UK Referendum 23 June 2016 - Will it be an EU BREXIT or Not?

Typical......................


EU under fire from British expats left out of Brexit legal advice scheme

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Good luck with that! Trying to sell an exit (FAKEXIT) that has no door!


May letter aims to rally grassroots Tories to Chequers Brexit plan

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Another take...

Theresa May writes letter to Tory grassroots seeking support for Chequers plan

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Who can blame him being a high-profile supporter of Brexit!


Britain's wealthiest businessman Jim Ratcliffe is 'leaving the country and taking his £21bn fortune to Monaco'

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From the F.T


Ineos has asked the British government for financial support to help secure a new manufacturing plant in Hull that could “tilt the scales” against an alternative plan to build the facility in Belgium.

Talks between the petrochemicals company founded by billionaire businessman Sir Jim Ratcliffe and the government are taking place as businesses seek reassurance over investing in Britain.

Ineos, Britain’s largest privately owned company, is considering setting up the new £100m-plus facility either at its site at Antwerp in Belgium or at another existing site at Saltend in Hull.

“Any help would tilt the scales in favour of Hull,” said Tom Crotty, group director at Ineos.

Mr Crotty, who also chairs the CBI’s manufacturing council, added his voice to the Brexit debate when he said Ineos was concerned about the apparent absence of decision-making by government given its focus over Britain’s exit from the EU.

“[The] concern is less about Brexit and more that we have a government that can’t act because of Brexit,” he said
“This is a government that can’t take decisions on anything — not just Brexit,” he added, echoing concerns of executives at other industrial companies.

Ineos has benefited from government grants and loan guarantees in the past. The company moved its tax domicile back to the UK two years ago after quitting the country in 2010 after the then Labour government refused to postpone a VAT payment for six months.

Talks about the investment are continuing with the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy. Ineos expects to make a final decision on where to locate the facility within the next three to six months.


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I guess this is not surprising when you consider that the very same Brits suffer or have suffered more because of our foolhardy membership of the undemocratic EU.

In England's forgotten 'rust belt', voters show little sign of Brexit regret

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originally posted by: eletheia
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite


From the F.T


Ineos has asked the British government for financial support to help secure a new manufacturing plant in Hull that could “tilt the scales” against an alternative plan to build the facility in Belgium.

Talks between the petrochemicals company founded by billionaire businessman Sir Jim Ratcliffe and the government are taking place as businesses seek reassurance over investing in Britain.

Ineos, Britain’s largest privately owned company, is considering setting up the new £100m-plus facility either at its site at Antwerp in Belgium or at another existing site at Saltend in Hull.

“Any help would tilt the scales in favour of Hull,” said Tom Crotty, group director at Ineos.

Mr Crotty, who also chairs the CBI’s manufacturing council, added his voice to the Brexit debate when he said Ineos was concerned about the apparent absence of decision-making by government given its focus over Britain’s exit from the EU.

“[The] concern is less about Brexit and more that we have a government that can’t act because of Brexit,” he said
“This is a government that can’t take decisions on anything — not just Brexit,” he added, echoing concerns of executives at other industrial companies.

Ineos has benefited from government grants and loan guarantees in the past. The company moved its tax domicile back to the UK two years ago after quitting the country in 2010 after the then Labour government refused to postpone a VAT payment for six months.

Talks about the investment are continuing with the Department for Business, Energy and Industrial Strategy. Ineos expects to make a final decision on where to locate the facility within the next three to six months.


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Kinda sums up the inability of the TM led Government and the lack of confidence in general in it! This is why a change is needed to instill some confidence. Who is going to want to do trade with an inept and weakly led Government. BREXIT has needed stronger leadership from the beginning and because of the lack of we find ourselves in this mess.

Hopefully, Hull will be chosen, in fact i am confident it will be! The EU is in deeper trouble than they have let on. We know the Euro has all but destroyed the Italian economy! But there is a bigger mess out there! And after we leave the details will seep out!

This should be irrelevant because it is the electorate that made its wish clear not these fickle politicians.


112 seats switch to support UK staying in EU


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Conservative MPs plan to avoid their party conference 'like the plague' amid fears of a Brexit 'bloodbath'

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a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I think this has been their plan all along. They hope that we'll all change our minds after two years of non-stop MSM propaganda and berating Leave supporters.

I don't want to play out the Brexit debate again but I'm still completely baffled why anyone would want to stay apart of the European Union, especially with Mr Drunker, sorry I mean Mr Juncker, is in charge.

originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I think this has been their plan all along. They hope that we'll all change our minds after two years of non-stop MSM propaganda and berating Leave supporters.

I don't want to play out the Brexit debate again but I'm still completely baffled why anyone would want to stay apart of the European Union, especially with Mr Drunker, sorry I mean Mr Juncker, is in charge.

*Mr Drunker* good one.

I dont think leavers have changed their minds, however I think many remainers

have changed their minds when they see how the EU is using bullying tactics.


Cant even remember a time when these polls gave a near correct result ........

they didn't even predict the referendum correctly

a reply to: eletheia

I stopped believing polls years ago.
I'm happy for a second referendum to approve the terms of exit, it would put an end to remoaners whining either way.

originally posted by: eletheia

originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I think this has been their plan all along. They hope that we'll all change our minds after two years of non-stop MSM propaganda and berating Leave supporters.

