UFC Fight: Why Nate Diaz Beat Champion Connor McGregor

originally posted by: Tundra
Atleast he's not threatening to kill himself over a loss. He accepted it like a real fighter should! Back to the subject, meat or vegan. Poor argument. Meat and veggies fu@&ing ROCK!!!

I love both equally......

Sushi.......any day

Proper veggies.......pile em on....

Screaming plant and animal life..........fire makes food........

originally posted by: AnarchoCapitalist
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

So you admit I'm right. That's a change of pace. Pesco is considered a vegetarian sub-type, like lacto-ovo.

I'm not sure why you have so much anger toward people who eat healthy and avoid causing unnecessary suffering to animals.

ahh.......no.......Pesco is not vegan.........vegan is vegan....my sister in law is vegan = no meat , no dairy, nothing that doesnt come from a plant......

For christ sake.........

Pescan is seafood which = death to sea animals.........seriously do you research your own cause?

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: Tundra
Atleast he's not threatening to kill himself over a loss. He accepted it like a real fighter should! Back to the subject, meat or vegan. Poor argument. Meat and veggies fu@&ing ROCK!!!

I love both equally......

Sushi.......any day

Proper veggies.......pile em on....

Screaming plant and animal life..........fire makes food........

Like the great Justin Wilson said, "I Garontee!!"

Cheers brother

originally posted by: AnarchoCapitalist
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

So you admit I'm right. That's a change of pace. Pesco is considered a vegetarian sub-type, like lacto-ovo.

I'm not sure why you have so much anger toward people who eat healthy and avoid causing unnecessary suffering to animals.

And i just got to add, there is a jet-stream of bovine-organic-material coming out your mouth! I challenge you this, go up against Mr. Connor and win! Then i might change my mind for you, especially!

Personally I think its because Nate has a super strong jaw and Conor burned himself out trying to knock him out. Conor has had issues with ground game and even worse takedown defense in the past. I thought they both did a great job.

a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

No doubt putting on all the weight(most likely with TONS of meat protein) effected his stamina..
but the true reason he lost is the man in front of him was able to take his punches. He on the other hand, was not.
Connor landed some wicked shots. Diaz was able to roll them off a bit, but he still took a lot of damage
That was the difference though... He took them. He is used to getting hit by someone that size. Connor was not.
I understand your point and I agree that his diet effected his performance, but he did well enough in that fight to knock out most people that were put in front of him... but not Diaz.
He held strong and landed the simplest boxing combination and changed the fight.

originally posted by: o0oTOPCATo0o
a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

No doubt putting on all the weight(most likely with TONS of meat protein) effected his stamina..
but the true reason he lost is the man in front of him was able to take his punches. He on the other hand, was not.
Connor landed some wicked shots. Diaz was able to roll them off a bit, but he still took a lot of damage
That was the difference though... He took them. He is used to getting hit by someone that size. Connor was not.
I understand your point and I agree that his diet effected his performance, but he did well enough in that fight to knock out most people that were put in front of him... but not Diaz.
He held strong and landed the simplest boxing combination and changed the fight.

Not sure how much weight he put on. Connor is said and has said to walk around at 170. He leans out in camp but cuts huge amounts of weight to get to 145. He is probably most used to sparring around 165 or so. I think he simply didn't cut weight or pay attention to optimizing his diet for his performance.

As much as people love their red meat it's fine as a pro athlete but high demand sports you just don't want to waste so much energy on digestion pre performance. You want your gut optimizing the nutrients you give it.

Conor and his team made a technical error in planning. He underestimated Diaz and overestimated his own ability. He should have plenty of experience sparring at the weight he fought at if he really does walk around around 170. Let's also assume he was planning on cutting down to 155 and not that his actual weight was 155. He didn't gain weight he just didn't cut it. During most of his camps in history I guarantee he was in the mid 160's most of the time and then cuts around 18 lbs (insane)

Saying his diet had something to do with his performance is not a stretch at all. It's another form of discipline and extremely important. That doesn't mean you have to be a veg but eating red meat has to be planned with accordance to have ample digestion time and shouldn't be had during weight cuts due to chemistry and it's slow travel through the intestines. Of coarse some people have different chemistry and your diet at a pro level should be monitored for results.

He was beat by his lack of preparation and ego. That led him to poor choices both in and before the fight.

Reminds of valesquez Werdum where Cain didn't bother doing altitude training before his fight and gassed badly. It wasn't the fatigue and altitude...they where a symptom of a much worse problem. Ego, and poor planning.

originally posted by: ManBehindTheMask

originally posted by: AnarchoCapitalist
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

So you admit I'm right. That's a change of pace. Pesco is considered a vegetarian sub-type, like lacto-ovo.

