Hollande Threatens to Suspend EU Nations with Right-Wing Government

This is such irony.

Hollande wants to suspend Poland for its democratically elected government, for reason of "violating democracy".

EU nations with far-right in power could be suspended: Hollande

EU leadership divided over Poland and how to respond to new government

Mr Duda said the reforms – which include the right to fire public media bosses and the appointment of new judges – are “nothing exceptional” and simply the product of a change of government. However, the opened a new rift with Brussels on migration – saying refugees should be allowed to go wherever they like.

Migrants fleeing Syria should "have the choice of country of destination and enjoy the freedom of movement", Mr Duda said. That flies in the face of the EU's plan to redistribute migrants around the bloc by mandatory quotas, which Mr Juncker wants to make permanent.

On Friday, Mr Juncker blamed the refugees for “rather arrogantly” thinking they can choose where to go on arriving in Europe, with most determined to reach Germany and highly resistant to being sent to the poor east.

Once again, it comes down to the refugees. Duda does not want refugees coming to Poland. If they have the choice, they will not go to Poland. This is why he does not want the quotas what will put refugees in Poland whether anybody likes it or not. It is a rule for benefit of wealthier countries like Germany, which is having a major crisis of too many refugees.

European Nationalism is rising higher and higher, considerably as response to refugees. EU does not like this, so instead of maybe trying to fix the problem and working to help the native people of Europe, they will rather disown any country who disagrees with the status quo. It's kinda like "do as we say or suffer consequences" and "it's only democracy if you agree with us".

It is like they are ignoring the actual reasons for stronger European Nationalism. I am not sure for certain, but I suspect Poland's government will not mind if they are disowned from the EU. Most right-wing European people do not like the EU, for a lot of reasons.

I say the US suspends the EU

a reply to: Helicopter

It's kinda like "do as we say or suffer consequences" and "it's only democracy if you agree with us".

Is there anywhere in this world where that statement does not stand true ?

Well a lot of people are now classed as "far right" ever since this migrant madness started, it is now so socially unacceptable to say anything about a person of non European heritage regardless if you are stating a facts or not. People are frustrated and Governments if they have a ounce of savvy will follow suit, the goal posts are moving quickly..

People are really fed up, on a personal note it is now a flat 2 week wait to see my doctor due to how over subscribed the practice is and my location is a area of massive migrant population explosion, and do not get me started on the local school situation..

I really wish I could pick and choice what country to reside in, rather than proving I will not be a burden to the state and making sure I have a copius amount of money to fund myself, oh to also prove I have adequate education or skills in a certain field for long term employment and that is before doing all the real paperwork to gain my visas..

Yet Europe is expected to let people in that are not fleeing a war and are simply economic migrants (for the most part), what job will they do?, what can they offer the local population?, will they intergrate and how will they cope with not speaking the native language and will they be able to totally change their ways due to the cultural difference with the local population??...

These are all questions that are being asked and quite rightly so but then these questions now make you "right wing" a "Nazi" etc etc etc ,...



RA

Step #1. Bombard cultures and nations with foreign invaders.

Step #2 Enjoy cheap labor for some, cheap votes for others.

Step #3 Stand back in shock as people realize they are being uprooted from their own neighborhoods

Step #4 Tell them to shut up if they don't WELCOME their own destruction

Step #5 Call them Racists and Bigots...as they move to the "Right" (Now known as wanting enforced Immigration laws)

Step #6 Try and outlaw Democracy when all else fails

Step #7 Possible war and you swinging from gallows

a reply to: BatheInTheFountain

Pretty much covers all the bases.
Perhaps the Poles have been paying attention to the behaviour of certain migrants in places that they chose to be, like Sweden and Germany.
I bet they can predict how that behaviour might become more widespread among migrants who are forced into places they do not want to be.
It doesn't take a genius.
Besides, Merkel welcomed them entirely without discussions with anyone.
Now shes upset people won't have discussions with her.
Priceless.

a reply to: Helicopter

I think it is worth noting that this situation was bound to come about eventually.

