The Myth of the Benevolent Left

Fail.

Any kind of claims to morality or ethics require voting for and supporting EVIDENCED policies that help the disadvantaged and generally all citizens, not just the ultra rich. It is demonstrable that more liberal policies do so, and are supported by far more relevant research than conservative ones.

In fact, it can be shown that a lot of right wing policies have little evidence to back them up, and frequently are based on mythology, tradition, and fear.

Right wing policies generally help the elite, and no one else.

People like you completely overlook the fact that right wing policies inevitably lead to the ultra wealthy and elite creating exploitative, extractive systems that harm virtually everyone else, from the poor to upper middle class and even possibly the lower end wealthy. They buy out all of the politicians and lie to citizens like you so that you will vote and support them having business systems that let them extract all capital from society without sharing in it with the millions of people who make it possible and also work hard. While they do so, and basically take ALL of the wealth from a society of people all working to create it, people like you scream about a tyrannical government and how "those poor billionaires earned all that money, and how dare anybody question how equitable the sharing of dividends is."

The best of you are brainwashed or ignorant. The worst of you malicious shills for the oligarchy.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

In fact, it can be shown that a lot of right wing policies have little evidence to back them up, and frequently are based on mythology, tradition, and fear.

Name the policies please.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I think Left Wing policies have created more international billionaires than Right Wing policies.

And it seems many Left Wing billionaires are vocal about general politics and social issues.

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

There is always a difference in personalities of people, whatever their political beliefs, and their political doctrines.


The fact remains the left in theory supports the idea of being compassionate to people as a political action which is quite separate from any personality traits one has.


The fact remains progressive doctrine tries to make life easier for the poor and downtrodden as a political action.


That doesn't make them better than right wingers just their methodology is more compassionate in results


The fact remains the right wing doctrine in comparison to left doctrine leaves little for compassion and empathy


Right wingers may be decent people its just that their political doctrine is immoral, selfish, and self defeating in the long run and just so happens to favor the elite rich.


All this has nothing to do with personalities


A hungry man will take food for his children from anyone

originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

I think Left Wing policies have created more international billionaires than Right Wing policies.

And it seems many Left Wing billionaires are vocal about general politics and social issues.

They exist, without a doubt.

However, simply look at right wing versus left wing policies. It's NOT about whether or not rich people exist, it is about whether or not lower and middle class people have education, health, political, environmental, economic justice (such as social mobility or a living wage).

Look at the right. They are consistently across the last 100 years trying to suppress labor rights, organizing, increasing the minimum wage, etc etc. They also are FOR cutting taxes on the wealthy. Under liberals, including in the 50's and 60's when we had one of the most equitable growth periods in US history, the tax system for the top bracket was around 95%, and they were STILL wealthy.

The right wing rolled that all back mostly starting in the 80's onwards.

A healthy society is one that invests in all people, including through things like education and health care for all. A healthy society is one where there is a reasonably equitable share of the dividends produced by the economy, not just the rich getting wealthier.

For example, it is a fact that the average productivity of workers has increased exponentially since the 60's. Adjusting for inflation, real wages have fallen since the 60's. The ONLY income bracket that has increased in purchasing power or standard of living is the wealthy. Not the middle class.

Good liberal policies mitigate this and enforce a more reasonable and JUST sharing model of economy.

Only a brainwashed or very greedy person thinks it's actually reasonable for all the fruits of our economy to go to a tiny fraction of the people.

With the rise of on line activity, I think we're seeing an increase of arm-chair activism.

It's emotional-based, not result-based.

It's just enough to tweet that you care. The effort goes into telling people that you care, versus actually going out to care.

Someone asked on here which right wing policies are not supported by evidence.

Trickle down economics.

Virtually every single environmental policy.

Cutting taxes on the job creators to stimulate the economy and create jobs. Really no evidence for it.

Fighting against any real wage increases that account for inflation and also vast increase in worker productivity. Wages should be much higher as a share of the economic production. Economists agree...

Universal health care or single payer. This one is one the Democrats too failed on.

Most right wing American foreign policy. Completely immoral and even war crime levels. (Iraq War, torture). The Democrats also fail on this. But the Democrats are NOT "left," they are center or center right.

The right wing consistently ignores the massive pile of research across virtually every single field regarding the causes and solutions to poverty. Literally not one single field agrees with them.... Instead they say it is about meritocracy and hard work (the first of which has been thoroughly debunked by again leading experts from sociology to economics).

