People ARE Mixing the Gospels Together!

originally posted by: Sassanid
Matthew 5:16 "In the same way your light MUST shine in the sight of men, so that, seeing your GOOD WORKS, they may give praise to your Father in heaven."

Emphasis mine.

What this quote by Jesus is saying is that good works are a MUST!!!

James concurred. Even calling faith without good works DEAD!!! As in not alive, non-existent.

If you don't do good things, you don't have faith.

Justification by faith alone is the biggest fallacy in Christianity ever. It can't be reconciled with the truth that Jesus taught and is anti-christian.

If this is your belief, your a disciple of Paul, not Jesus.

The 12 apostles preached the reality of the resurrection of Jesus ‘the messiah’. The 12 apostles had preached the necessity of Jesus ‘the messiah’ being raised from among the dead, in order to sit on the throne of David in the promised kingdom.  Acts 1:4 - That promise had to do with being baptized with Yahweh’s energizing power from on high. This is not John the Baptizer’s baptism, this is a special identification of Yahweh’s power for the purpose of empowering those kingdom saints for the tribulation period at their doorstep and the millennial reign to come. Yahweh was in a very real sense giving Israel a taste of their promised earthly kingdom. Seven years stood between Israel and them gaining their earthly Kingdom. Paul taught what that resurrection meant to the Gentiles.

originally posted by: newnature1

originally posted by: Sassanid
Matthew 5:16 "In the same way your light MUST shine in the sight of men, so that, seeing your GOOD WORKS, they may give praise to your Father in heaven."

Emphasis mine.

What this quote by Jesus is saying is that good works are a MUST!!!

James concurred. Even calling faith without good works DEAD!!! As in not alive, non-existent.

If you don't do good things, you don't have faith.

Justification by faith alone is the biggest fallacy in Christianity ever. It can't be reconciled with the truth that Jesus taught and is anti-christian.

If this is your belief, your a disciple of Paul, not Jesus.

The 12 apostles preached the reality of the resurrection of Jesus ‘the messiah’. The 12 apostles had preached the necessity of Jesus ‘the messiah’ being raised from among the dead, in order to sit on the throne of David in the promised kingdom.  Acts 1:4 - That promise had to do with being baptized with Yahweh’s energizing power from on high. This is not John the Baptizer’s baptism, this is a special identification of Yahweh’s power for the purpose of empowering those kingdom saints for the tribulation period at their doorstep and the millennial reign to come. Yahweh was in a very real sense giving Israel a taste of their promised earthly kingdom. Seven years stood between Israel and them gaining their earthly Kingdom. Paul taught what that resurrection meant to the Gentiles.

That's a load of crap. Paul taughtwwhatever would gain converts. "I have become all things to all men." That's a quote.

You coming to the defense of your false prophet is understandable, I would stand up for my Messiah, Jesus, who taught everything needed before his ascension and NEVER met Paul, Pauls teachings contradict Jesus and the 12, you can't defend that and the explanation you offered was weak. Jesus broke down the Gentile/Jew barrier, Paul rebuilt it because the 12 and their followers rejected Sauls false teachings, what Jesus calls "The doctrine of Balaam." In Revelation 2:2, I believe it is. Def. in Revelation.

originally posted by: newnature1

originally posted by: Sassanid

originally posted by: newnature1
So-called Christendom today fails to rightly divide the word of truth, because they have mixed God’s program with Israel and his program with the Body of Christ and mixed dispensations together; dispensations that do not mix together, and as a result, they think they have taken on Israel’s role from the point where Israel left off.

The programs have simply been intertwined in the minds of the religious world. Any kind of works at all, even if they appear to be good works in a our minds, that are done for the purpose attaining salvation, or for the purpose of maintaining salvation, and even for the purpose of proving our salvation is a slap in the face of God, who had to provide the gift of salvation, because our righteousness would be totally incapable of meriting it. 


It was God’s plan to use the faith and its resultant faithfulness of the son of God in the ultimate glorification of human-kind who would take him at his word, the union of believers to Christ is that which allows God to remain just when he credits those with the righteousness of his son. 
Are we to study the Word of God as though it were a hodge-podge assortment of instructions that are all the same for all the people of all the ages? Some people study it that way, and then wonder why they can not make sense of it. 


Cafeteria Christianity, each group placing on their plate the portion, or portions of Scripture that appeal most to them. “We want this, but we will ignore that.” “We will take one of these, but we will leave the others off our plate.” But we can not pick and choose whatever doctrine suits our appetites, as though it is left up to us to sere ourselves.


