78 Year old Man Sucker Punched Protestor at Trump Rally

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: UKTruth

a reply to: UKTruth


Darn keyboard auto-correct. Don't worry, the post has been 'fixed'.

a reply to: DerekJR321

You started off actually making sense with the whole "Idiots on both sides" comment. Then of course your entire argument and credibility went to hell when you decided to choose a side for yourself. Just like the other idiots you spoke of earlier.

By the end of your post you're calling Sanders a Communist and Racist, blame it all on Israel and are all aboard the Trump Cult of Personality train. Then you blame liberals calling them psychopaths and imply there is some kind of conspiracy against poor Donald who I guess you think is the victim here.

Then finish it off being supportive of racial violence against one innocent "black dude" because you want revenge for the racial violence against some innocent old men. That's called being a hypocrite BTW and means everything you said is based on a double standard. You should think about that.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
a reply to: UKTruth


Darn keyboard auto-correct. Don't worry, the post has been 'fixed'.

Lol fair enough - I guess politics can be highly charged - original quote deleted from my reply.

Hate is so strong in these anti-Trumpers. Anyway, I highly doubt your saying that every minority from african-american to hispanic and asian won't vote Trump in the elections because of all the false thrown reasons lol. Trump has been endorsed by the minors too, maybe you missed the memo. There are plenty of latinos residing in USA legally who don't like these illegal immigrants coming from Mexico either. Does that make them racist too?

originally posted by: UKTruth
I would say it already has been returned 100 fold in Chicago. The violence hatred and outright acts of terrorism were very disproportionate to one man being punched in the face. The Trump supporters were very tolerant.

You can't possibly think that the reason for Chicago was based simply on that one black guy getting punched in the face. If that was the case I'd totally agree with you that it's way over the top of a reaction. But any intelligent person should be able to understand that the guy getting punched in the face is obviously not the reason for their angry protest in Chicago. It may be a tiny bit more fuel for it but hardly the basis for it.

If Trump supporters were known for their tolerance we wouldn't even be having this conversation to begin with.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: UKTruth
I would say it already has been returned 100 fold in Chicago. The violence hatred and outright acts of terrorism were very disproportionate to one man being punched in the face. The Trump supporters were very tolerant.

You can't possibly think that the reason for Chicago was based simply on that one black guy getting punched in the face. If that was the case I'd totally agree with you that it's way over the top of a reaction. But any intelligent person should be able to understand that the guy getting punched in the face is obviously not the reason for their angry protest in Chicago. It may be a tiny bit more fuel for it but hardly the basis for it.

If Trump supporters were known for their tolerance we wouldn't even be having this conversation to begin with.

Well what I saw on Friday was an incredible display of tolerance by Trump supporters.

My personal view is that all this is carefully orchestrated. BLM and moveon.org have effectively been retained as a private army to harass, antagonize and shut down free speech. The fact that there was no serious blood shed on Friday is a credit to the Trump supporters and Trump himself did the right thing calling off the rally, even if it was effectively giving in to terrorism.

Now, there are a lot of quite outrageous claims about Trump (even to the extent he is like Hitler which has absolutely no basis in any available fact). What is happening is that the public is being exposed to TV ad after TV ad and talking heads stoking the flames (far more than Trump is). Couple that with an open and now admitted effort by the GOP to stop Trump at all costs and its clear to me that people are being duped.

If there was a real and heartfelt movement against Trump then we would see it over and over again and we would have seen it sooner.

It took a paid for and organised event to clash with his on the streets to create this so called 'backlash'. When the flood of negative media being thrown at Trump is still not eating into his vote counts it tells me that the issue here is not one of white supremacists and hateful people trying to wrestle control from the good natured Progressives. Its much much deeper than that. This is about establishment corruption vs. we the people. The fact that left wing groups funded by the establishment are the chief antagonisers just firms up that belief.

originally posted by: Gin
Hate is so strong in these anti-Trumpers. Anyway, I highly doubt your saying that every minority from african-american to hispanic and asian won't vote Trump in the elections because of all the false thrown reasons lol. Trump has been endorsed by the minors too, maybe you missed the memo. There are plenty of latinos residing in USA legally who don't like these illegal immigrants coming from Mexico either. Does that make them racist too?

