Why and what for is prayer and bowing to a deity is needed IF there is a loving god who takes care?

originally posted by: Willingly
a reply to: Pinocchio


What about my suffering fellow mammals, who don't live as comfortable as I do? Should I give thanks and praises for the suffering and pain they experience too?

I pretty much don't think so!

What about doing something about it if it bothers you. You can join one of many groups that are trying to help animals and or donate to them. You could even go to the shelters and volunteer helping abused animals become comfortable with humans again. And if you pray for guidance and strength.. you very well might find these gifts!

a reply to: peppycat

My job is exposing fake god-concepts. And that's what I do....without being paid for it, of course.

a reply to: Willingly Well, I will pray for the ones your are trying to spread lies to. Followers of Christ or true Christians aren't going to effected by what you are trying to do.
As for why do people bow or fall to their knees... you would to in the presence of The Almighty even though you don't believe in Him.
Mark 3:11
"And whenever the unclean spirits saw him, they fell before him and cried out, ''you are the son of God.''
Even evil spirits fell before Christ.
As for the presence of the Creator,
Exodus 33:20
But'' he said,'' you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.''
God the Creator has such a powerful presence, we can't even look at him without dying. I would be burying my face in the dirt on my knees in His presence.

a reply to: peppycat

I agree people forget God when things are going well.

Apart from a relationship with God through Christ, other than for salvation I don't think God is obligated to answer a prayer of an unsaved person.

If in Christ God is still not obligated to answer our prayers. However we are told the prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

I was just clarifying how men are accepted of God nothing about you personally or what you said.

All relationships with God or Christ are only different in that we are different types of people. But the way to get that relationship is by faith in the word of Christ cross.

love ya.

a reply to: peppycat

IF there is a God, I don't think that God is neccessarily of male gender. Like it is almost always called "him" by some. IF there is a God, I would think of that God as some...well...he/she/it kinda thingy. But that's just me. I don't like the god-concept that refers to "God" as he or him only. Guess why.

a reply to: ChesterJohn

I already re-wrote that Jesus Christ died that horrorble death at the cross. He did not, in my book. His copy-cat, some other dude who copied him ,died at the cross. That's how the storys goes in MY book.

That's my job too...to write and re-write. I'm a writer...I went all the way, by the way.

originally posted by: Willingly
a reply to: Klassified

I have no idea why you wellcome me back. I've never been here before. Anyway...

I re-phrase my question:

IF there is a God, what for and why would that God want to be worshipped, bowed to, prayed to, IF that God is allmighty, allknowing, all powerfull, loving, caring, etc.? Wouldn't that be unneccessary, given all those attributes are what God is all about?

Imagine: That God you worship comes here and tells you, "please don't worship me. That's not neccessary. Just be nice and helpfull to your fellow human beings, if they deserve it. That's it. I just hang around here to tell you you don't have to bow to me or worship me. I rather bow to you, my dear devotee."

Wouldn't that be a much more logical and reasonable relationship between some God and its devotee?

You're looking at it from a secular perspective. From a religious perspective, worship is an acknowledgement of the author of life. It is a respect and reverence of the sovereignty of god over creation. Giving honor and thanks is a common courtesy among humans. Is not god even more deserving of such? It isn't that god needs your prayers, or your worship. It is you who needs to do these things as a human. It's innate in us. You were created for gods pleasure. Life isn't about you. It's about god.

I could go on, but that gives you a glimpse into the religious mind as opposed to the secularist mind.

a reply to: ChesterJohn Thank you ChesterJohn. I wasn't sure if you were writing in general, thank for clarifying and your words are definitely true!

a reply to: Klassified

Why do you think I'm of a secular mind-set only?

a reply to: Willingly One my journey through life and towards Jesus, I had problems with referring to God as male.
A friend of mine told me to think of God as the parent. He had done a lot of studying into Hebrew texts and the old testament and told me that the Hebrews used two names for God, one female and one male.
Over time, I got over this problem and don't have a big problem referring to God as a him, but will call God a parent.
One of the things about taking the Lord to heart is to accept and realize that God created us.
I find comfort in existing, just being alive and I try to thank God as much as I can, just for existing and experiencing the gift of being alive now. Maybe the thought of absolute nothingness scares me.

a reply to: peppycat


Like I said before, I have absolutely nothing to do with the biblical god-concept.

And since I was parented properly by my parents, I don't have the need for a god-concept as parents. Sorry.

originally posted by: Willingly
a reply to: Klassified

Why do you think I'm of a secular mind-set only?

Because that's how your post came across to me. For the Christian, Muslim, Jew, etc. God is the sovereign father of all that exists, and deserves the respect and admiration due a deity-father, because he is perceived as a good father.

a reply to: Klassified

I don't have the need for a good father-god. I had a proper father. That's why, I guess.

And I don't need a god-father concept. Because that reminds of Don Corelone.

a reply to: Willingly Well, in starting this thread and participating , you do have something to do with God.
If you do not believe in God and are an atheist, why the need to discuss God? Why not just start a thread stating why you don't believe in God and state your facts?
I always wonder how an atheist is truly any atheist when they wish to discuss the very thing they don't believe in.

originally posted by: Willingly
a reply to: Klassified

I don't have the need for a good father-god. I had a proper father. That's why, I guess.

And I don't need a god-father concept. Because that reminds of Don Corelone.

It's a difference in perception. Those who have never been Christian, Muslim, or whatever, have a hard time grasping the concepts behind prayer and worship, but the bible is actually quite detailed about the purpose behind both. But to some degree it can be summed up in a scripture... James 4

8 Draw near to God and He will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

It isn't about the prayer and worship. It's about the relationship. The aforementioned are just 2 of the tools used to build it.

a reply to: peppycat

I'm not an atheist. And what the term "God" means, highly depends on the definition of that term. You wanna know how I define it? Just ask.

a reply to: Klassified

I do have a relationship with what I prefer to call The Divine.

a reply to: Willingly Okay I'm asking. What is your belief on "The Divine''?

a reply to: peppycat

I don't "believe" in The Divine. I know it's funny, cute, wise and dangerous for fake god-concepts. That's all.

a reply to: Willingly what's your relationship with what you prefer to call The Divine? And how do you define God? You said just ask and I am asking.