Is H.R. Clinton playing the "It Depends on what the meaning of the word is is" game?

originally posted by: IridescentPhoenix
I've held a TS clearance and know what is takes to do what she and her staff did. A former subordinate of mine is working the case with the FBI anf she's going to prison.

I hope you are right.

originally posted by: IridescentPhoenix
I've held a TS clearance and know what is takes to do what she and her staff did. A former subordinate of mine is working the case with the FBI anf she's going to prison.

This would make my year!

I wonder what her secret service detail would do if she ordered them to not let the FBI arrest her should they show up warrant in hand?

You would have to bet 2000 dollars to win a hundred she is the Democratic candidate. You would have to put down 175 to win a hundred that she takes POTUS.

a reply to: IridescentPhoenix

amazing that you just happen to know the result of a trial that has not yet occurred - so much for justice

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

sigh - if you actually understood what the secret service actually does - you would understand the true insanity of your post

She's a lawyer. Bill's a lawyer. And they were brilliant ones...smarter than most. They have been building their Power Machine for decades, and were always one step ahead of everybody else.

Chinagate and Pardongate got me to investigating the professional white collar criminality of their methodology. They were brilliant...genius!!

IMO, these two are "partners in crime" more than marriage partners. They began laying the groundwork decades ago and built upon it brick by brick.

It will take genius investigative talent to unravel their cartel and brave unbiased judicial officials to pursue justice for the American people.

The one thing I have been confused about is the "why" by Obama for not appointing an official standing IG for Hillary's State Department. The acting IG has a lot of controversy surrounding him, and did not do the kind of oversight he should have done.

Is Obama smarter than the Clintons? Did he give her and Bill just enough rope to hang themselves? Or...was Obama part and parcel of their scheme.

I'm leaning more toward 21st century style espionage. I hope James Comey and his team have the right stuff.

If any of this is brought to trial, she'll be facing criminal charges ... not some meager impeachment.

a reply to: introvert

An IG was appointed when she left office. An IG existed under the Bush administration. Her tenure is the only gap since Congress established the office of IG. So Obama just forgot to appoint one during Clinton's tenure?

As for email, it falls under 44 USC 31.

§ 3101. Records management by agency heads; general duties

The head of each Federal agency shall make and preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency and designed to furnish the information necessary to protect the legal and financial rights of the Government and of persons directly affected by the agency’s activities.

§ 3105. Safeguards

The head of each Federal agency shall establish safeguards against the removal or loss of records the head of such agency determines to be necessary and required by regulations of the Archivist. Safeguards shall include making it known to officials and employees of the agency--

(1) that records in the custody of the agency are not to be alienated or destroyed except in accordance with sections 3301-3314 of this title, and

(2) the penalties provided by law for the unlawful removal or destruction of records.

§ 3106. Unlawful removal, destruction of records

(a) FEDERAL AGENCY NOTIFICATION.—The head of each Federal agency shall notify the Archivist of any actual, impending, or threatened unlawful removal, defacing, alteration, corruption, deletion, erasure, or other destruction of records in the custody of the agency, and with the assistance of the Archivist shall initiate action through the Attorney General for the recovery of records the head of the Federal agency knows or has reason to believe have been unlawfully removed from that agency, or from another Federal agency whose records have been transferred to the legal custody of that Federal agency.

(b) ARCHIVIST NOTIFICATION.—In any case in which the head of the Federal agency does not initiate an action for such recovery or other redress within a reasonable period of time after being notified of any such unlawful action described in subsection (a), or is participating in, or believed to be participating in any such unlawful action, the Archivist shall request the Attorney General to initiate such an action, and shall notify the Congress when such a request has been made.

It is not up to the agency head to decide whats official and whats personal, let alone her private lawyer who made the determination. The above does not include her violations of the espionage act.