I'm not sure why you have so much anger toward people who eat healthy and avoid causing unnecessary suffering to animals.

ahh.......no.......Pesco is not vegan.........vegan is vegan....my sister in law is vegan = no meat , no dairy, nothing that doesnt come from a plant......

For christ sake.........

Pescan is seafood which = death to sea animals.........seriously do you research your own cause?

I never said they were vegan.

a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

Meat or salad, McGregor did not fight smart fight but very emotionally driven fight, everything he throw at Diaz was with full power and he did throw allot of those hey makers, that will burn ur arms fast and it looks like he do so and Diaz jump on him fast and furious, he did what fighter does when they smell blood or weakness, finished it.

a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

I never said they were vegan.

LOl really? are we going to be this dishonest

Your reply to Augustus who said:

The Gracies are not all vegetarian.

You said :

I know several of them are. Royce in particular is.

You cant even keep it straight from one page to the next......seriously just stop man

a reply to: luthier

You're absolutely right, it was ego and bad preparation.

Conor went in without a proper plan and figured he could stand and bang with a guy who can stand and bang better than most, then he got desperate and went to the ground where Diaz is even better.

If he'd been training to hit harder, play headgames with mixups and retreat explosively off angles he would've done much better. Instead he chose to do ballet and cartwheels with Portal then paid the price for it.

a reply to: ManBehindTheMask

I figured you were smart enough to know the difference between vegan and vegetarian, but I guess not.

Vegan = no animal products at all

Vegetarian = generic term that ranges from no animal products to a diet that includes fish, diary and eggs.

Lacto-ovo vegetarian = a vegetarian diet that includes eggs and dairy products.

Pesco vegetarian = a predominately vegetarian diet that includes fish, may or may not include dairy and eggs. Also referred to as pescetarian.

Lacto vegetarian = a vegetarian diet that includes diary only.

a reply to: luthier

Agreed.
I'm not sure about how much he sparred at 170, but it didn't look like he was used to getting hit at that weight.
One point about the ego. I hear a lot of people saying he got beat because he got cocky.
While I agree that he might have been a little too inviting, thats the way he fights. Its a great boxing strategy, as long as you have the speed and reflexes.
Two of my favorite boxers to watch of all time used this strategy masterfully... Roy Jones Jr. and Sergio Martinez
What you see happen when they slow down, is that they get hit more. It's possible that the 'extra' weight slowed him down enough to get caught, but I fully believe that he was doing well enough and winning the fight up until he got caught.
Either way, great fight and Diaz is a tough S.O.B

a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

No wonder ppl hate them.

Anal.

a reply to: Lysergic

Imagine if you met a cross-fitting, vegan Atheist? What the hell would they tell you about first?

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: Lysergic

Imagine if you met a cross-fitting, vegan Atheist? What the hell would they tell you about first?

Since I'm a vegan who works out regularly and doesn't believe in organized religion, I suppose I could speak to that.

I'd probably start with the story of my own mother. She's been obese her whole life and could never stick to a diet plan for longer than a few months. Along with being obese, she ended up developing high blood pressure, diabetes and arthritis.

I managed to convince her to try an entirely plant based diet, where she could eat as much as she wanted, but only whole plant foods without added oil.

After a year on the diet, she was able to stop her diabetes medication, she lost 40 lbs and her arthritis completely went away. So now she is no longer diabetic and no longer has arthritis. Her serum cholesterol substantially declined as well, greatly reducing her risk of a cardiac event.

She found the diet easy to stick to because she was never hungry. Oatmeal, brown rice, beans, lentils, potatoes, yams, pasta, whole wheat breads, etc.. make up the bulk of her diet, so it's easy for her to feel full and get the carbs she needs to keep her energy levels up.

Plants are powerful medicine. Eventually people who eat meat will get sick enough that they will have to either go on medication or change their diet. If you're young, it's easy to blow off the advice of a vegan. Just wait until you start seeing people drop dead around you or face debilitating diseases in old age. The solution to prevent this is simple. Stop eating meat and processed foods.

a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

You do not have to be a cross fitting, vegan Atheist to avoid being morbidly obese and reverse Type II diabetes.

originally posted by: AugustusMasonicus
a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

You do not have to be a cross fitting, vegan Atheist to avoid being morbidly obese and reverse Type II diabetes.

You're right. My mom isn't a cross fitting atheist vegan, she's just a plain old vegan.

a reply to: AnarchoCapitalist

You do not even need to be one of those to avoid being obese or contracting diabetes.