We have to allow God to tell us in the Word, the portions of that Word that are specifically written about and directly apply to us. If you read the words “ye men of Israel,” “ye men of Judaea” do not take from the table of that nation and put that instruction on your plate. You are not the nation Israel. You are not under the law, they were. You are under grace!

There is only one way to salvation and it's the same for everybody who is a disciple, Jew or non-Jew alike. You are trying to say that the Gospel (good news) is to be divided and I don't know what cult leader taught you this, but it wasn't Jesus, who never taught what you are misleading people to think.

There is one, narrow path to salvation, and Messianic Jews have the same gospel as the rest of Christianity.

Your division of humanity into 2 gospels and types of people is too master race-ish for me.

I am disgusted at your fallacious notion, you should be ashamed of yourself for teaching this satanic rubbish.

Jesus gave himself a ransom for MANY. Who are the “many” spoken of? Israel!

But a ransom for ALL was not testified until Paul proclaimed it, the revelation of the secret, which was kept secret since the world began.

You are mixing the Gospels, because the last days of this present age of grace, the time prior to God closing the door on the program through which he is accomplishing his heavenly purpose today, what will it be like when God says enough is enough on his program for the heavenlies, so he can pick up where he left off with his program for those who will inherit the earth.

The Pauline Epistles will of course be of use as an historical record of what will then be past, just as we have the record of Israel’s history in the Old Testament now. Even now, the nucleus of the Remnant is being prepared, hundreds of Israelites are believing in Christ as the Messiah, who know nothing of him as the Savior.

That's where you are highly mistaken. The "many" isn't Israel, it is all who come to Christ and receive his message. There is no Jew/Gentile divide, no preferential treatment for Jews. There is no difference in Christs eyes as the circumcision he speaks is of the heart and one is not different from the other, no gospel for Jews with a different ggospel for the rest of mankind. Everyone is equal to Christ who has faith, and not your "dead faith" but true faith, in Jesus and not Balaam/Paul.

originally posted by: Sassanid

originally posted by: newnature1

originally posted by: Sassanid
Matthew 5:16 "In the same way your light MUST shine in the sight of men, so that, seeing your GOOD WORKS, they may give praise to your Father in heaven."

Emphasis mine.

What this quote by Jesus is saying is that good works are a MUST!!!

James concurred. Even calling faith without good works DEAD!!! As in not alive, non-existent.

If you don't do good things, you don't have faith.

Justification by faith alone is the biggest fallacy in Christianity ever. It can't be reconciled with the truth that Jesus taught and is anti-christian.

If this is your belief, your a disciple of Paul, not Jesus.

The 12 apostles preached the reality of the resurrection of Jesus ‘the messiah’. The 12 apostles had preached the necessity of Jesus ‘the messiah’ being raised from among the dead, in order to sit on the throne of David in the promised kingdom.  Acts 1:4 - That promise had to do with being baptized with Yahweh’s energizing power from on high. This is not John the Baptizer’s baptism, this is a special identification of Yahweh’s power for the purpose of empowering those kingdom saints for the tribulation period at their doorstep and the millennial reign to come. Yahweh was in a very real sense giving Israel a taste of their promised earthly kingdom. Seven years stood between Israel and them gaining their earthly Kingdom. Paul taught what that resurrection meant to the Gentiles.

That's a load of crap. Paul taughtwwhatever would gain converts. "I have become all things to all men." That's a quote.

You coming to the defense of your false prophet is understandable, I would stand up for my Messiah, Jesus, who taught everything needed before his ascension and NEVER met Paul, Pauls teachings contradict Jesus and the 12, you can't defend that and the explanation you offered was weak. Jesus broke down the Gentile/Jew barrier, Paul rebuilt it because the 12 and their followers rejected Sauls false teachings, what Jesus calls "The doctrine of Balaam." In Revelation 2:2, I believe it is. Def. in Revelation.

Seems like you are Poeing me around, but if you are serious, Paul’s message is unique and distinct from the message of Jesus Christ and the 12 apostles, there is difference in God’s earthly program and God’s heavenly program, what traditions of people must be left behind if we take the doctrine of Paul seriously?

a reply to: Sassanid

Jesus didn't just preach to just Jews, whatever cult leader is teaching you this Nazi crap you should stop listening to him.