There are many black community leaders now endorsing Trump. Same with hispanics. I think he has gone too far with his recent 'Muslims hate the West' comments. He needed to be more measured and specific about what he meant here in my view. But still, the notion that this is Trumps' White Men vs Minorities is a complete fallacy and a straw man argument being concocted by some quite hateful people.

originally posted by: UKTruth
If there was a real and heartfelt movement against Trump then we would see it over and over again and we would have seen it sooner.

Dude, where have you been???? That is exactly what has been happening for quite a while now. Obviously you either didn't notice it or chose not to see it until it reached a point of a possible riot in Chicago. Do you really think it was all smooth sailing until that one event???

Most of the attacks against him also started long ago and if you notice consist mostly of his own campaign speeches and in his own words. Followed by others exposing him lying about everything under the sun. When you can attack someone with their very own speeches and direct comments all by themselves that should tell you something.

The establishment doesn't want Trump, not because he's like Hitler, but because they can't control him. He hasn't been vetted and approved. Both Democrats and Republicans want him out. So that makes him sound pretty good---

And what does he talk about? He speaks out against Super PACs, he points out how politicians are slaves to the money that controls them. He says he gets along with Democrats and Republicans, and defends that stance against fellow republicans. So far so good.

Unfortunately, he also encourages his supporters to punch protesters in the face. He encourages his supporters to become violent against protesters, saying he'll pay their legal fees or represent them in court. He points out peaceful protesters and says "THEY are the problem. THEY are what's destroying this country. Go get a job." He implies a large portion of illegals are rapists. That's no better than someone saying most white people are racist. It's divisive as hell.

So, Trump... you had me a little, but then you lost me-- and you lost me bigtime, because I can't respect a guy who wants to see protesters taken out on stretchers, or who wants to silence the media, or amp up torture, fan the flames of Muslim hate, or "take out the families" of terrorists.

He just goes too far. His supporters don't reject any of these ideas. And these are pretty awful ideas. War crimes. Thunderous applause.

So, he was anti-establishment, and strong enough to take on the whole system--- but he wants to go full sith. Nope. Next.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: UKTruth
If there was a real and heartfelt movement against Trump then we would see it over and over again and we would have seen it sooner.

Dude, where have you been???? That is exactly what has been happening for quite a while now. Obviously you either didn't notice it or chose not to see it until it reached a point of a possible riot in Chicago. Do you really think it was all smooth sailing until that one event???

Most of the attacks against him also started long ago and if you notice consist mostly of his own campaign speeches and in his own words. Followed by others exposing him lying about everything under the sun. When you can attack someone with their very own speeches and direct comments all by themselves that should tell you something.

Chicago was the first major incident. There have been a few incidents with a few protesters. I have watched every rally that has been shown. Beyond that most of the hate is being spewed by talking heads and TV ads. My point being it took a paid for and organised event by moveon.org and BLM to get any kind of serious protest togather, Meanwhile Trump is getting over 40% of the vote in some states and he won something like 12 of the states so far, including in the South. This election has nothing do with racism.

Chicago was the first event. Here's the chronology... I recommend the whole clip, but if Maddow makes you puke, skip ahead to 3:43 where you get chronological clips of Trump's rallies leading up to Chicago. It's all right there.

youtu.be...

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
The establishment doesn't want Trump, not because he's like Hitler, but because they can't control him. He hasn't been vetted and approved. Both Democrats and Republicans want him out. So that makes him sound pretty good---

And what does he talk about? He speaks out against Super PACs, he points out how politicians are slaves to the money that controls them. He says he gets along with Democrats and Republicans, and defends that stance against fellow republicans. So far so good.

Unfortunately, he also encourages his supporters to punch protesters in the face. He encourages his supporters to become violent against protesters, saying he'll pay their legal fees or represent them in court. He points out peaceful protesters and says "THEY are the problem. THEY are what's destroying this country. Go get a job." He implies a large portion of illegals are rapists. That's no better than someone saying most white people are racist. It's divisive as hell.

