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a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

I am sorry but this video is crap and has very little food anthropology. That is a subject I can say I have been reading a lot about. Maybe find some respected anthropologists when you post these things.

I was mostly vegetarian when I competed in judo and wrestling. I am 5'9" and cut down to 145 from about 158. It helped me control my habits at restraunts and friends and relatives houses. I later got into sport science and added chicken and fish. Never saw a performance drop. My blood pressure, resting heart rate, body fat all stayed the same. I didn't have to eat constantly.

I wouldn't eat red meat before an event but after with enough time to digest was fine after I began eating meat.

Currently I try and limit my meat to high quality organic meat and eat it in moderate portions.

The moral of the story moderation. Don't eat only hamburgers all day everyday.

Red meat definitely has a big impact if you try and perform shortly after eating it based on the complexity of digestion and chemistry. However there are other things that help like sauerkraut or pickled unpaturized vegetables.

I also avoided sugar and alcohol. Preferring a different plant based substance for recovery.

originally posted by: luthier
Preferring a different plant based substance for recovery.

Oregano?

a reply to: luthier

It would be helpful if you specified exactly which study he cited that you have a problem with.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

It's more in the hops family but I have heard it called that.

a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

First off the video is more about nutrition than anthropology. He doesn't really get into anthropology but references diet researchers.

Second we are not biologically the same as our paleo relatives nor have access to the same grains and legumes etc. All these things have digestive bacteria that go along with then.



FRANKFURT- In a rare display of professional consensus, an international consortium of anthropologists, archaeologists, and molecular biologists have formally released an exasperated sigh over the popularity of the so-called “Paleo Diet” during a two-day conference dedicated to the topic.
Hoyes, a paleoethnobotanist who specializes in reconstructing prehistoric subsistence, stated that only thing unifying the myriad diets that she’s studied has been their diversity. “You simply do not see specific, trans-regional trends in human subsistence in the archaeological record. People can live off everything from whale blubber to seeds and grasses. You want to know what the ideal human diet consists of? Everything.

Fromhells-ditch.com...

a reply to: luthier

This might surprise you, but I fully agree with that statement released by the consortium of anthropologists. People can, and have, lived off virtually everything. Thus, we cannot rely on the historical record to provide us with the best diet. We must turn to modern science to determine which foods are helpful and which foods are harmful.

That said, I think the video does make some great points related to anthropology. We know humans have been eating cooked starches as far back as the historical records go, even as far back as 100,000 years. That's a point many people may not be aware of. And his points about nutrition are entirely relevant to the topic of the paleo diet, given that his micros were much closer to the anthropological record than the modern paleo diet.

a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

There was no specific "diet" thats the whole deal. So he can't be closer to anything. For instance Inuit eating whale blubber. Pretty sure he doesn't recommend that.

The thing is the human body adapts to the local diet over time. Like how omega fatty acids are really more an Inuit thing than the rest of the population. There is no diet there were thousands.

Really a macrobiotic diet is more beneficial than a vegan diet. It's not specific to what you eat but when and how much.

Also meat and processed food have become unhealthy through greedy practice. But now you can buy free range animals almost anywhere. Point is diets are fads unless you have a researcher working with you or you yourself are very dedicated you won't know what's best for your body. There is no one diet for everyone.

a reply to: luthier

I go where the data leads me. I have to disagree. The bulk of the evidence points toward a whole food plant based diet, although a macrobiotic diet is pretty close to that.

originally posted by: AnarchoCapitalist
The bulk of the evidence points toward a whole food plant based diet...

Which requires B12 supplements or fortified food since you are not getting enough tasty animal flesh.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

Studies show we'd get all the B12 we need if we drank from natural water sources like lakes and streams.

B12 is supplemented by ranchers, so people get it by proxy.

a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

No it really doesn't. I went to the same gym as Tim Kennedy and Dean Lister. We had nutritionalists who used sport science for football players and Olympic athletes. If your talking about a performance based diet which is the thread you have to have a personal nutritionist study the effects of the diet on your body.

Again a Mongolian wrestler won't have the same optimal diet as a wrestler from Oklahoma. An Inuit and a pigmy won't do well on the same diet either.

If you want the actual truth you have to study the effects on your genetics of a diet. Thats the only truth there is. Or if your from a traditional culture you eat that diet.

a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

Stop making things up, even the veg-head websites know that you need fortified food or supplements.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

That's because it's not advisible to drink from lakes or streams. It's not sanitary.

a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

Stop making things up, not every lake or stream is unpotable. If you drank from one of those you would still need B12 supplements or you would have to consume delicious and nutritious animals.

a reply to: luthier

I guess we just disagree on this point. The published literature is massively in favor of my position.

a reply to: AugustusMasonicus

a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

The DerpTube guy said you can produce it in your own intestines. All the more reason why I think we should include vegans in our diet.

a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

No it's not. The info you look at is. But it's fad stuff.

Can you honestly tell me an Inuit would do well as a vegan?

Why do pro athletes use personal nutritionists thatbexamine the effects of the food and supplements with their performance baselines?

I am telling you I never went to the Olympics but I made it to a high enough level in my youth to need to get the most out of my diet and weight cuts. The veg diet wasn't doing it anymore when I got to about 24. I am 40 now and still teach and compete as a "senior' and the younger guys who are serious all have personal diets based on blood types, genetics
and lots of research.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus

originally posted by: AnarchoCapitalist
If you're worried about estrogen, you should avoid milk and meat products.

I do not drink milk nor buy factory farmed meat. All my tasty animals come from local producers.

You don't quit, huh? Like some overly zealous door to door Jesus fanatic. Just for you I went on the raw diet for dinner just now, I ordered oysters on the half shell, tuna tartar and beef carpaccio. Yum, yum.

Hey a broken record is a broken record. Clearly OP is seriously concerned and KNOWS what is best for me and you, so we better stop this meat-eating nonsense or a vigilant vegan might soon slit our throats and leave us to rot! What a waste of good meat!!! Little green guy that lives under a bridge anyone?

a reply to: luthier

Fad stuff? I look exclusively at published peer reviewed literature.

A smart sports nutritionist might recommend meat for certain reasons, like the fact that chicken is a known obesogen and loaded with growth hormones, so by adding chicken to a diet, you can get additional bulking benefits. This doesn't mean the chicken is healthy, it just means the chicken is more effective at producing certain results for specific goals.