If you dreamed it up on your own you have an awful imagination, Jesus preached far and wide, to all alike, and didn't favor the Jews, nor was his message specifically FOR Jews, and Paul was rejected by "All those in Asia" where Jesus and the 12 Apostles had been teaching Gentiles long before Paul. Peter was teaching Gentiles before Paul burst on the scene in Acts, so FALSE.

originally posted by: Sassanid
a reply to: Sassanid

Jesus didn't just preach to just Jews, whatever cult leader is teaching you this Nazi crap you should stop listening to him.

If you dreamed it up on your own you have an awful imagination, Jesus preached far and wide, to all alike, and didn't favor the Jews, nor was his message specifically FOR Jews, and Paul was rejected by "All those in Asia" where Jesus and the 12 Apostles had been teaching Gentiles long before Paul. Peter was teaching Gentiles before Paul burst on the scene in Acts, so FALSE.

You sure are talking like a Poe? To many people think salvation is the end result, but salvation is the starting point. Understanding peace with God comes from understanding the accomplishment of Jesus Christ, but letting the peace of God rule in our hearts is not the same thing as understanding the reality of having peace with God. We need to understand, God had much more in mind when he designed the body of Christ than a library full of learning or a theater of theologians. There is no way to reason with a Poe?

a reply to: newnature1

You have weak arguments, I don't know what a poe is and you are a follower of Balaam, I am finished with your lame opinions and this crappy satanic thread.

originally posted by: Sassanid
a reply to: newnature1

You have weak arguments, I don't know what a poe is and you are a follower of Balaam, I am finished with your lame opinions and this crappy satanic thread.

The fact that Christ died for the sins of the world does not mean that there no longer exists a world of sinners, to have one’s sin slate judicially emptied, because Christ died for those sins does not mean that that one possess the righteousness reckoned on the slate of the one who died for those sins. 


If we fail to understand that we are blameless and what being blameless is all about, everything we build from this point on is hay, wood and stubble, God sees us in Christ and Christ was blameless.

a reply to: newnature1

This guy is a troll, He has an anti-Paul agenda. Don't give into this hype, this is like the 13 or 14th user name on ATS that he has used.

Many have tried to show him the truth but he alone possess all the truth he wants and you and I and the others are all followers of something or another and he alone is the follower of the one true god of his mind.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: newnature1

This guy is a troll, He has an anti-Paul agenda. Don't give into this hype, this is like the 13 or 14th user name on ATS that he has used.

Many have tried to show him the truth but he alone possess all the truth he wants and you and I and the others are all followers of something or another and he alone is the follower of the one true god of his mind.

A Poe Troll (God Hater)

So let’s say there is one Gospel, how would it play out. We see the “prayer of faith” Israel walked by sight, Yahweh allowed their prayer life to work in connection with sight as that earthly kingdom was on their doorstep. Yahweh worked in connection with the sign nation, the healings that were performed and the power resident in the prayer of faith. 


When the kingdom program was ongoing and Jesus was ready to rule and reign right here on earth, a troubled believer could pray the prayer of faith, when presented with suffering circumstances and those circumstance would disappear. Yahweh provided that prayer of faith, because that kingdom was at hand and the time for troubling circumstances had come to an end. It was time to put an end to pain and suffering, because it was time for the King to rule and reign on this earth. 


Mountain moving faith was Yahweh’s way of being glorified in the sovereign reign of the king. “It shall be done” mountain moving faith used in conjunction with the prayer of faith. Was Jesus pushing them toward faith or was he proving Israel’s lack of faith. 


So an Israelite makes that confession itself would be considered a fruit of righteousness in the eyes of Yahweh. Leviticus 26, beginning with verse 40, is the confession Israel would be called upon to make. Israel would also have to accept the remainder of her punishment, that failure under the law contract would call for and that would be the seven year tribulation. 


Now before that kingdom could be realized, there was a prophetic event that had to take place first. The way Jesus taught has special application to that tribulation period to those people who were being taught to pray in this manner. This will be a very heartfelt prayer during the tribulation period.

During the time of Jacob’s trouble, the Israelites will be under tremendous persecution from the antichrist. He will be putting Israelites to death for their faith. The Israelites will be praying at that time, “thy kingdom come” the promised earthly kingdom to be set up right here on earth, because the only hope of deliverance for the believing Israelites at that time, will be the coming of the king and setting up of the earthly kingdom. But Israel killed their king.