However, it was not a foregone conclusion for the reasons many will assume. First of all, the mewling of centrist and allegedly left wing governments, about the plight of those arriving from elsewhere is rather hypocritical, since many of those governments helped drive the circumstances which have lead to the arrival of these individuals in the first place. Unlike the voting public, governments in Europe have contributed to the situations which drove people from their homes. Some governments did not do enough early enough, to prevent circumstances getting out of hand in the home nations of those who have left to come here. Some did an awful lot, all the wrong stuff, and lots of it, making money for their nations in the process, by the usual war routes of benefiting from conflict. Arms manufacturers and brokers have made mints in the last little while, and we all know how that goes.

The left in Europe is an underrepresented minority in practice, because those in government, generally speaking, are either centrist, or simply calling themselves left leaning in order that their actually quite right wing authoritarian nonsense, does not attract the usual dose of lead up the tail pipe, that it would otherwise deserve.

Let us be clear. Far right politics is about hate. That is all it is. Right wing politics that has not extended out to the edge of the compass is another matter entirely, but I hardly think that someone who opposes the idea that immigrants should be free to travel, can stand there and call others far right, or extremist, or anything else for that matter.

Now, Hungary has a far right leadership, who tolerate and even promote the existence of far right extremist organisations within their shores. Personally speaking, I believe that sort of thing is an absolute disgrace, and shows a distinct lack of respect for the lives that were spent ridding Europe of facist rule many moons ago, since no matter how one erroneously describes the Nazi party, they were in practice a far right organisation, in terms of the methodology. They also hid their true intent from the masses by dressing themselves up as socialists, but frankly, the only people who fell for it, then and now, have all the wit of a baked potato, and their opinions are worth nothing in a comprehensive and accurate study of things.

In my opinion, far right politics have no place in our century, for any reason, under any guise, and no matter how dressed up. No matter how reasonable a group of concerns may be, a far right reaction to them is never going to be effective, reasonable, or capable of actually operating a plan to solve the problem, without giving rise to war and bloodshed for all the wrong reasons.

That being said, Hollande is a hypocrite. If he gave a rats behind about immigration, he and the other leaders behind his latest utterance (for he will not be alone in this) would have sent intelligence operatives with instructions to independently hunt down, and kill every IS leader they could find, destroy every depot of fuel, wreck every convoy across the sands, and butcher, maim, and terrify the enemies of freedom, using collateral free methods. Surgical precision, small arms only, zero visible presence, total dominance from the shadows. That way, the problem would have been dealt with, fewer bombs would have been dropped, and the vast majority of these individuals could have stayed at home.

As it is they all either ignored the problem, or elected to send planes, or leave the Russians to bomb the place, collecting collateral kills by the boatload, and taking out the wrong factions more often than not as well.

Having helped to make the mess, Hollande and the rest of the leaders in the west, whose nations , let's not forget, have been profiting from war around the world for DECADES, have no right to lambast other nations for pointing out the double standard at play in controlling which nations a migrant might go to. The fact that there are camps is bad enough. Where will the trains go next, I wonder?

To be frank, the far right, where they do exist, where that inherently xenophobic bunch of cretins can be found, can collectively wrap themselves in swastikas and set fire to themselves for all I care for them. But when they do, I hope they take Hollande and company with them, because the leadership in Europe is a bloody shambles these days. Either all testicles or no balls what so ever, and no happy balance what so ever. Bloody fools the lot of them.

a reply to: TrueBrit

originally posted by: TrueBrit
That being said, Hollande is a hypocrite. If he gave a rats behind about immigration, he and the other leaders behind his latest utterance (for he will not be alone in this) would have sent intelligence operatives with instructions to independently hunt down, and kill every IS leader they could find, destroy every depot of fuel, wreck every convoy across the sands, and butcher, maim, and terrify the enemies of freedom, using collateral free methods. Surgical precision, small arms only, zero visible presence, total dominance from the shadows.