Social conservatives base their views on tradition and religion, and usually nothing to do again with relevant social science research. So again, policy not based on anything objective. For example, gay marriage has zero evidence showing it is negative, but yet conservatives claim it is, with appeals to religion, tradition, and authority.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Yea lets looks at right wing and left wing policy's, how about we start with energy, you know the cause for most wars and even more so a huge impact on climate! The right wing supports nuclear energy, which could transform our world and ultimately has very few risks, with numbers of actual dead from even the worst disasters paling in comparison to those of coal or gas.

the fact that other clean energies really aren't clean, that they are intermentent and essiantially become gas extensions, thus increasing co2 . The truth is the progressive left has eat this bull# and hyperbole(nuclear energy is bad bad bad) up !

if you were real environmentalists or really cared about any humans you would be leading the charge to transfer and retrofit to 4th generation reactors and away from fossil fuels, but no, like ignorant curmudgeons you eat up your masters propaganda, who sadly and almost ironically are the fossil fuel energy companies. Do not even start on left right policy's and you know what stop calling people shills who disagree with you learn to have respect.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Has the "War On Poverty" been won?

Has policy written to combat poverty, terror, drugs been successful?

A couple of points:

The people in Denmark live under what is known as left wing policies and it has worked for them

Where is a country in the world where we can say they live under right-wing doctrines and are very happy?



It doesn’t have to be a be and end all proposition.

Some conservative right-wing policies have merit but when it comes to compassion and the basic reality of caring for the welfare of human beings, right wing doctrine just falls short.

Maybe some ideas of crime prevention, not the NAZI stuff, and cultural values may be valuable right wing values.

The idea we can do anything we want in terms of personal morality: sex, drugs, and rock n roll is something some left wingers have gone too far on, granted, so its not that all left dogma is useful but much of it when it comes to feeding children, providing justice and jobs for all, moderating greed is very moral doctrinally.

All that doesn’t have to have nothing to do with the personal morals of whoever believes and politically practices this.

This has a values content to it but also a thinking content.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Look at Baltimore, Detroit, Washington DC etc. The left have been in charge of those cities for over 50 years. How well have their policies helped the poor ?

a reply to: Willtell

If the OP has taught us anything, it's that actually feeding a hungry family will have more impact for the hungry family than spending a few hours blogging about a politician who promises to feed a hungry family.

In the former, a hungry family is fed, in the latter, a fat politician gets more money.

Yum!

If I could give this thread 1000 thumbs up I would. I would say "spot on", but "Nuclear Bomb" describes it better.

UBER S&F....

a reply to: LesMisanthrope

If these people are so benevolent why do they insist on me being their personal slave with unequal rights?

The left has confused generosity with coveting and jealousy while on a power trip. Its not actually generous to envy that other people have done well for them self financially, then pry away their property as if it were theirs, and use it for their personal causes as if they can better allocate other people's money to charity better than the people who are being taxed.

The left prays to another God named "the government" for all of their needs and to keep them safe, just as if it were a cult, which is is because it shares all the same features as a cult including the worshiping of false idols like the US flag, singing songs of praise, and as it is called praying to judges for relief of their concerns.

The social contract is non-existent. I do not have a signed written contract to give people money for food stamps, nor a contract to take other people's money and use it for my own personal causes like the IRS does.

If you are going to tax me, then I demand full say on how my tax money is spent. As it stands, I have zero say. Zero. So, I do not consider myself a citizen but rather an exploited slave. I'm glad liberals are such happy slaves, but I wish they would leave me alone.

a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

In my perspective it is not a matter of left or right-wing policies anymore. The whole left-wing/right-wing debate is futile because...and now listen closely, please:

We all live in captalism-land, which is just this: An unlawfull and un-scientifically justified ecconomical system that is defended and sustained by both partys, left AND right.

How and by what reasonable and just law can private ownership of property, any property, be justified?

That is THE philosphical question regarding the capitalistic ecconomical system, that is not answered properly yet by any of both partys, without using mere propaganda to justify its existence.

originally posted by: DBCowboy
a reply to: Quetzalcoatl14

Has the "War On Poverty" been won?

Has policy written to combat poverty, terror, drugs been successful?

We've spent well over $20 trillion to that end.

Another $20 trillion should do twice as much good.

a reply to: greencmp

Government has taught us that spending money = caring.

Nowadays I see the "Left" as a totalitarian Globalist Marxist influenced and politically psychotic cult of personality.

I know that sounds harsh. I don't think MOST mean harm. I just think the end results to their philosophies cause more suffering and harm on a magnitude of X10, than they even ponder as a potential.

"The road the Hell is paved with good intention"

That quote for me describes the "Left" the best.

Cool ideas, nice people mostly, but pure CHAOS as an end result. It's become intolerable for me at this point. I refuse to give one inch to them now, more so than ever. They've worn me down to where I have zero empathy or understanding for their views.

a reply to: DBCowboy

Only 1 of those is a lefty policy...

And since LBJ poverty had reduced by 5% even with a population increase and the inflation rate making the money worth a lot less.


WOD & WOT are both massive failures from Nixon & Bush Jr respectively.