Recording of "outer space" music heard on Farside by Apollo 10 crew

Ask yourself, WHY do you believe it was the same sound heard from Saturn?

I've listened to a lot of recordings of things like Jupiter and pulsars. I think these audio recordings are fascinating and I am always intrigued by the mystery about what causes them.

I confess I don't know, and I'll leave it at that.

I'm a child of the Space Age. I WANT to believe.

a reply to: Riffrafter

Funny enough I thought this stuff was already dealt with on a previous NUF docu, including the 'music'.
But, since RT is saying these are the found tapes in their current page, I am presuming that what was heard before was an electronic simulation of what they heard, and probably not that far out anyway.
BBC Radiophonic Workshop now defunct, used all sorts of stuff for their effects years back, I think maybe a sine wave oscillator as well to get the 'spacey sounds'.
The thing is though, places like the Earth and probably the Moon have background Em radio waves which are in the acoustic frequency range, just not audible to us, convert them to sound waves, and you will hear them though, that's possibly, just possibly, what the Apollo 10 boyos heard amongst their own radio interference if they had all the necessary kit on board like a receiver, an antenna and a radio amplifier, amps can pick up unwanted sound at times.

is this what you guys are talking about?

saturn sounds

This is slowed down, not sure of the details anymore.

But it would seem to be something the astro's wouldn't hear without it being processed first.

originally posted by: burgerbuddy
is this what you guys are talking about?

saturn sounds

This is slowed down, not sure of the details anymore.

But it would seem to be something the astro's wouldn't hear without it being processed first.

That post right there would make me believe Apollo had a radio issue. I completely forgot that a lot of these sounds have to be processed in order to be heard.

a reply to: burgerbuddy

This version of those sounds blows me away. Whether or not it is what is claimed, is for others to decide I guess...or if we have any audio engineers here that can say if this indeed only "uniformly" adjusted by a factor of 5...

It's good to make a list of candidates first, but then you have to evaluate them technologically -- are the Saturn noises powerful enough to be heard in the Apollo radio gear? What would they sound like raw?

And what about Mike Collins' explanation in his 1976 book?

originally posted by: Riffrafter
adjusted by a factor of 5.

Adjusting by factor of 5 would mean the frequency is one fifth the original frequency.

If the lowest frequency is 310khz then 1/5 of that would be 62khz which is still 3 times outside the range of human hearing, so I'm assuming they reduced it by a higher factor in order to get into the 20hz - 20khz range of human being

Or my math is off but if 1/5 = 0.2 and 310 x 0.2 = 62 then it's not my math

a reply to: intergalactic fire

I don't know how to embed images but we really don't need another one of that bad hair and spray on tan to tell us that...
IT ALIENS...yep sure is...

The mission audio tapes as well as the transcript can found on the Apollo Flight Journal page here

history.nasa.gov...

originally posted by: Riffrafter
a reply to: burgerbuddy

This version of those sounds blows me away. Whether or not it is what is claimed, is for others to decide I guess...or if we have any audio engineers here that can say if this indeed only "uniformly" adjusted by a factor of 5...

There are differing sounds there mixed together, possibly, probably differing in their original higher frequencies.
My guess is that whoever played with what we here, already had all the sound components stepped down to begin with well into audible sound, then made a balance between the different sounds as you would a record.
The original signal is in the video at 1.36, that sound seems already factored down from inaudible+- to some degree, I've no idea how the original signals parameters are set with such sensitive equipment that would be used.
The chart only gives relative intensity of the signal from 0-30 decibels for human lugholes.
I wish I knew more, sound is a wonderful, but also powerful thing....but I digress there!

In edit I should say that the signal is possibly over a much longer period, I don't know, but if it is, much harder to make the raised tone analogy of speech given in the last part of the video. Maybe that meteorite was able to skip over the rings, creating a repetitive sound, a pattern.

originally posted by: intergalactic fire
Nasa claims they encountered the same noise/interference during the Cassini mission to Saturn.

"These are caused by charged particles moving through Saturn's magnetic environment "

-According to Saul's doppelganger(Kevin Grazier)


The astronauts don't agree though.

No wonder they don't agree as Saturn's rings are millions and millions of miles away and so it is actually impossible to record any audio from the rings when you are only on the far side of the moon. (Unless that is what he was referring to) The recordings from the rings contained a message in english when slowed way down, and that message is still available raw from NASA
By the way, Kevin "Crazier" is probably one of the most pompous asses of all planetary scientists, and everything he says is usually pretty self centered. He doesn't like it when other people announce things that he doesn't already know about and he usually tries to refute them.

The recordings from the rings contained a message in english when slowed way down, and that message is still available raw from NASA 

Link please.

People on here that have been HAM operators, or used them, surely have heard this kind of interference.
It is caused by VFO's out of synch, especially when they lose a primary signal and the superhet receiver increases the gain in an attempt to re-establish. The oscillators beat against each other out of phase.