That is exactly what German intelligence called for YEARS ago!

Some well placed cloak-and-dagger-ops combined with severing the financial lines that feed islamic radicals... only to be told to shut up by the "old guard" in BND and MAD - that are in bed with the U.S.

Problem is... we would have to send our monkeywrenches into Saudi Arabia. Can't have that. Can't even openly criticise our Saudi "friends"... the U.S. won't have it. Prime example: Siegmar Gabriel in March 2015.

*They warned about the Saudi's new King Salman... they also warned about Turkey's Erdogan. Looks like they were right - but no one listened.

originally posted by: Gothmog
I say the US suspends the EU

What that even meant to mean?

a reply to: ColCurious

People like to ignore the fact that it is western foreign policy in the Middle East that lead to this situation, this migration, and to the wars which drive it. The west funded and equipped rebels to fight the soviets, the rebels fought the soviets back, and instead of returning the lands under their care to the peaceful advancing state they had been in before, they took those places back to the Stone Age, and bastardised a culture and religion in the process.

Then, for decades, we tried to influence other groups, using the same tactics, training, supplying, funding. And then they turned upon us once again. And we kept doing it, and doing it and doing it. Like burning rainforests down, or pouring waste into our rivers, we polluted a region with radicals and propaganda for so long, that matters passed the point of no return, and we have the gall to complain at the results?

Our leaders and their predecessors should be ashamed of themselves, despondent and suicidal, wracked with grief that forces their eyes to tears so numerous that their tear ducts run with blood from the strain they are under. And yet they have no such marks upon them, they are upheld as peacemakers and benefactors, the pillars which hold aloft the sky. A damned pox upon the lot of them. Their hubris and stupidity have damned generations and there has been nothing like a reckoning on that matter yet.

a reply to: TrueBrit

But you talk as though our leaders are human beings with human feelings.
They are not.
I'm starting to wonder if David Icke was right and its time for a lizard hunt.
You don't get to rule over others using humanity and logic. You have to be nasty, sneaky, dishonest and ruthless. Any statements from Hollande or any EU big wig are pure theatre designed to produce a required effect.
We do not enter into the equation.

Poland has always been a thorn in the side of totalitarians who wish to dominate and control Europe. Be it communists or true fascists. If anyone believes they can intimidate or bully this proud nation, think again.

originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: ColCurious

People like to ignore the fact that it is western foreign policy in the Middle East that lead to this situation, this migration, and to the wars which drive it.

That may be the case for a certain percentage but what about the number of migrants from Ghana, Algeria, Marocco, Pakistan, Nigeria, Eretrea, Somalia etc etc and before that Albania and Bosnia..

The middle east situation is the "excuse" that many have made to try and gain access to Europe Illegally, what right does someone from any of the countries listed above (Apart from Bosnia) to a free passage into the Euro zone without proper papers and checks??... The average Euro Joe should not be punished with cultural genocide due to the short sightedness of a few leaders, that is the reason you are now seeing countries taking a "far right" stand regarding the matter and the reason why people are joining groups that are anti immigration. The flood gates are open and now the pressure is to great to close it and the average person is awake to that fact..

RA

a reply to: slider1982

What about our destruction of their local markets? So you'd expect them to simply roll over and die?

“Economic negotiations should not destroy what has been built up on the other side in the Development Ministry”, the German government’s Africa Commissioner Günter Nooke commented in an interview with German public broadcaster ARD on Tuesday (4 November).

www.euractiv.com...

Besides.. who said "eff the EU"?
Looks like the coup in Ukraine played out as planned...

The flood gates are open and now the pressure is to great to close it and the average person is awake to that fact..