You see, if Israel could have their sins remitted nationally, then Israel could indeed become that holy nation and kingdom of priests. And if Israel could become that holy nation and kingdom of priests, then the Gentiles would be able to come to Yahweh through Israel’s rise. That is why it would be important for Jesus ‘the messiah’ to be risen, so Israel could have their sins remitted, and they could arise, and the Gentiles could come to Yahweh through the nation Israel. It was only Israel having access to that eternal life that would make it possible for the Gentiles to have that eternal life through Israel’s rise, through the nation Israel. 


But you see, Israel nationally did not accept the Gospel of the Kingdom of Yahweh. They did not accept the Gospel of Yahweh; that Jesus was the son of Yahweh or that Jesus was the risen messiah. They did not accept that at all, so rather than rise, Israel fell. Yet, when it comes to Jesus being risen from among the dead, how could Israel’s promised earthly king sit on the throne of David in a promised literal, earthly kingdom, if the king Yahweh anointed for that kingdom remained a dead king. 


If Jesus be not risen, there is no earthly king. If Jesus be not risen, there is no earthly kingdom. If there is no earthly kingdom and that is when Israel is supposed to be forgiven, then there is no forgiveness for the nation Israel; for the saints of the kingdom program. And if there is no forgiveness, there is no salvation. And if there is no salvation, there certainly is no bodily resurrection. And if there is no bodily resurrection, all this is a story, a fairytale.

a reply to: newnature1

Exactly!! You and are of one mind on this.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: newnature1

Exactly!! You and are of one mind on this.

Now the time period of the parable Jesus gave in Luke chapter 13, the one additional year given Israel until the fig tree was to be cut down, still has the majority of a year to transpire at this point. This is what Jesus meant when he said he gave Peter the “keys” to the Kingdom. Peter had the ability to “unlock” and “open the door” to the Kingdom, he proclaimed the message they had to believe. Jesus gave himself a ransom for MANY. Who are the “many” spoken of? Israel! The beginning of Israel’s last days of her program, they were being equipped for the upcoming time of tribulation right on their horizon. 


Yahweh used the physical senses in every respect in connection with his sign nation at Israel’s high holy feast day called Pentecost. Yahweh gave his sign nation things to SEE and to HEAR and to SPEAK! The physical senses were used by Yahweh that Israel might WITNESS their deliverance. 


The expressions “before our eyes” and “in our sight” tell us how Yahweh worked as Israel was approaching the last days of her program, which was to culminate in an entrance to her promised earthly kingdom. In spite of all these visual manifestations that Yahweh worked in time past, Israel for the most part remained in unbelief. They were either attributing Yahweh’s work to Satan, or they were attributing Satan’s work to Yahweh.

Israel as a nation was still the focus in Acts chapter 2, as they were given a taste of their promised earthly kingdom there with Yahweh’s empowerments for The Tribulation endurance and for the earthly kingdom entrance. Focus is still that land and the attempt to get Israel’s leadership to change their minds about the source of their righteousness and accept Jesus as indeed their Messiah. Peter promises Israel that if she will change her minds, Yahweh will send Messiah back and their promised Kingdom can get back underway, just as it was promised. Peter called it the times of refreshing speaking of a direct reference there to the millennial reign of Messiah on the earth. 



The beginning of Israel’s last days of her program, they were being equipped for the upcoming time of tribulation right on their horizon. They were more abundant than ever, God used the physical senses in every respect in connection with his sign nation at Israel’s high holy feast day called Pentecost. 


This was not a mystery, this was not a secret, it was exactly what the bible had foretold would take place when it came to the sign nation. 


God gave his sign nation things to see and to hear and to speak, the physical senses were used through God’s power from on high, that Israel might witness their deliverance; “before our eyes” and “in our sight” tell us how God’s power from on high worked as Israel was approaching the last days of her program, which was to culminate in an entrance to her promised earthly kingdom. 


The visual manifestations of God’s power from on high was directly involved in as the nation Israel was given every visual opportunity to change their thinking about the identity of their Messiah and their ability to perform up to the standard of God’s righteousness, when it came to the law contract.

a reply to: newnature1

All of what you said is true. I would also add once they killed Stephen the change in approach took place and Paul was called out to preach the Gospel of the Grace of God.

Today we need no signs. But these signs will appear again when he takes up his plan for Israel in the near future.

Again I see we agree

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: newnature1

All of what you said is true. I would also add once they killed Stephen the change in approach took place and Paul was called out to preach the Gospel of the Grace of God.

Today we need no signs. But these signs will appear again when he takes up his plan for Israel in the near future.

