalizing it does nothing.

There is no comparison to a pot-head and a habitual coffee drinker.

Ever heard someone say "Don't talk to me until I got my coffee"?
There are people that by their own admission can't function without coffee in the morning, not sure how much more addicted you can get.

If you need to smoke, do so in private and without trying to get others to do it.

If that is what you think this is about then you either didn't read it, or did and just missed the point.
Then again your whole post started off with false statement so makes sense.

a reply to: WhiteWingedMonolith

Scrape resin off the walls to get high?



Nice rant, man. Completely off-topic but nice!

I've never seen so many gross over generalizations in one grammar-ridden post in my life, I'm honestly not even sure what you were trying to say in your last paragraph.

Scrape it off the wall to get high? That's the first time I've ever heard of anything that ridiculous.

originally posted by: primus2012
People don't go to jail for using drugs as the original offense. If they go to jail for using, it is likely as a result of a probation/parole violation. Not one of the illegal drugs are good for you. Heroin, meth, smack, coke, etc.. are deadly and addictive and don't try telling us we are misinformed. Pot is addictive and destructive to brain cells, stop trying to sell us the BS that it's really not, by stating things like "caffeine is actually more addictive". That is a line of crap to justify your need to get high and be accepted. There is no comparison to a pot-head and a habitual coffee drinker. Smokers will cry all day long that pot is great and has many benefits and is not harmful whatsoever. Those of us that know better have seen what habitual pot smoking does to people; know how harmful it is.

These threads are always all about the need to get high and have someone tell you that its ok and a good thing. Almost like an admission that you know its a problem and are crying for help. If you need to smoke, do so in private and without trying to get others to do it.

Be honest and admit that this isn't about the war on drugs, but about how you like to get high.

Don't be a dope.

Can I offer you some psilocybin mushrooms maybe or some extra dimethyltryptamine?

No it's not about getting high or the war on drugs or to be a part of some cult, it's about freedom and responsibility of your own life.

If you believe the legal drugs are not deadly and addictive you are misinformed. There are more pharmaceutical drugs freely available that are much more addictive and deadlier than the ones you refer to.
And so are the same with the other drugs, those 'good drugs' the taxed drugs. I like to see you inject yourself with pure caffeine or alcohol and say they are good for your health or don't have any negative effects.

Of all those drugs cannabis is the safest of them all, hell it's even safer than watching the telllievision.
Abuse however is never good.

I have to ask you a question though, do you like music?

i have used heroin on and off for the past 2 years or so and i must say, i have never been physically addicted. you can argue that maybe im mentally addicted, but i only use it once every 2 or 3 months or so. just recreationally to chill out and have a good time. i never understood how people could let themselves get addicted like they show in documentaries and movies and television shows. maybe its because they use every single day maybe? im not sure. but it makes a lot if sense that 85 to 90 percent of users dont actually get addicted. fhanks fir the info OP.

a reply to: Sremmos80

I said you don't go to jail for using drugs and you counter with possession... Apples and oranges. However, I will argue if you get busted with a 1-hitter and a small amount and aren't on probation or whatever, you aren't going to jail. If you get caught with a larger amount, the amount that the law says shows intent to distribute, you're probably going to jail. Who is to blame for that? The law or the idiot holding the illegal amount? Laws aren't arbitrary ya know. I don't like that I can't drive 100 miles an hour down the freeway, but life's a bleep sometimes.

You seriously need proof that pot is addictive? I bet you can name at least 1-2 people right now that you know are hooked. Many of us could list 2-3-4 times that many. Some on this very thread are probably hooked, need it to cope with the burdensome realities of life like work, bills, and responsibilities.
The criminalizing is in the manufacture and distribution of illegal drugs, not in the usage. Gangbangers who sell smack and crack are doing hard time. Dopey Dopehead may spend some time in the workhouse for holding an illegal amount. Dopey Dopehead ain't doing 30 years for having a joint in his pocket. Walter White and Jesse Pinkman would be lifers if they were caught and for good reason don't you think? There's more to the story on the war on drugs than a bag of dope; there's organized crime, murder, theft, tax evasion, dirty needle diseases, drug dens, meth lab dangers, burden on society, harmful to communities, harmful to children and families, burden on public health, poverty, etc... Some of that may go away with legalization but most will not.

I hear people say "don't talk to me before I've had my coffee" every single day at the office. I say that all the time. I didn't say caffeine wasn't addictive. It's not an illegal substance though now is it? That's exactly what I meant. 'Yeah but coffee" "yeah but alcohol".... BS detractor argument. We're talking about illegal drugs, not a legal stimulant found in coffee and other plants.

These threads are exactly about legalizing drugs (or should we just cut the BS and say pot) so as to get high without the threat of a jail cell or the social rejection. OP and supporters don't care one rat's booty about a member of a cartel rotting in a cell.

a reply to: intergalactic fire

Yeah its about being able to get high when you want right?

a reply to: primus2012

No person in the world has the right to tell you what to do and what not to do.

I just saw your signature, funny you quote one off the most famous drug addicts in history.

originally posted by: Subaeruginosa
Which ironically, is exactly why Americans still refer to cannabis as marijuana to this day.

When the campaign began to criminalize this plant, they wanted people to think of it as an obscure evil Mexican drug, rather than relating it to the harmless 'Indian hemp' plant... so they called it marijuana because it sounded Mexican and so people wouldn't realize they were referring to cannabis.

Wow! I wasn't aware of that. Now that you explain it though, that makes sense! How perfectly and nauseatingly insidious... to learn that all these decades later, while arguing AGAINST this unfortunate and detrimental prohibition, a prohibition whose architects are long dead and buried in the Earth, I've STILL been using the terminology they created to demonize that which i would seek to exonerate.

From this point forward, I will only refer to that amazing plant as 'Cannabis."

a reply to: primus2012

I'm pretty sure you have to be in possession of said drug to consume it. So, yes, you can be arrested and charged with a crime for consuming a drug and be put in jail. Simple possession - you have to be in possession of cannabis to consume it - of cannabis will land you a night in jail. Kansas, Lousiana, Indiana, and Missouri are just a couple of states that will result in jail time if you are caught using cannabis. You can find this information on a number of legal sites, but NORML is the most comprehensive database of state statutes regarding the penalties for possession (usage) of cannabis.

a reply to: Krazysh0t

Your posts always seem to be about drugs

Either way its been known for many years that drugs are bought and sold by top officials. Majority of institutes around the world are built from opium sales.

Drugs are however bad for you, regardless of whether or not it kills you. Drug use alters the mind and the body and not always in a good way. Many class taking certain drugs as a mind opening experience and also class them not addictive. However, you try get someone off smoking something weak like pot. They use the excuse, ''I smoke once in a while, I don't need it. I am not addicted''. Yet the hard fact is, those same people can never put it down. The eye opening part, well. It's glorified that certain artists created masterpieces while on drugs, or was it just them after all.

Drugs are escape routes from reality and is sold as a trade. Supply and demand, whatever the product.

To answer your initial point, 'War on drugs is a lie'. Well, yeah. It is. As after all, the government only pays attention to big time dealers when they are making A LOT of money and not paying taxes.