Well. Go and figure!

a reply to: slider1982

Well Pakistan is afflicted by cross border spread of the disease that the west and Russia helped inflict upon the Middle East, Somalia has become ever more sectarian and violent since the Mid East sprung to fire and damnation, largely because piracy and smuggling operations there help fund the terror, as part of the wider network of chaos that was set up to feed the insanity in the Middle East.

Inspired by the same ideals, maniacs in Nigeria have started their own off shoot organisations in emulation of those in the Middle East, so whether they have direct ties or a partnership, the whole viral element of this disease has the same source. You could look at Nigeria being an example of how this disease became airborne and crossed borders without a host to spread it. As for Morocco, it shares a border with Spain of course, but it is the borders to the east, Algeria being one, which shares a border with other afflicted nations, that one would want to pay attention to.

In order to understand the disease, you have to understand the carriers. In this instance, the nations you mention were already hotbeds of violence to a degree, rebellions, tribal wars, struggle, after conflict, after struggle, after conflict. The individuals affected by this, including many orphans, would have been easily led by any individual or ideology which appeared in their eyes to hand them power, and use it against their foemen.

If you look at the Middle East and North Africa on a map, then you ought to cease wondering why things progress the way they do, and why these things spread they way they do, especially if you look into the history and culture of the regions involved. There is much mental trauma in those histories, and like any indoctrination, the sort which creates radicalism starts with breaking people down. In nations where people are already broken down, recruiters have a much easier time, because the hard work is done by the time they arrive. All they need to do is hand a man an enemy, and a gun, and watch them go to work. It is a little more complicated than that, but that's the basic principle involved.

Add it all together, and the picture of the drivers of migration away from some nations, toward others become much clearer, not to mention far less confusing. Let's face it, many of those who have escaped a nation which is no longer constantly in the news, will have escaped circumstances every bit as bad as those in Syria, Libya, Iraq and the like. The only difference is that their circumstances are far from the media eye. If we had the same constant mill of news from those places, as we do from the Middle East, it would be far easier for people to accept that many of these individuals are genuinely leaving their home nations because those nations have become places where their religious beliefs, their freedom, their very lives are in danger of being terminated.

a reply to: TrueBrit

People like to ignore the fact that it is western foreign policy in the Middle East that lead to this situation, this migration, and to the wars which drive it.

It is not as straight forward as that. How often does it need be said that the majority of refugees are not even fleeing from a warzone. And why wasn´t there a mass influx of refugees in the past decades when wars were going on? It is all orchestrated.

And even if this is all caused by western foreign policy, does this mean that we europeans should therefore welcome our own destruction. I think not.

a reply to: DutchMasterChief

It is called reaping what is sown. You do not get a choice in the matter, none of us do, or ought to. It was our duty to elect leaders who would do better with the power we gave to them, and it was their duty to do better. Both we, and our leaders, have failed over successive decades, to properly address the situation, so it is not realistic to suggest that we can merely roll our shoulders and be free of our failures.

We must either correct the damage that our leaders hubris has done, or provide somewhere safe for those who are victims of the worst knock on effects. Honour, as much as necessity, demands it, aside from the fact that it is also the right thing to do. If I burn down your house and do not go to jail, the least I can do is put you up at my place, and lend a hand in the rebuild.

a reply to: DeadAgain

I for one have nothing but respect for the Polish.

It is a shame that they and specifically Sosabowski never really got the credit they deserved for their role in WW2 and liberating my country.

a reply to: TrueBrit

BS, it was mainly the UK and the US that were destabilising these countries, and they both are not taking in these refugees, at least not a significant part.

Again you ignore that that the majority of refugees is NOT fleeing from a warzone.

I love it how you are arguing that we should take in these refugees when your country is not willing to take them even though you were one of the biggest players in these wars you speak of.

a reply to: DutchMasterChief

And I speak out against my governments stance on these issues fairly regularly. They have been instrumental in causing the trouble, and their attitude to its effects is utterly disgusting.