So, Trump... you had me a little, but then you lost me-- and you lost me bigtime, because I can't respect a guy who wants to see protesters taken out on stretchers, or who wants to silence the media, or amp up torture, fan the flames of Muslim hate, or "take out the families" of terrorists.

He just goes too far. His supporters don't reject any of these ideas. And these are pretty awful ideas. War crimes. Thunderous applause.

So, he was anti-establishment, and strong enough to take on the whole system--- but he wants to go full sith. Nope. Next.

Well that view I can fully understand.

I would say though that he is not creating divides, He is exposing those that are already there. There is a lot of hatred around and it was at boiling point before Trump cam along. Here is an analogy - the water was in the pan and heated to 99 degrees by others. Trump comes along and heats it to 100 degrees. He is the one that seems to be taking the flak - all of it. The damage had already been done long before he came along. I have a hope that by kicking the mess over the edge of the cliff that people will be forced to sort it out, come together and discuss openly 'what the hell is going on' - to use a Trumpism.

originally posted by: spiritualzombie
Chicago was the first event. Here's the chronology... I recommend the whole clip, but if Maddow makes you puke, skip ahead to 3:43 where you get chronological clips of Trump's rallies leading up to Chicago. It's all right there.

youtu.be...

I watched the video and there is nothing I haven't seen. The first major incident was Chicago and that was staged by two organisations. The chronology is wrong by the way. On of the event was at a different time and place than stated.

Now, some of what Trump says is simply wrong. He doesn't use the right language. For example, if he said 'antagoniser' instead of 'protesters' I would say he is spot on. You simply don't have the right to come in and interrupt others free speech. By using the word protesters he is lumping together these people looking for trouble with genuine protesters wanting to get a message across. I think he needs to adjust that.

However, nothing excuses the shocking behaviour of the BLM and moveon.org terrorists. Nothing. It has to be said that if Trump really was inciting his voters to engage in violence to the extent it was influencing their actions then Friday in Chicago would have been a blood bath. His voters were very restrained in the face of significant provocation.

By the way , Maddow does make me want to puke. Self righteous little # that she is.

a reply to: UKTruth

That's just it. What happened in Chicago isn't the first significant protest. It was damn near a Riot because apparently that is what it takes now before anyone pays any attention to what is going on. All those other "insignificant" protests that nobody bothered to pay attention to weren't insignificant at all. But because they were peaceful and didn't turn violent people just ignore them. Well, when you do that long enough and ignore them when they have something to say it's only a matter of time until it blows up.

Then everyone cries foul and points fingers and calls them Terrorists and Radicals or worse and make it seem like they just came out of nowhere but that's not true. They've been marginalized over and over and over again because nobody wants to listen until they hit someone over the head. Then people pay attention but only to label them as the enemy.

Maybe, just maybe someone should be honest and admit that they threw away their multiple chances to deal with this peacefully because they chose to ignore it when it was still a conversation which is why it's now grown into a confrontation.

originally posted by: mOjOm
a reply to: UKTruth

That's just it. What happened in Chicago isn't the first significant protest. It was damn near a Riot because apparently that is what it takes now before anyone pays any attention to what is going on. All those other "insignificant" protests that nobody bothered to pay attention to weren't insignificant at all. But because they were peaceful and didn't turn violent people just ignore them. Well, when you do that long enough and ignore them when they have something to say it's only a matter of time until it blows up.

Then everyone cries foul and points fingers and calls them Terrorists and Radicals or worse and make it seem like they just came out of nowhere but that's not true. They've been marginalized over and over and over again because nobody wants to listen until they hit someone over the head. Then people pay attention but only to label them as the enemy.

Maybe, just maybe someone should be honest and admit that they threw away their multiple chances to deal with this peacefully because they chose to ignore it when it was still a conversation which is why it's now grown into a confrontation.

No sorry but I reject this totally.

Who is being marginalised? These few people went to a Trump rally to cause problems and got thrown out. How is that marginalising them to the point they think they are being ignored? They have no business being there in the first place unless they wanted to sit and listen to what Trump had to say. Free speech and the right to protest does not extend to antagonising and interrupting others free speech.

