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A federal grand jury has indicted Cliven Bundy and four others for leading a 2014 standoff with unconstitutional federal agencies at the Bundy Ranch.
Bundy, along with his sons Ammon and Ryan, Ryan Payne and Pete Santilli are facing charges of conspiracy to commit an offense against the United States, conspiracy to impede or injure a federal officer, using and carrying a firearm in relation to a crime of violence, assault on a federal officer, threatening a federal law enforcement officer, obstruction of the due administration of justice, interference with interstate commerce by extortion, and interstate travel in aid of extortion.
According to the DOJ release, the maximum penalties for the charges issued are:
Conspiracy to Commit an Offense Against the U.S. – 5 years, $250,000 fine
Conspiracy to Impede and Injure a Federal Law Enforcement Officer – 6 years, $250,000 fine
Assault on a Federal Law Enforcement Officer – 20 years, $250,000 fine
Threatening a Federal Law Enforcement Officer – 10 years, $250,000 fine
Use and Carry of a Firearm in Relation to a Crime of Violence – 5 years minimum and consecutive
Obstruction of the Due Administration of Justice – 10 years, $250,000 fine
Interference with Interstate Commerce by Extortion – 20 years, $250,000 fine
Interstate Travel in Aid of Extortion – 20 years, $250,000 fine
Editor’s Note: If convicted on all counts, these men could face up to 96 years in prison and/or up to $1.75 million in fines. Would a conviction on all counts and maximum sentence really surprise anyone?
originally posted by: xuenchen
All part of the ongoing psy-ops.
The stigmatizing and stereotyping will continue.
I still think most of this entire episode was achieved through clever infiltration and use of informants through blackmail.
A lot more at stake than they want us to automatically believe.
originally posted by: Informer1958
Who used force? Who used violence? Did the court order demand that cattle be slaughtered? Did the court order that snipers be put into place and an army of hundreds of armed federal agents surround American citizens? Again, who was using force? Who committed acts of violence?
Was it not the DC government acting in violation of the Constitution’s requirement regarding ownership and control of land? I think it was.
originally posted by: Jonjonj
a reply to: Informer1958
Does the US actually give these sentences consecutively or concurrently? I don't know about sentencing in the US but in the UK consecutive sentences are very rare, if they still exist.
If they are concurrent of course then only the higher sentence is served, which is why I ask.
Use and Carry of a Firearm in Relation to a Crime of Violence – 5 years minimum and consecutive
originally posted by: xuenchen
a reply to: Boadicea
Good point.
Plea bargains would keep the evidence out of the public eye.
They have a well orchestrated plan.
“This indictment sends a resounding message to those who wish to participate in violent acts that our resolve to pursue them and enforce the law remains unwavering,” said Special Agent in Charge Bucheit.
No, the indictment sends a message that DC is engaged in a tyrannical overthrow of the Constitution and will put men in jail on trumped up charges when all they were doing was seeking to expose the criminals and uphold the Constitution.
“Today marks a tremendous step toward ending more than 20 years of law breaking,” said Bureau of Land Management Director Neil Kornze. “The nation’s public lands belong to all Americans.”
This is not about bringing law breaking to an end. It’s about those engaged in crime at the DC level attempting to silence those who are exposing their crimes.
What's this whining about court orders during the hold out? The courts aren't responsible for bringing lawbreakers to justice. The police are. The courts just determine guilt after the fact.
I think you are wrong and misinformed about how the Constitution works.
At least one federal judge understood the law breaking of the Bureau of Land Management and in his opinion of United States v. Estate of Hage, U.S. District Court Judge Robert C. Jones revealed the criminal actions of the BLM against Nevada rancher E. Wayne Hage. Judge Jones held “government officials” in contempt and referred the issued to Eric Holder’s office. We all know what happened… nothing.
For over 20 years, the Bureau of Land Management engaged in a “literal, intentional conspiracy” against Nevada ranchers to force them out of business, according to a federal judge whose court opinion exposes the BLM’s true intent against rancher Cliven Bundy.
BLM agents who impounded Cliven Bundy’s cattle.
“Based upon E. Wayne Hage’s declaration that he refused to waive his rights — a declaration that did not purport to change the substance of the grazing permit renewal for which he was applying, and which had no plausible legal effect other than to superfluously assert non-waiver of rights — the Government denied him a renewal grazing permit based upon its frankly nonsensical position that such an assertion of rights meant that the application had not been properly completed,” Judge Jones wrote. “After the BLM denied his renewal grazing permit for this reason by letter, the Hages indicated that they would take the issue to court, and they sued the Government in the CFC [Court of Federal Claims.]”
And at that point, Jones explained, the BLM refused to consider any further applications from Hage.
“The entire chain of events is the result of the Government’s arbitrary denial of E. Wayne Hage’s renewal permit for 1993–2003, and the effects of this due process violation are continuing,” he stated.
“This behavior shocks the conscience of the Court and provides a sufficient basis for a finding of irreparable harm to support the injunction described at the end of this Order,”
It’s shocking because these men should have been upholding the law, but instead, turned against the American people and acted in a criminal fashion.
anything else for that matter, through the conventional means of the past.
This is 2016 Everybody. This isn't your fathers government.
originally posted by: Informer1958
a reply to: Krazysh0t
What's this whining about court orders during the hold out? The courts aren't responsible for bringing lawbreakers to justice. The police are. The courts just determine guilt after the fact.
I think you are wrong and misinformed about how the Constitution works.
No sir. It is you that does not understand the issue here or the Constitution.
The fact is, It is not up to police or the Feds to decide who is guilty of crimes. That is why we have Courts.
I didn't read your external quote because at no point did I ever imply or say that the police or the feds determined guilt.
What's this whining about court orders during the hold out? The courts aren't responsible for bringing lawbreakers to justice. The police are. The courts just determine guilt after the fact.