An IG has the authority to review all records and the use of an off site personal server does not meet the federal requirements under the federal records act. An IG also could have caught the illegal transfer of restricted material (confidential, secret, top secret) from secured to unsecured systems.

a reply to: queenofswords

Judicial watch has been granted discovery so they can now interview Clinton and others with regards to the email use. I would hope they will ask them directly about sending confidential, secret and top secret and not use the term classified.

a reply to: Xcathdra

There is so much to hang her on right now, I have been baffled as to why the FBI hasn't moved in on her yet. My only conclusion is that this goes way deeper than using a private server to conduct State business on, and this investigation is unraveling the tangled web. To arrest her prematurely might be a mistake.

originally posted by: queenofswords
a reply to: Xcathdra

There is so much to hang her on right now, I have been baffled as to why the FBI hasn't moved in on her yet. My only conclusion is that this goes way deeper than using a private server to conduct State business on, and this investigation is unraveling the tangled web. To arrest her prematurely might be a mistake.

Well the AG went on record saying lawyers have been assigned so we are close to something happening. The FBI does the investigation and since it deals with Clinton and Obama my guess would be they want all their ducks in a row before moving forward. The ultimate decision will come with the FBI presenting the case to the DOJ lawyers who will then make a recommendation to the AG.

I know the State department tried to delay the last batch of emails till after some of the primaries and the judge told them no (my guess was super Tuesday - today).

I have seen comments that if no action is taken against Clinton top members of the FBI will supposedly resign and share the info with the public.

a reply to: Xcathdra

I have seen comments that if no action is taken against Clinton top members of the FBI will supposedly resign and share the info with the public.

Let's say this happens. The FBI finds enough evidence to support an indictment and pushes to have the Hildebeast charged. The AG/DOJ declines and those in the FBI go ahead resign and publish what they've found to the public.

If the governmental body in charge of charging those responsible for these crimes decides not to do it's job, what recourse is left to the public?

If no one wants to hold her accountable, and she is still allowed to continue on her road to the presidency, what can be done?

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

If no one wants to hold her accountable, and she is still allowed to continue on her road to the presidency, what can be done?

A special prosecutor could be appointed.

If nothing is done, people would lose faith in the government.... if they had any left.

originally posted by: Chadwickus
a reply to: DJW001

Americans may have had enough of the democrats though..

yeah.....republicans have been in control of the senate and the house and have 31 out of 50 state governors....yeah right, it's those democrats, not the other way around. when you are in the majority, place the blame where it is due, the republicans that have been in office all this time.

a reply to: butcherguy

A special prosecutor could be appointed.

And who is it that would be appointing this special prosecutor?

The same person who has appointed the ones in the DOJ?

originally posted by: queenofswords

The one thing I have been confused about is the "why" by Obama for not appointing an official standing IG for Hillary's State Department. The acting IG has a lot of controversy surrounding him, and did not do the kind of oversight he should have done.

Is Obama smarter than the Clintons? Did he give her and Bill just enough rope to hang themselves? Or...was Obama part and parcel of their scheme.

I'm leaning more toward 21st century style espionage. I hope James Comey and his team have the right stuff.

I'll go a step further.

I suspect Obama is involved with the "possible" espionage !!!!

And I think he and his ilk were/are so arrogant, they never thought this would come out in the open like it has.

! ! ! !

a reply to: jimmyx

But Republicans have had zero to do with the Democrat Obama Administration that 100% controls the Secretary of State.

Democrats *OWN* the whole Hillary thing top to bottom (mostly bottom).

originally posted by: jadedANDcynical
a reply to: butcherguy

A special prosecutor could be appointed.

And who is it that would be appointing this special prosecutor?

The same person who has appointed the ones in the DOJ?

Congress can appoint special prosecutors in cases like this. They usually referred to as 'Independent Counsels' because the appointment usually arises because of conflicts of interest like we may have here.
Wikipedia: Special Prosecutors

a reply to: jadedANDcynical

They would not intervene as it would be Federal activity. It would be more like a transfer of custody.

a reply to: ignorant_ape

I am a 21+ year federal officer. Got a little more insight than the general populace whom most of which are living in their parent's basement pontificating on subjects they haven't the first clue of. I also know where they keep the #1 subject matter of this site.