If they had gathered outside and protested as people went in and left then that is acceptable. It's like cheering for the away team at a home stadium surrounded by 1000's of home fans. At best you will be ignored. At worst you will be battered. When you go into an emotionally charged partisan environment and don't get noticed or get ejected its a bit rich to cry about being ignored and marginalised!

That is a totally lame excuse for committing organised terrorist acts in retaliation !

Seriously - you are literally saying that it is logical to try and kill someone because a few of your mates that think like you were not able to or allowed to shut someone up a few times in a row!!

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

And what does he talk about? He speaks out against Super PACs, he points out how politicians are slaves to the money that controls them. He says he gets along with Democrats and Republicans, and defends that stance against fellow republicans. So far so good.

You know I'd just like to point something out. All these good qualities that you point to as Trump's positive platform aren't something Trump came up with. He may not even believe in any of them anyway since he's been on the other side of those issues in the past.

However, Bernie Sanders, that dirty old Communist/Socialist/Leftist/etc. has been fighting for those Good Qualities for 40 years consistently and his record proves it. But of course just like the peaceful protests that are ignored so is he and his efforts. Now those attributes are being pinned on Trump because he allegedly supports them during this single campaign. To me that is gross incompetence of people to suggest that Trump should be seen as a champion of any one of those qualities while at the same time ignoring Sanders and now even labeling him as a Fascist or Communist or Terrorist.

Wake the f*ck up people. Why does it take a boot to the face before you pay any attention to anything. Everyone says they want peaceful resolutions to their problems but then ignore every possible peaceful path that is available to solve them. They ignore them until everything gets so out of hand it becomes a war and then complain about that too. Well, maybe take some time out to listen when someone else is trying to tell you something so that they don't have to kick you in the face later just to get your attention.

originally posted by: mOjOm

originally posted by: spiritualzombie

And what does he talk about? He speaks out against Super PACs, he points out how politicians are slaves to the money that controls them. He says he gets along with Democrats and Republicans, and defends that stance against fellow republicans. So far so good.

You know I'd just like to point something out. All these good qualities that you point to as Trump's positive platform aren't something Trump came up with. He may not even believe in any of them anyway since he's been on the other side of those issues in the past.

However, Bernie Sanders, that dirty old Communist/Socialist/Leftist/etc. has been fighting for those Good Qualities for 40 years consistently and his record proves it. But of course just like the peaceful protests that are ignored so is he and his efforts. Now those attributes are being pinned on Trump because he allegedly supports them during this single campaign. To me that is gross incompetence of people to suggest that Trump should be seen as a champion of any one of those qualities while at the same time ignoring Sanders and now even labeling him as a Fascist or Communist or Terrorist.

Wake the f*ck up people. Why does it take a boot to the face before you pay any attention to anything. Everyone says they want peaceful resolutions to their problems but then ignore every possible peaceful path that is available to solve them. They ignore them until everything gets so out of hand it becomes a war and then complain about that too. Well, maybe take some time out to listen when someone else is trying to tell you something so that they don't have to kick you in the face later just to get your attention.

Sanders is getting a lot of support. He should distance himself now from the terrorists responsible for Chicago.
I like what Sanders says on many issues and if you ignore the right / left illusion he and Trump have A LOT of common ground. They are poles apart on other issues of course, including immigration and the fight against political correctness.

I just don't think America will ever be ready to be a socialist country though.

There is a time and place to get the attention of someone in order to get your message across. In the middle of a partisan crowd antagonising them with insults is not the time nor is it the place.

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originally posted by: Gin
Trump has been endorsed by the minors too, maybe you missed the memo. There are plenty of latinos residing in USA legally who don't like these illegal immigrants coming from Mexico either. Does that make them racist too?

Please...what memo?

If you are referring to the Trump paid for "Clout research" Survey last year that surveyed a grand total of 10 African Americans over the phone...or at least people that claimed to be African American...and forced them to choose between only GOP nominees? 5 of them chose Ben Carson, 1 chose Cruz and 4 said Trump.

So yes...If clout research is telling the truth and the phone respondents didn't lie about their ethnicity, then last year there were 4 African Americans in the USA that would vote Trump...Maybe Ben Carson now makes it 5? Though I still thinking he is faking in hopes of getting a VP chance, like Chris Christie.