I don't want to play out the Brexit debate again but I'm still completely baffled why anyone would want to stay apart of the European Union, especially with Mr Drunker, sorry I mean Mr Juncker, is in charge.

*Mr Drunker*

good one.

I dont think leavers have changed their minds, however I think many remainers

have changed their minds when they see how the EU is using bullying tactics.


Cant even remember a time when these polls gave a near correct result ........

they didn't even predict the referendum correctly

That's probably because, like most, you tend to have an echo chamber around you, that is lots of friends and family who think the same way as you do and help enforce your way of thinking.

Personally I've witnessed a few Leavers who have changed their minds, some because of May's weak leadership, who think that WTO Brexit is a train wreck in the making, some who have realised that they were lied to about what Brexit meant, others still who have done their homework and realised they were wrong and there's that one chap who went from a right wing, anti-immigrant, hard line brexiteer to left wing remainer after he started going out with one of my Czech friends.

For better or for worse Brexit is happening, if it works for us I'll happily come back here and own my mistake in thinking it wouldn't. I just can't see that happening and I'll take no please if I have to come back to say "I informed you thusly" because if that happens, Britain will be broken and I'll most likely be writing from Canada or Spain (my two backup plans if Brexit breaks Britain)...

a reply to: djz3ro
Truth is though all any of us can go by is our anecdotal experience of people we know, and whatever polls tell us.
All you have presented is your own anecdotal experience as well, so we're all in the same boat to be fair.
Even the 'is it good or bad for Britain?' thing is not a question which can be answered because pundits and 'experts' from both sides will give different forecasts.
I'm easy either way to be honest, I'll adapt to whatever happens, but ideally I'd like it to be outside of any control from the EU, even if there are some medium term challenges along the way.

originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I think this has been their plan all along. They hope that we'll all change our minds after two years of non-stop MSM propaganda and berating Leave supporters.

I don't want to play out the Brexit debate again but I'm still completely baffled why anyone would want to stay apart of the European Union, especially with Mr Drunker, sorry I mean Mr Juncker, is in charge.

Can only concur!

The remainers are attempting to mug the electorate and deprive them of their democratic wish & right. Fullstop!!!

If the traitor remainers are successful then democracy in the true sense it was meant to be will be dead in the UK.

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
a reply to: djz3ro
Truth is though all any of us can go by is our anecdotal experience of people we know, and whatever polls tell us.
All you have presented is your own anecdotal experience as well, so we're all in the same boat to be fair.

Absolutely, and it is exactly what I did. My echo chamber is slight different to most in that I know so many people I have a lot of people on both side on my friends lists)

originally posted by: CornishCeltGuy
Even the 'is it good or bad for Britain?' thing is not a question which can be answered because pundits and 'experts' from both sides will give different forecasts.
I'm easy either way to be honest, I'll adapt to whatever happens, but ideally I'd like it to be outside of any control from the EU, even if there are some medium term challenges along the way.

Medium term challenges will possibly be OK as long as they remain that and aren't dragged out.

Interesting times we're living in, in the UK that's for sure....

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I think this has been their plan all along. They hope that we'll all change our minds after two years of non-stop MSM propaganda and berating Leave supporters.

I don't want to play out the Brexit debate again but I'm still completely baffled why anyone would want to stay apart of the European Union, especially with Mr Drunker, sorry I mean Mr Juncker, is in charge.

Can only concur!

The remainers are attempting to mug the electorate and deprive them of their democratic wish & right. Fullstop!!!

If the traitor remainers are successful then democracy in the true sense it was meant to be will be dead in the UK.

I may be a remainder but its abit extreme to say I'm a traitor. Then again, to be expected....

originally posted by: djz3ro
Interesting times we're living in, in the UK that's for sure....

Heck, that is an understatement!
This is probably the biggest national issue I've seen in my life, and none of us really have a clue how it will pan out so we're all running blind with it.

The government certainly needs to strike some deal which benefits all of us or I can see the UK and Scotland parting ways as well. It really is an 'all options are possible' situation, and I just hope common sense prevails.

originally posted by: djz3ro

originally posted by: RP2SticksOfDynamite

originally posted by: 83Liberty
a reply to: RP2SticksOfDynamite
I think this has been their plan all along. They hope that we'll all change our minds after two years of non-stop MSM propaganda and berating Leave supporters.

I don't want to play out the Brexit debate again but I'm still completely baffled why anyone would want to stay apart of the European Union, especially with Mr Drunker, sorry I mean Mr Juncker, is in charge.

Can only concur!

The remainers are attempting to mug the electorate and deprive them of their democratic wish & right. Fullstop!!!

If the traitor remainers are successful then democracy in the true sense it was meant to be will be dead in the UK.

I may be a remainder but its abit extreme to say I'm a traitor. Then again, to be expected....

My apologies. My reference was not as clear as it should have been. I was referring to those remainers actively working against the peoples democratic wish!

Now we have it. A true example of the FAKEXIT plan!


May Weighs Brexit Fix that Keeps EU Rules for Longer

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