I do not think it is that uncommon, however I was not there, and wonder if the sounds were different then what they presented on the show.

a reply to: Riffrafter

I used to have a car that made funny sounds one place I was at. With another car in the same place it made none of those sounds. There is a reason A11-17 never heard anything while of the rear of the moon (the backside which is not dark)

originally posted by: Lurker1
a reply to: JimOberg

You know, You're in the habit of being nasty to people because of your position. It isn't very attractive.

If it's two radios interacting then why is the same sound heard by Cassini at Saturn?

Star for you!! I 1000% agree with your assessment of Mr. Oberg. To think there are some with egos who makes Trump seem meek! :p

I don't understand why some folks ALWAYS have a "perfectly legit" reason for everything in this forum...And it's always that their view point is the only viewpoint allowed! Otherwise, you're just a crazy person.

No matter if they make it up and pull it outta their rear ends. You believe there was music in outer space?? You're totally nuts!

I saw the article and clip in the OP today as well. Idk about you, but I think I'll listen to the guys WHO WERE ACTUALLY UP THERE. You know, the astronauts who actually were on the mission, who actually traveled around the dark side of the moon, etc.

a reply to: lovebeck

( Actually a reply to Lurker1 )

If it's two radios interacting then why is the same sound heard by Cassini at Saturn?

It cannot be the same effect, since the Cassini incident was caused by Saturn's magnetic field, and the moon has no magnetic field. I also think that it is caused by VFO circuitry in the receivers.

originally posted by: lovebeck..... I think I'll listen to the guys WHO WERE ACTUALLY UP THERE. You know, the astronauts who actually were on the mission, who actually traveled around the dark side of the moon, etc.

Be my guest:

Michael Collins in ‘Carrying the Fire’ [1976].
Chapter 13, Page 420 (or there abouts depending on the edition of the book).:

There is a strange noise in my headset now, an eerie woo-woo sound. Had I not been warned about it, it would have scared the hell out of me. Stafford's Apollo 10 crew had first heard it, during their practice rendezvous around the Moon. Alone on the back side, they were more than a little surprised to hear a noise that John Young in the Command Module and Stafford in the LM each denied making. They gingerly mentioned it in their debriefing sessions, but fortunately the radio technicians (rather than the UFO fans) had a ready explanation for it: it was interference between the LM's and Command Module's VHF radios. We heard it yesterday when we turned our VHF radios on after separating the two vehicles, and Neil said that it 'sounds like wind whipping around the trees.' It stopped as soon as the LM got on the ground, and started up again just a short time ago. A strange noise in a strange place.

originally posted by: intergalactic fire
Nasa claims they encountered the same noise/interference during the Cassini mission to Saturn.

"These are caused by charged particles moving through Saturn's magnetic environment "

-According to Saul's doppelganger(Kevin Grazier)


The astronauts don't agree though.

...Waiting for Giorgio Tsoukalos...

part 2

Nice.

Just so some think I might be talking through a tinfoil hat, I have a lot of experience with VHF radio's in the service.
The VFO is an integral component of a superhetrodyne radio. In simple radios, the VFO it a single tuning mechanism (Variable Frequency Oscillator), that phases itself with the tuned signal.

In very complex and high quality radios (especially Military), there are multiple VFO's. The operator tunes in using the main frequency dial, and the VFO's on the sidebands attempt to pull the reception into the best tuning center it can be. When a signal is not present, these VFO's can fight each other trying to pull the signal to center and produce these kind of "singing" sounds. I have heard them thousands of times, and when hearing what they played into the video, it sounded just like some I have heard.

a reply to: charlyv

I thought the Cassini was from the rocks in Saturns ring hitting each other ?

The tones are emitted as radio waves. Don Gurnett of the University of Iowa says his team reduced their frequencies by a factor of five to bring them into the range of human hearing. Gurnett says he was "completely astonished" when he heard the musical notes. The tones are short, typically lasting between one and three seconds, and unlike the ethereal sliding tones associated with other cosmic processes, every one is quite distinct. The evidence suggests that each tone is produced by the impact of a meteoroid on the icy chunks that make up the rings. Each hit, Gurnett says, creates a pulse of energy that is focused along the surface of a cone from the point of impact. By estimating the energy involved, he calculates that the impacting objects are about 1 centimetre across - although he cautions that his estimate could be out by as much as a factor of 10. The findings were reported on Monday at the annual meeting of the American Astronomical Society's Division of Planetary Sciences.

Although there's 2 different recordings it seems, one for 22nd November one for 25th July, that I can find from quick searching

This is the 22nd November sounds which is different to the one posted some posts above

Time on this recording has been compressed, so that 73 seconds corresponds to 27 minutes. Since the frequencies of these emissions are well above the audio frequency range, we have shifted them downward by a factor of 44.

What I'm confused on though is the first video is supposedly shifted by a factor of 5, as I already proved that would make the sounds still impossible for human hearing, so I'm wondering if they've been altered by factor of 44 as that makes more sense. But why would they make the mistake of saying of factor of 5 ?