Again I see we agree

The goal of the apostle Paul is to establish us and every believer in the knowledge of our sanctified standing before God, our being placed into his son. Justification and Sanctification are “much more” assurance that Paul is giving us, as to the security that we as believers have, being placed into Christ. 


We see Paul using this term “much more” over and over again, these are “much more” security passages that we find in Romans. The “much more” idea that Paul had in his mind when he was writing Romans, Paul wants to establish our minds in the “much more” assurance that we have, so we can have that stability of mind and stability of emotions. 


When it comes to the establishment of the mind of the believer, and the truth of their secure identity in Christ, this is security, this is who we are in Christ, we can not lose it. This is why our faith in Christ’s faithfulness is essential!

a reply to: newnature1

BINGO

Now if others who want this need only to look to the Scriptures.

originally posted by: ChesterJohn
a reply to: newnature1

BINGO

Now if others who want this need only to look to the Scriptures.

Satan and his forces can do nothing about our Identity in Christ (Helmet of Salvation), but if they can, they will cloud our perspective (Faith’s Shield) and dull our effectiveness in our ministry of reconciliation. No body loses control to Satan and his forces overnight; it is a gradual process of deception and yielding to their subtle influence. 


Many of the body of Christ, instead of recognizing that their minds are being peppered by the fiery darts of the enemy, they think the problem is their own fault. “If those foul thoughts are mine, what kind of person am I?” they wonder. So they end up condemning themselves while the enemy continues their attack unchecked. 


Satan and his forces are created beings, and they do not perfectly know what we are thinking. By observing us they can pretty well tell what we are thinking, but they do not know what we are going to do before we do it. They can put thoughts into our mind, and they will know whether we buy their lie by how we behave. 


Satan and his forces can try to influence us by planting thoughts in our mind, but they cannot read our thoughts. If we are going to resist Satan and his forces, we must do so outwardly so they can understand us and be put to flight. We cannot expect God to protect us from Satan and his forces influences if we do not take an active part in God’s prepared strategy.

Grace within a dispensation was one thing, a dispensation characterized solely by grace is something else altogether. Grace is the foundation on which Paul’s entire ministry was built, and grace covers all the bases for the believer’s life. There is a glory that belongs to God’s grace, and it is to be praised on the bases on what God’s grace has accomplished. 


Paul had been given special divine authority with the understanding that he is our apostle, and that authority carried with it the details of what God expects people to believe today, concerning the salvation Jesus Christ purchased for them with his sacrifice. 


Therefore, God in his infinite wisdom devised a plan whereby he could take the very faith belonging to his son, along with its resultant faithfulness, and credit that faith and faithfulness to the account of those who believe. It is Christ’s faith that is freely credited to the account of the one who believes the good news message given to the apostle Paul to proclaim to us in this age of grace. 


Paul wants us to know how a person is saved. He wants us to understand the basis by which God provides eternal security, not only has provided the gift of salvation; but provides eternal security to all those who place their faith in what the sacrifice of his son accomplished. It is our faith in the accomplishment of Jesus Christ’s faithful sacrifice that is the means whereby God acknowledges that we have accepted the gift his son purchased.

a reply to: newnature1

for me all is well the choir needs to hear it but I am sure glad others are watching because they definitely need to hear it.

When Paul refers to us as the called, he is referring not just to the fact that God is extending a call to us, an invitation or summons. Paul’s also referring to the fact that God’s calling us to participate in that to which we have been called, the Body of Christ. The Body of Christ is an expression denoting the point when God began to judicially join believers to his son, the Body of Christ is not about program, but about judicial identity. 


God forgave us, not because he had to, but because it was his desire too. God accomplished through Christ what we could never do on our own. God did not wait for us to do the first step. God had a choice, Jesus Christ had a choice, and they chose to do it. Christ believed that his sacrifice would settle the sin issue once and for all, and that God would raise him from among the dead. 


What an ingenious salvation plan, to take someone else that is righteous and join us to that person. Sin causes a debt to God so large that it can never be paid by ourselves, but the person who knows what Jesus Christ really accomplished, exist in a completely new relationship with God. Justification is a legal act, wherein God deems the sinner righteous on the basis of Christ’s righteousness. 


Justification is not a process, but is a one-time act, complete and definitive. God could only declare us to be right on the bases of who and what he is, not on the bases of who and what we would be apart from him. God had to devise a way to see us that way, and the way he devised to do that was by joining us to, hiding us in our perfectly righteous savior, thus freely crediting to our account Christ righteousness.